[Danny]

Just an idea I have inspired by Pro Evo - feel free to shoot me down in flames if it's dumb.

It seems to me that we may have seen the overall best days of Ronaldinho past - he can still do it, but not as often imo and sometimes seems a little lethargic.

One of the complaints about us is a grinding attack, which lacks pace and we don't get forward with enough panache.

So how about a front 3 of Pato, Ibra, and Robinho? 2 young pacey forwards who can score and attack fullbacks, and one seasoned goal-getting veteran?

Have Dinho on the bench if a defence is proving especially stubborn, but start to use him sparingly like we do with Pippo.

Good idea/bad idea?

[X-Offender]

Oh no, Fillipo won't be happy about this. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

He's living on his reputation. If somebody was putting in these performances and wasn't called Ronaldinho he'd have been gone a while ago.

[X-Offender]

He's living on his reputation. If somebody was putting in these performances and wasn't called Ronaldinho he'd have been gone a while ago.

Pretty much. I want Ronaldinho out more than anyone else. The fact we rely so much on this pseudo-footballer tells about how low we've sunk in the recent years.

[Danny]

Hm, not being flamed like I expected to be...

[William405]

This forum is anti dinho after all.

[CHU-LIP]

Just an idea I have inspired by Pro Evo

lol

This forum is anti dinho after all.

No, no...

There's always Han...

[han2503]

lol


No, no...

There's always Han...

Well I'm not pro-Dinho or anti-Dinho

I just don't like how you and X-Off just nit pick every little thing he does wrong but try to walk over the good things.

Dinho is not in good form atm, but neither is 75% of the team at this point in time. To me that shows there is something wrong with the entire system not just one player as some would try to have you beleive (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Anyway, just wanted to add that part since I was mentioned (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) . Dinho or no Dinho, I just hope Allegri gets his act together or we can kiss our entire chances of getting any silverware this season goodbye

[Fillipo Simone]

I just don't like how you and X-Off just nit pick every little thing he does wrong but try to walk over the good things.

I agree, even if you do the same to Inzaghi. Guess this happens from time to time.

[acid911]

I'm in Han's camp here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Bring me a capable substitute (and I mean really bring him here, with the official shirt wearing presentation and all), and then we can kick Ronaldinho's sweet behind goodbye. Until that, he's one of our premier squad players, his faults and shortcomings included.

No matter what we say this Ronaldinho is still the Top 10 players in the world today. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) He probably won't make the first or second World XIs directly, but if we genuinely rank players like CRON, Messi, Kaka, Sneijder and friends, Ronaldinho still makes it somewhere in the very bottom. Stats and figures don't tell the whole story, but they don't lie either. He had the numbers to show last season, and frankly this is an entirely different look to the Milan team (new faces and all), but who knows maybe he will pick it up in the coming weeks.

But as I said before, being me a like-to-like substitute, and sell R80 the very next day. I'm all for it.

[X-Offender]

No matter what we say this Ronaldinho is still the Top 10 players in the world today. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

(IMG:http://yoursmiles.org/msmile/wonder/m1830.gif)

[han2503]

I agree, even if you do the same to Inzaghi. Guess this happens from time to time.

I don't do it to Pippo, I just see where his limitations are. And wanting him to start a game is stepping over that line of limitations. I can see that the Pippo of old wuld never miss a great chance yet I've seen this Pippo fluff one from nearly half a meter away from goal.

I'm in Han's camp here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Bring me a capable substitute (and I mean really bring him here, with the official shirt wearing presentation and all), and then we can kick Ronaldinho's sweet behind goodbye. Until that, he's one of our premier squad players, his faults and shortcomings included.

No matter what we say this Ronaldinho is still the Top 10 players in the world today. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) He probably won't make the first or second World XIs directly, but if we genuinely rank players like CRON, Messi, Kaka, Sneijder and friends, Ronaldinho still makes it somewhere in the very bottom. Stats and figures don't tell the whole story, but they don't lie either. He had the numbers to show last season, and frankly this is an entirely different look to the Milan team (new faces and all), but who knows maybe he will pick it up in the coming weeks.

But as I said before, being me a like-to-like substitute, and sell R80 the very next day. I'm all for it.

I wouldn't go that far (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

But in our squad, and the position he plays, currently he's our number 1 best choice. When you get me someone better then don't even try to mention Dinho to me, but until then I'd rather have Dinho, then forsing Robs in the hole or playing Seedorf there.

However I still stand by me theory that given the right tactical setup we'll see all our players shine. That means Pato, Dinho, Pirlo and Ibra, currently all are strggling and imo that is because of the system Allegri has in place

[acid911]

Agreed on all counts, Han! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif) The players are somewhat proven, the coach is a crispy cookie in all of this, he still hasn't been able to create a winning combo in months. Sure there were some unforeseen minor injuries, but at the end of the day he is a professional and should be able to work out a contingency plan.

Up until now, I just feel he is still experimenting, and well the first week of November ends today.

[Fillipo Simone]

I don't do it to Pippo, I just see where his limitations are. And wanting him to start a game is stepping over that line of limitations. I can see that the Pippo of old wuld never miss a great chance yet I've seen this Pippo fluff one from nearly half a meter away from goal.

Haha, we will see. Last match he started he scored. But that's just one match. Let's see tomorrow, shall we?

[han2503]

Haha, we will see. Last match he started he scored. But that's just one match. Let's see tomorrow, shall we?

we'll see he missed a couple of good ones in that as well. I remember now we were losing to that miracle goal from Catania's FB and there were a couple of missed chances from Pippo that were guilt edged

[X-Offender]

we'll see he missed a couple of good ones in that as well. I remember now we were losing to that miracle goal from Catania's FB and there were a couple of missed chances from Pippo that were guilt edged

A couple? I only remember one, and that was before Catania scored. He was the one who equalized after all.

[han2503]

A couple? I only remember one, and that was before Catania scored. He was the one who equalized after all.

Yes he was the one who equilized but my point was that he needs to have a number of good chances before he hits that one goal

I haven't seen Pippo be as accurate as he was against Real on Wednesday in years.

[Fillipo Simone]

Yes he was the one who equilized but my point was that he needs to have a number of good chances before he hits that one goal

I haven't seen Pippo be as accurate as he was against Real on Wednesday in years.

Years? Really? Han, sorry, but you are just plainly biased. Pippo could score 6 goals today and you still wouldn't like the guy.

While in fact, you are completely wrong in almost everything. Let's see:

1) Pippo does not score when a starter
In fact: Last season only he started 7 matches, scored 4 goals; but it comes even worse - he scored all his goals last season as a starter, but somehow, you think he's a better sub.

2) Pippo does not score in Serie A matches
In fact: Last season he started 4 matches, and scored twice, against Napoli and Parma.

3) Pippo was not as accurate as he was against Real on Wednesday in years
In fact: a bit more of 1 year ago, Pippo scored a double against Marseille. Or against Napoli, a year and a half ago, when he scored a hattrick.


Just a little bonus:
Season 08/09 - Pippo started 15 times and scored 10 goals.

Please, find another excuse now...

[X-Offender]

Well, it looks like Allegri has decided to give Pato another chance, so Inzaghi should start from the bench.

Source

[William405]

We all knew Inzaghi won't be starting the match.He knows his role in the team,I think that could be good for us.

[han2503]

Years? Really? Han, sorry, but you are just plainly biased. Pippo could score 6 goals today and you still wouldn't like the guy.

While in fact, you are completely wrong in almost everything. Let's see:

1) Pippo does not score when a starter
In fact: Last season only he started 7 matches, scored 4 goals; but it comes even worse - he scored all his goals last season as a starter, but somehow, you think he's a better sub.

2) Pippo does not score in Serie A matches
In fact: Last season he started 4 matches, and scored twice, against Napoli and Parma.

3) Pippo was not as accurate as he was against Real on Wednesday in years
In fact: a bit more of 1 year ago, Pippo scored a double against Marseille. Or against Napoli, a year and a half ago, when he scored a hattrick.

Just a little bonus:
Season 08/09 - Pippo started 15 times and scored 10 goals.

Please, find another excuse now...

I said he's a better sub, starting Pippo and making him play 90 minutes is not something that we should do. It's just my oppinion, where did I say that I don't like the guy? If he were in front of me on Wed I would have kissed him.

And yes he scored in those previous games but do you have the replays of them so we can count how many clear cut chances he had before scoring his goals? Or we could just review the match threads for those games and see how many times people swore at Pippo missing a great chance...

Anyway, it doesn't really matter, Allegri seems to think the same thing, so does Galliani and Pippo himself has hinted that he can't play regularly anymore

[Fillipo Simone]

Hahaha, you, Allegri and Galliani. I'm not sure that's great company (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Anyway, you proven to know that the facts I pointed out are just the beginning of wisdom, not the end.
It's really up to the coach to decide. Sure, starting a 20+ boy makes more sense then an old dog like Pippo, but I just wanted to see Pippo start against Bari. I think the Bari defense today would have had trouble with Inzaghi, and I'm also sure he would not have missed the things Robinho missed. I really dislike those "ifs" and "alternate endings" but I'm positive the score line would have been different.

[han2503]

Hahaha, you, Allegri and Galliani. I'm not sure that's great company (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Anyway, you proven to know that the facts I pointed out are just the beginning of wisdom, not the end.
It's really up to the coach to decide. Sure, starting a 20+ boy makes more sense then an old dog like Pippo, but I just wanted to see Pippo start against Bari. I think the Bari defense today would have had trouble with Inzaghi, and I'm also sure he would not have missed the things Robinho missed. I really dislike those "ifs" and "alternate endings" but I'm positive the score line would have been different.

Well I agree there, but hindsight is 20/20. I wouldn't hgave guessed that Bari would have been that terrible in defense. The spaces they left us were just ridiculous and I'm positive that had we went out with out strongest 11 instead of that ridiculous midfield and Robinho we would have scored 5 and kept the clean sheet

[X-Offender]

Yeah, let's not forget that today we started without Thiago, Pirlo, Boateng and Pato, and still managed to dominate the game. So it's a good sign overall, although Bari were quite crap themselves.

[han2503]

Yeah, let's not forget that today we started without Thiago, Pirlo, Boateng and Pato, and still managed to dominate the game. So it's a good sign overall, although Bari were quite crap themselves.

Well I wouldn't say we dominated the game, Bari had better possession at one point as well. But had we played someone that could actually pass the ball in the mid we wouldn't have had any problems

[Fillipo Simone]

Naah, I really think we deserved to win and also dominated. Bari may have had possesion, but they were quite static and now real effort came. The second goal was a masterpiece, the first a gift.

[CHU-LIP]

We dominated the game (ruined a lot of good goalscoring oppurtinities), but keep in mind Bari was terrible, seriously lol at their defending today.

[han2503]

We dominated the game (ruined a lot of good goalscoring oppurtinities), but keep in mind Bari was terrible, seriously lol at their defending today.

We dominated because of that exactly, but in terms of possession Bari had the upper hand. To me dominating means keeping possession as well as creating chances

[Bluesummers]

Yeah I think its time he leaves. But regardless of what we want, he'll be gone undoubtedly this summer. Robinho was signed as his replacement.

[han2503]

Yeah I think its time he leaves. But regardless of what we want, he'll be gone undoubtedly this summer. Robinho was signed as his replacement.

Well we'll need an AM regardless of what Robinho was signed for.

[Fillipo Simone]

Indeed. Maybe someone had a bad idea he'd be our next AM, but I think up till now everyone who has eyes realizes this won't happen. Anyway, Cassano is free, sounds like a perfect Milan job.

[Jack Sparrow]

Not sure...but does Cassano track back all that much. And the thought of Ibra and Cassano is a bit scary. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)



--------Cassano--------
----Pippo---------Ibra--

....could work. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Fillipo Simone]

It is indeed. But we're running out of options. We simply need another 2000-2002 period. Then we signed Inzaghi, Seedorf, Pirlo, Nesta and Rui Costa, all from top italian clubs. Most of them even now present a backbone to our squad. Nowdays, I even fear to think we sign fo example Pastore, Chiellini or Hernanes.

[X-Offender]

No to Cassano, he's another Ronaldinho. We need a full and proper trequartista, one who's willing to backtrack and play the ball. If people like Ganso and Pastore are unattainable, we could always look for cheaper options.

[Fillipo Simone]

Such as?

Cassano is a short-term fix, we need IMO. I'm as against it as all of you, but considering we're stuck with either Dinho, Zee or Missinho, Cassano looks like a upgrade. Afterwards, we can even sell.

[CHU-LIP]

I agree we should look to long term solutions, but since AM needs desperality to be fixed short term I am okay w/ Cassano since he's coming for free.

[X-Offender]

Such as?

LOL, can't think of anyone at the moment. Hleb, maybe? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Cassano is a short-term fix, we need IMO. I'm as against it as all of you, but considering we're stuck with either Dinho, Zee or Missinho, Cassano looks like a upgrade. Afterwards, we can even sell.

The thing I'm afraid of is that if we sign Cassano, our management won't look for a long-term solution after Dinho leaves. Galliani will probably say "we have Cassano" or something like that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) It's a risky gamble which I'm not willing to take.

[han2503]

Cassano to me is not an AM, someone who can provide constant supply to the front 2. That's what an AM should do. Cassano is a SS, yes he's creative, but so is Ibra, that doesn't make them AMs or anything of the sort.

Plus Ibra, him and Robinho... Can you imagine the headaches?

The man is sheer quality, but can't get his act together for more then a couple of months. After Dinho is gone, the management need to seriously look into replacing him with a top quality, proper AM, atm the only 2 that pop to mind are Pastore and Ganso. VDV just switched teams and he's doing really well at Tottenham, if they don't make the CL then I can see him trying to push for a move though, so not all is lost. Then there's Henanes, but he's not really an AM, he's more box-to-box. Anything else is just not good enough imo.

[Fillipo Simone]

Oh, c'mmon, there's a big difference between Cassano and Ibra.

But yes, we need a proper AM. I don't see VDV move, he only got there and he sure wants to consolidate first. Hotspur is planning on him. Hernanes? Depends on Lazio's outcome. But I don't see that happen before 2012.

[X-Offender]

Forget VDV, him and Ibra have a history and I don't think they'd like to play together. It's true though, there aren't many decent options available out there. Honda and Lazzari come to mind, but not sure if they're Milan quality.

[CHU-LIP]

I am not sure about Lazzari being the AM solution, but Honda is a proper AM for sure. It's not like he has to be as good as Sneijder or Özil, right? Honda will do the AM job better than Seedorf, and will make us team better just like it was when we played Seedorf as AM. Honda really can show good things IMO.

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Nov 8 2010, 07:07 PM

[han2503]

Forget VDV, him and Ibra have a history and I don't think they'd like to play together. It's true though, there aren't many decent options available out there. Honda and Lazzari come to mind, but not sure if they're Milan quality.

Both are mid level quality at best.

At this point I'd rather we really try hard to make Pirlo the regular in that position, the only good options will be very expensive, while others are either impossible to get or just not good enough

[CHU-LIP]

Both are mid level quality at best.

At this point I'd rather we really try hard to make Pirlo the regular in that position, the only good options will be very expensive, while others are either impossible to get or just not good enough

I agree that we need to make Pirlo our AMC, we have 4 good midfielders left for the 3 other spots.

But Honda is no way mid level quality at best. He is capable of being better than that, ''at best'' is just false, Honda is mid level quality at worst IMO.

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Nov 8 2010, 08:01 PM

[han2503]

I agree that we need to make Pirlo our AMC, we have 4 good midfielders left for the 3 other spots.

But Honda is no way mid level quality at best. He is capable of being better than that, ''at best'' is just false, Honda is mid level quality at worst IMO.

Honda is another Nakamura imo. Overly hyped by a World Cup, now look at where he's playing...

If Honda made the jump to a big team he woudn't last more then a season, and sure I'd take him as a rotation player, but no way as a 1st team starter

[vnata001]

when Leo first took over, he had drawn up a few players who could "replace Kaka". One of them was Moscow attacking midfielder Alex. I watched Moscow vs. Chelsea the other day, and Alex is a fantastic player.

To be honest, compared to what we have currently, there are quite a few attacking midfielders around that would improve our team.

Affellay, Alex (Moscow), Candreva, Arda Turan, Diego Souza (Athletico Mineiro), Fernandinho and Douglas Costa (Shaktar), Giuliano (Internacional). Just to name a few of the top of my head that I've seen play.

At this point all we need is someone with legs, who can take up decent positions and play balls forward. Right now, our attacking midfield options don't even possess those qualities...These are all examples of talented players who could do that for us.

This post has been edited by vnata001: Nov 8 2010, 09:45 PM

[han2503]

when Leo first took over, he had drawn up a few players who could "replace Kaka". One of them was Moscow attacking midfielder Alex. I watched Moscow vs. Chelsea the other day, and Alex is a fantastic player.

To be honest, compared to what we have currently, there are quite a few attacking midfielders around that would improve our team.

Affellay, Alex (Moscow), Candreva, Arda Turan, Diego Souza (Athletico Mineiro), Fernandinho and Douglas Costa (Shaktar). Just to name a few of the top of my head.

At this point all we need is someone with legs, who can take up decent positions and play balls forward. Right now, our attacking midfield options don't even possess those qualities...These are all examples of talented players who could do that for us.

Well if it's just someone mediocre running around like a headless chicken then I'd rather stick with what we currently have (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

We need quality, not just push someone in there that can run, if that were the case just let Abate have at it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[CHU-LIP]

Honda is another Nakamura imo. Overly hyped by a World Cup, now look at where he's playing...

If Honda made the jump to a big team he woudn't last more then a season, and sure I'd take him as a rotation player, but no way as a 1st team starter

What a BS argument!!!

And being (overly) hyped during a World Cup is a good thing rather than a bad thing, it showed he can play good, and of course there are examples that the player is a 1 tournament player but not Honda. He plays good over and over again. You simply think he sucks because he plays for a club that is out of your world. Just say nothing then. He has got quality, how can you not see it? Oh I know, by not watching.

[vnata001]

Well if it's just someone mediocre running around like a headless chicken then I'd rather stick with what we currently have (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

We need quality, not just push someone in there that can run, if that were the case just let Abate have at it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Giuliano, Fernandinho, Douglas Costa and Diego Souza are all players on the cusp of the Brazilian NT. Fernandinho is a fantastic player who lead Shaktar to the UEFA Cup trophy recently. Giuliano and Douglas Costa have just started receiving caps under Menezes, and are only 20. Diego Souza is the best player in the Brazilian domestic league. Affellay's budding talents have been known to most fans of European football for a while. Candreva is probably the least heralded, but is still a young, talented Italian. Alex is a fine player as well.

All of these players would play the attacking midfielder position better than Seedorf and Dinho. I suppose if somebody had mentioned the name Arshavin to you, prior to 2008, you would have written him off too - citing how Zenit is a sh!te team. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) It IS possible that you aren't familiar with good players in smaller leagues.

Abate doesn't hold a candle against all of the aforementioned players. Just because you don't know who they are doesn't give you any grounds to call them headless chickens.

This post has been edited by vnata001: Nov 8 2010, 09:56 PM

[CHU-LIP]

Honda is better than Afellay. Both would help the team a lot though.

[Fillipo Simone]

Btw. what happened with Di Gennaro? Is he still our player?

[CHU-LIP]

Btw. what happened with Di Gennaro? Is he still our player?

He is loaned out. I wouldn't expect him soluting anything in our team.

[vnata001]

Btw. what happened with Di Gennaro? Is he still our player?

he went on co-own to reggina i believe, and after that I've lost track of him. He really didn't look too good of a player.

[han2503]

What a BS argument!!!

And being (overly) hyped during a World Cup is a good thing rather than a bad thing, it showed he can play good, and of course there are examples that the player is a 1 tournament player but not Honda. He plays good over and over again. You simply think he sucks because he plays for a club that is out of your world. Just say nothing then. He has got quality, how can you not see it? Oh I know, by not watching.

He plays in the RUSSIAN League!! It's not out of my World, but generally speaking very few players have the quality to make it out of the league and stay out of it. You just like the guy so you want him at Milan, but he's not the answer to our problems. We need a top quality player.

[vnata001]

He plays in the RUSSIAN League!! It's not out of my World, but generally speaking very few players have the quality to make it out of the league and stay out of it. You just like the guy so you want him at Milan, but he's not the answer to our problems. We need a top quality player.

yea arshavin sucks a lot. so does Krasic. who could possibly be any good in the russian league.

[CHU-LIP]

He plays in the RUSSIAN League!! It's not out of my World, but generally speaking very few players have the quality to make it out of the league and stay out of it. You just like the guy so you want him at Milan, but he's not the answer to our problems. We need a top quality player.

Russian league is pretty good, actually. And he will be one of those 'few' players...

Top quality, okay... who all are better options who we still can sign? Because there are better options, just not many.

yea arshavin sucks a lot. so does Krasic. who could possibly be any good in the russian league.

THANK YOU!

Honda is not really worse than Krasic, nor vice versa.

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Nov 8 2010, 10:02 PM

[X-Offender]

Vagner Love!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[han2503]

Giuliano, Fernandinho, Douglas Costa and Diego Souza are all players on the cusp of the Brazilian NT. Fernandinho is a fantastic player who lead Shaktar to the UEFA Cup trophy recently. Giuliano and Douglas Costa have just started receiving caps under Menezes, and are only 20. Diego Souza is the best player in the Brazilian domestic league. Affellay's budding talents have been known to most fans of European football for a while. Candreva is probably the least heralded, but is still a young, talented Italian. Alex is a fine player as well.

All of these players would play the attacking midfielder position better than Seedorf and Dinho. I suppose if somebody had mentioned the name Arshavin to you, prior to 2008, you would have written him off too - citing how Zenit is a sh!te team. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) It IS possible that you aren't familiar with good players in smaller leagues.

Abate doesn't hold a candle against all of the aforementioned players. Just because you don't know who they are doesn't give you any grounds to call them headless chickens.

I wasn't talking about the list you mentioned, I was talking in general. All those names can still come to Milan and flop big time. Also Arshavin had proven his worth prior to joining Arsenal on more then one occasion, you can't say the same for most of those players on that list.

Affellay and Diego Souza would be the only 2 that I would really look into

[Fillipo Simone]

yea arshavin sucks a lot. so does Krasic. who could possibly be any good in the russian league.

Well, that's a few. He said a few of them are quality. There aren't so many examples left.

[CHU-LIP]

I wasn;t talking about the list you mentioned, I was talking in general. All those names can still come to Milan and flop big time. Also Arshaving had proven his worth prior to joining Arsenal on more then one occasion, you can't say the same for most of those players on that list.

Affellay and Diego Souza would be the only 2 that I would really look into

Haha, you don't want Honda, but you want Afellay? Afellay isn't better than Honda. Good player, but not better than Honda. PLEASE!

[han2503]

Honda is better than Afellay. Both would help the team a lot though.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) You're joking right? Please tell me you are (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

yea arshavin sucks a lot. so does Krasic. who could possibly be any good in the russian league.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I said only a few not all. Read my post properly befor commenting (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Russian league is pretty good, actually. And he will be one of those 'few' players...

Top quality, okay... who all are better options who we still can sign? Because there are better options, just not many.
THANK YOU!
Honda is not really worse than Krasic, nor vice versa.

Can't believe you're actually saying this. He's better then Krasic, Affelay, etc. Then why isn't he playing at a top team now and a regular at that?

Also the list of players vnata posted above are all better option then Honda, even though there are some questionable picks... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)

[CHU-LIP]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) You're joking right? Please tell me you are (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I hoped you did.

And I did not call Honda better than Krasic.

[han2503]

Haha, you don't want Honda, but you want Afellay? Afellay isn't better than Honda. Good player, but not better than Honda. PLEASE!

No I don't want Honda if he's going to be a direct replacement. Obviously not. Like I said to you above, Honda better then Affelay? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[han2503]

I hoped you did.

And I did not call Honda better than Krasic.

Honda is not really worse than Krasic, nor vice versa.

Well you didn't say that no but you're saying they're of equal quality, which to me is just plain false. I would love to hear what the Juve fans would think hearing you say this...

[vnata001]

Well, that's a few. He said a few of them are quality. There aren't so many examples left.

rolleyes.gif I sidonly a few not all. Read my post properly befor commenting wink.gif

No Duh. Obviously there are only a FEW. I mean, there are only a FEW incredibly talented players in the world. Some of them play in smaller leagues, Russian/Ukrainian league included. It's not like we are talking about completely unknown players. We are talking about the stand out players in Russia's top teams: Spartak/CSKA Moscow. We are not talking about random somebody on random small team from Siberia! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Another player I would add to the list would be Alan Dzagoev from CSKA Moscow.

And sure, these players could come to Milan and flop. Wouldn't you say the way Seedorf and Dinho are playing recently, that would qualify as "flopping" as well? We're talking about alternatives who would probably show marked improvement than what we've seen out of our attacking midfield position...Dinho and Seedorf are no better than ANY of the names we've given. It may be tough for some to take this, but both of these players are no longer in the top 10 players in their positions, and will only continue to fall further down the ranks as they get older...

This post has been edited by vnata001: Nov 8 2010, 10:20 PM

[CHU-LIP]

No I don't want Honda if he's going to be a direct replacement. Obviously not. Like I said to you above, Honda better then Affelay? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

But this makes your previous posts even more doll..

'' Look at where Honda plays '', lol , like the Dutch league is (much) better than the Russian league ?

'' I want a top quality player '' so Afellay actually is that ?

And yes, I think Honda and Krasic are not that far away from each other, main difference are their positions they prefer and also different qualities, but both are quality. Krasic is rocking w/ Juve, so I don't see how Honda cannot, maybe he won't rock as hard as Krasic, but surely he would be a good AM, one we need. Both Krasic and Honda are better than Afellay, but Afellay is not really much worse though. I would (have) welcome(d) any of them very much.

[han2503]

No Duh. Obviously there are only a FEW. I mean, there are only a FEW incredibly talented players in the world. Some of them play in smaller leagues, Russian/Ukrainian league included. It's not like we are talking about completely unknown players. We are talking about the stand out players in Russia's top teams: Spartak/CSKA Moscow. We are not talking about random somebody on random small team from Siberia! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Another player I would add to the list would be Alan Dzagoev from CSKA Moscow.

And sure, these players could come to Milan and flop. Wouldn't you say the way Seedorf and Dinho are playing recently, that would qualify as "flopping" as well? We're talking about alternatives who would probably show marked improvement than what we've seen out of our attacking midfield position...Dinho and Seedorf are no better than ANY of the names we've given. It may be tough for some to take this, but both of these players are no longer in the top 10 players in their positions, and will only continue to fall further down the ranks as they get older...

Isn't the point of this discussion exactly that? Seedorf and Dinho absolutely need to be replaced, but it can't just be anyone. Only a top quality AM will take us to the next level

Also talking about a few players, I meant a few that are actually good enough to play in the top leagues. You switched it around to a Few incredibly talented players. Big diffference.

But this makes your previous posts even more doll..

'' Look at where Honda plays '', lol , like the Dutch league is (much) better than the Russian league ?

'' I want a top quality player '' so Afellay actually is that ?

And yes, I think Honda and Krasic are not that far away from each other, main difference are their positions they prefer and also different qualities, but both are quality. Krasic is rocking w/ Juve, so I don't see how Honda cannot, maybe he won't rock as hard as Krasic, but surely he would be a good AM, one we need. Both Krasic and Honda are better than Afellay, but Afellay is not really much worse though. I would (have) welcome(d) any of them very much.

The Dutch league is far better then the Russian league. They might not have star studded team, but I would bet my money on a Dutch team doing better then a Russion one any day of the week, simply because they have better quality.

Lol just because you think Affellay isn't top quality does not make him mediocre, just like you thinking Honda is some superstar in the making, it still does not make him anything special.

Bottom line, if we were to sign Honda as a direct replacement for the AM position I would be disappointed, and I'm sure the majority of Milan fans would feel the same

[CHU-LIP]

The Dutch league is far better then the Russian league. They might not have star studded team, but I would bet my money on a Dutch team doing better then a Russion one any day of the week, simply because they have better quality.

Lol just because you think Affellay isn't top quality does not make him mediocre, just like you thinking Honda is some superstar in the making, it still does not make him anything special.

Bottom line, if we were to sign Honda as a direct replacement for the AM position I would be disappointed, and I'm sure the majority of Milan fans would feel the same

The Dutch league is far better than the Russian league? Really? Then you haven't watched those teams who never play in the European cups...

I never said Afellay is mediocore, and I never said Honda is a superstar in the making.

If signing Honda makes you disappointed, while Afellay makes you happy. Then I can't help you.

[han2503]

The Dutch league is far better than the Russian league? Really? Then you haven't watched those teams who never play in the European cups...

I never said Afellay is mediocore, and I never said Honda is a superstar in the making.

If signing Honda makes you disappointed, while Afellay makes you happy. Then I can't help you.

The Dutch league hasn't done as well as it should, but it has a lot more quality then the Russion league, no question about it. Just because teams in Europe have been disappointing, doesn't mean anything

You think he's average at best, and are trying to convince me that Honda is just as good as Krasic (who imo IS actually a star in the making) and better then Affelay

I didn't say Affelay makes me happy, but it would certainly make me happier then singing Honda would...

[vnata001]

Also talking about a few players, I meant a few that are actually good enough to play in the top leagues. You switched it around to a Few incredibly talented players. Big diffference.

Jeez. really? ok well take the word 'incredibly' out of it then. Funny. to me, in order to play in the world's top leagues & especially at those leagues' top teams, speaking in relative terms, you must be incredibly talented. is that so controversial?

Giuliano has been linked with Barca and Inter, Douglas Costa to Man U, Diego Souza to Liverpool, Alex to us. Arda Turan, Affellay to all of Europe's elite. I guess we weren't talking about elite talents. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Isn't the point of this discussion exactly that? Seedorf and Dinho absolutely need to be replaced, but it can't just be anyone. Only a top quality AM will take us to the next level

Yes it is. As already discussed, we are excluding the names Hernanes, Pastore, and Ganso from this list, as we know that for the time being (and potentially ever), they are out of our reach. All of these names would take us to the next level, the level above Seedorf and Dinho.

This post has been edited by vnata001: Nov 8 2010, 10:40 PM

[CHU-LIP]

The Dutch league hasn't done as well as it should, but it has a lot more quality then the Russion league, no question about it. Just because teams in Europe have been disappointing, doesn't mean anything

You think he's average at best, and are trying to convince me that Honda is just as good as Krasic (who imo IS actually a star in the making) and better then Affelay

I didn't say Affelay makes me happy, but it would certainly make me happier then singing Honda would...

I said who NEVER play in Europe. I was talking about the crappy teams in the Dutch league! The Dutch league is terrible. Plenty of players can score a zillion times there while failing at a better league. This won't happen with Afellay, unless he goes to Barça or so. But come on, do not overrate the Dutch league, lol...

I am not sure Honda is as good as Krasic, time will tell, but he cannot be/do much worse really, IMO. But I have better hopes for Honda than for Afellay, yes. But there probably is little difference between them all. Any of them would be awesome.

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Nov 10 2010, 12:43 PM

[acid911]

All of these names would take us to the next level, the level above Seedorf and Dinho.

And that, my fine friend, is the reason why we probably will never sign them! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Pastore I can understand, but seriously Hernanes and Ganso were/are within reach.

[Bluesummers]

Well we'll need an AM regardless of what Robinho was signed for.

ronaldinho was never signed to be AM.


Ronaldinho was signed by silvio to play in the position he played for barcelona, which is LF/SS.



Robinho now has replaced him in that position.


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and to those who don't think Honda is milan quality (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


When we sign him and i'm quite sure we will in the future; you'll eat your words. He's a brilliant player who unforuanetly due to his non-eu status and high price tag is stuck in the russian league. If CSKA would let him go for 10m-15m; he would be playing for Man U or arsenal like arshavin.


but no one is going to pay 20m, which is what cska is going to ask for him.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Nov 9 2010, 03:17 AM

[Ry4n]

on FM11 i have no idea where to play Robinho as a Deeplying striker as Advanced he can't seem to fit into a 4-3-1-2 .....on FM11 anyway lol

[Bluesummers]

on FM11 i have no idea where to play Robinho as a Deeplying striker as Advanced he can't seem to fit into a 4-3-1-2 .....on FM11 anyway lol

lmfao post of the day hahahahhahahahahhaha


I play 4-1-3-2 and I use him as a st

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Nov 9 2010, 06:32 AM

[Ry4n]

lmfao post of the day hahahahhahahahahhaha


I play 4-1-3-2 and I use him as a st

looool nice but what kind of striker....theres so many different types and support or attack

[Jack Bauer]

on FM11 i have no idea where to play Robinho as a Deeplying striker as Advanced he can't seem to fit into a 4-3-1-2 .....on FM11 anyway lol

You can use Robinho as Left Inside Forward, Pato as Right Inside Forward and Ibra as Target Man. Works for me.

---------------Ibra
Robinho------------------------Pato

--------ambro - pirlo - flamini


BTW is it only in my game that Milan have zero tranfer budget?

[han2503]

and to those who don't think Honda is milan quality (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

When we sign him and i'm quite sure we will in the future; you'll eat your words. He's a brilliant player who unforuanetly due to his non-eu status and high price tag is stuck in the russian league. If CSKA would let him go for 10m-15m; he would be playing for Man U or arsenal like arshavin.

but no one is going to pay 20m, which is what cska is going to ask for him.

The only reason we'd ever sign Honda, same goes for Man U and Barca is to tap into the Asian market. And let's not compare him to Arshavin and the likes, I've already seen some ridiculous comparisons to the guy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Also no one is willing to pay 20m for him because he's not worth that much, simple. Second of all we still have a non-EU slot open. Robinho has a Spanish passport (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Ry4n]

You can use Robinho as Left Inside Forward, Pato as Right Inside Forward and Ibra as Target Man. Works for me.

---------------Ibra
Robinho------------------------Pato

--------ambro - pirlo - flamini


BTW is it only in my game that Milan have zero tranfer budget?

ah nice im playing 4-3-2-1 carlo's formation with Robinho as inside forward aswell as Pato so the same as ure tactic i guess. At the begining of the season nah we don't have the cash but i went for title challege so i got 17mill out of it try that

[CHU-LIP]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif) How can anyone not like:

Pato, Zlatan
Honda
***, Pirlo, ***

*** = pick your favourites of Gattuso, Ambrosini, Flamini and Boateng
Seedorf backing up Honda, Robinho and Inzaghi backing up Pato and Zlatan

[han2503]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif) How can anyone not like:

Pato, Zlatan
Honda
***, Pirlo, ***

*** = pick your favourites of Gattuso, Ambrosini, Flamini and Boateng
Seedorf backing up Honda, Robinho and Inzaghi backing up Pato and Zlatan

Are you kidding me?? You mean how can I not hate that??

Honda is in no way good enough to be a regular starter for us.

Can'you see that massive drop in quality between Pirlo and Ibra--Pato? Ridiculous. I'd only be happy with Honda if he came in to take Seedorf's place as a rotation player, not as our marque signing in the AM position

[CHU-LIP]

I actually was being serious.

[X-Offender]

han, now you're going a bit overboard. I'm also doubtful of his capacities and if he's worthy of being our starting AM, but you're making him to be a complete garbage player. The guy is pretty good, and could very well make it into the big scene. Don't forget, Arsenal signed Arshavin when he was 28 years old, simply because of 2-3 amazing games with Russia in Euro 2008. Most of us had not even heard of him before then.

[han2503]

han, now you're going a bit overboard. I'm also doubtful of his capacities and if he's worthy of being our starting AM, but you're making him to be a complete garbage player. The guy is pretty good, and could very well make it into the big scene. Don't forget, Arsenal signed Arshavin when he was 28 years old, simply because of 2-3 amazing games with Russia in Euro 2008. Most of us had not even heard of him before then.

That means he's a late bloomer, and it wasn't just the Russia games, he took Zenit to the UEFA Cup. Arshavin has that certain quality, I watch Honda and he doesn't.

I'm not saying he's garbage, I'm just saying that he's not good enough to be our top signing for next summer. I'd happily take him as a squad player, but certainly not as a regular. Plus let's not forget, if, Honda were to come, we all know the reason behind it by our club (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

The same reason they brought in Becks, Dinho, R9, etc

[CHU-LIP]

That means he's a late bloomer, and it wasn't just the Russia games, he took Zenit to the UEFA Cup. Arshavin has that certain quality, I watch Honda and he doesn't.

I'm not saying he's garbage, I'm just saying that he's not good enough to be our top signing for next summer. I'd happily take him as a squad player, but certainly not as a regular. Plus let's not forget, if, Honda were to come, we all know the reason behind it by our club (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

The same reason they brought in Becks, Dinho, R9, etc

You keep mentioning that silly reason. Does reasons why to sign someone has to do with anythig about how good a player is? Honda is a very good player and the reason why signing him doesn't change that one bit. Honda is an awesome player and I wish we sign him whatever the reason is. I know another good reason! He would be miles better for our team than Ronaldinho.

Honda is a rising attacking midfielder, and I hope he will shine in red and black.

[Jack Sparrow]

So football italia is running a story quoting GDZ as saying R80 has agreed terms with LA Galaxy. From the sound of it, I got the feeling it was a failsafe in case the new contract discussions fall through.

[X-Offender]

So football italia is running a story quoting GDZ as saying R80 has agreed terms with LA Galaxy. From the sound of it, I got the feeling it was a failsafe in case the new contract discussions fall through.

Of course they will fail through. You seriously think our board is dumb enough to give another €8 million contract to someone like Ronaldinho? The most they'll offer is €4 million per season, whilst Galaxy offer €7 million per season plus bonuses, and knowing Ronaldinho, he'll most probably accept the Galaxy offer.

[Jack Sparrow]

I don't know. Maybe..maybe not. He's a Brazilian who no speaka da English. He doesn't have Hollywood friends in LA either like Becks. He'll be much happier in Italy or Brazil I guess.

In any case, you're exaggerating again. Assuming he's got 3-4 years of top football left in him ( I mean top league, not necessarily top club)...would it really make a difference to him to sell out for the 2-3 million extra he's gonna get? That adds up to about 10-12 million tops.

Really? For Ronaldinho?? 12 million making a difference?? When he's 34 maybe. When he's 30? No...

[CHU-LIP]

Assuming he's got 3-4 years of top football left in him

lol

[Jack Sparrow]

Hey ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I have put a statement in parantheses regarding that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[han2503]

You keep mentioning that silly reason. Does reasons why to sign someone has to do with anythig about how good a player is? Honda is a very good player and the reason why signing him doesn't change that one bit. Honda is an awesome player and I wish we sign him whatever the reason is. I know another good reason! He would be miles better for our team than Ronaldinho.
Honda is a rising attacking midfielder, and I hope he will shine in red and black.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Ronaldinho and Seedorf at 50 would both have far more technique, vision and creativity then this guy.

Also my "silly" reason as you call it is not silly at all. Honda would be gold in terms of profit through the Asian market. And that's why Milan would ever really look into buying a player like Honda.

[Rossoneri7]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Ronaldinho and Seedorf at 50 would both have far more technique, vision and creativity then this guy.

Also my "silly" reason as you call it is not silly at all. Honda would be gold in terms of profit through the Asian market. And that's why Milan would ever really look into buying a player like Honda.

I dont like Honda

[X-Offender]

I dont like Honda

Thank you for the profound insight on the subject. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[CHU-LIP]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Ronaldinho and Seedorf at 50 would both have far more technique, vision and creativity then this guy.

Also my "silly" reason as you call it is not silly at all. Honda would be gold in terms of profit through the Asian market. And that's why Milan would ever really look into buying a player like Honda.

I dont like Honda

You bunch of haters. Think of Milan, this Milan is at best w/4-3-1-2 and w/Honda as AM than w/Ronaldinho as AM.

I am NOT saying Honda is a better player than Ronaldinho, just saying Honda would be a better player for Milan.

[Jack Bauer]

Han, have you actually watched Honda play besides in the WC? The guy is very talented, only 24 (two years younger than Krasic who came from the same team) and still progressing. With more quality players around him, like he will meet over here, he'll show even more.

[CHU-LIP]

Han, have you actually watched Honda play besides in the WC? The guy is very talented, only 24 (two years younger than Krasic who came from the same team) and still progressing. With more quality players around him, like he will meet over here, he'll show even more.

+1 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)

Seriously, han. We're not talking about some 29 year old dude... we are talking about Keisuke Honda (IMG:style_emoticons/default/96.gif)

[han2503]

Han, have you actually watched Honda play besides in the WC? The guy is very talented, only 24 (two years younger than Krasic who came from the same team) and still progressing. With more quality players around him, like he will meet over here, he'll show even more.

I've watched enough... And was seriously unimpressed.

[milanbuf88]

I've watched enough... And was seriously unimpressed.

I don't understand why you are so against this move. It makes perfect sense both tactically and financially. He is very flexible tactically, good stamina, has some skill, has shown he can put in some pretty decent performances on a high pressure world stage, still young and capable of further development. Financially it makes sense because, as you said, it opens us up to the Asian market. Not something to scoff at. I would guess that just his presence on the team as even a productive rotation player would be profitable enough to get close to drawing even. This is perhaps a bit optimistic but he is 24 and you never know exactly how a player will respond until thrown into the fire but just think what the reaction would be if he turns out even better (a solid starter or better on a successful Milan team). There are only a couple of big time Asian players on big teams in Europe so the recognition would be huge. That would mean big money and exposure for the team brand.

If we are debating Honda vs Dinho to me it is a no brainer. Dinho just isnt the player he once was. Yes, he is capable of producing a moment of brilliance but he needs to be the focus of a the attack for it to work. I think it has become clear that he just doesn't fit into this squad tactically and we cant afford to change our game to suite him. besides this, he is incredibly expensive wage wise. Honda would probably make half as much if that. In summation (Honda:flexible and cheap)> (Dinho:expensive and bad fit).

Sorry for the long post (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[vnata001]

I don't understand why you are so against this move. It makes perfect sense both tactically and financially. He is very flexible tactically, good stamina, has some skill, has shown he can put in some pretty decent performances on a high pressure world stage, still young and capable of further development. Financially it makes sense because, as you said, it opens us up to the Asian market. Not something to scoff at. I would guess that just his presence on the team as even a productive rotation player would be profitable enough to get close to drawing even. This is perhaps a bit optimistic but he is 24 and you never know exactly how a player will respond until thrown into the fire but just think what the reaction would be if he turns out even better (a solid starter or better on a successful Milan team). There are only a couple of big time Asian players on big teams in Europe so the recognition would be huge. That would mean big money and exposure for the team brand.

If we are debating Honda vs Dinho to me it is a no brainer. Dinho just isnt the player he once was. Yes, he is capable of producing a moment of brilliance but he needs to be the focus of a the attack for it to work. I think it has become clear that he just doesn't fit into this squad tactically and we cant afford to change our game to suite him. besides this, he is incredibly expensive wage wise. Honda would probably make half as much if that. In summation (Honda:flexible and cheap)> (Dinho:expensive and bad fit).

Sorry for the long post (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

fair points. and, you're fine haha. trust me, this is not that long of a post.

[acid911]

trust me, this is not that long of a post.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Jack Sparrow]

Yeah. Ha. That's about a standard post. And there wasn't even a rant. And he spoke gramatically correct English. And logic. And he didn't disrespect a player.
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif) Where do we get these politically correct new members from anyway???

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I'd definitely take Honda. I like the fact that he's very versatile in mid-field. I've seen him play holding, creative, SS and even the Totti position in Japan's 4-6-0 formation.

And he could be exactly what the doctor ordered. We have too many kings of one trade anyway.

Question is, how tactically astute is he? Will he settle in Italy? Will he accept being benched from time to time?

Sung Ji Park is an excellent player for Man Utd. But not in a 100 years is he the star that he is for the Korean NT. Can Honda live with that risk?