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Apr 6 2008, 11:50 AM
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Our defence will probably prove to be the reason why we won't take full points from this one. Especially since we barely even have one left...
It will probably look something like this
Cafu--Simic--Maldini--Banera
Cafu was hardly impressive yesterday but he is the only choice unless Carlo is will to play Brocchi there, which imo would be better then Cafu, he is fast, can cross and marginally good defensively. Atleast I would be more at rest with him there instead of the Cafu we saw yesterday
I would really like to see Bonera in the center again, but at the moment we have no choice, Maldini would be better suited playing next to Simic since Bonera and Simic are too much alike and have never really impressed when playing together.
And I don't think Maldini can handle a full game against Juve playing as a LB, especially since he will most likely have to play a full 90 minutes since we have no other subs for the defence
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Apr 6 2008, 02:26 PM
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No, Nesta's suspended for the game. He picked up a 2-game ban last weekend unfortunately. The defense is going to be...a little scary for this one.
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Apr 6 2008, 06:02 PM
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Maybe our savior Digao will play. We are very lucky to have him....... (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Juve is tricky they give up a sillygame to Reggina but peform against the big teams. We do have a good setup with Seedorf Pirlo and Kaka in the midfield with a quick Pato up front or a sly Inzaghi. If we play like we need the 3 points which we do and we play do or die i think we can play the Seedorf card because they will have to play Sissoko on Kaka and Camoranesi on Pirlo Seedorf should be freed up to get the ball to Pato who will easily be able to take the Juve defense. Its the monster they have for a keeper im worried about. If we put all of the pressure on them and their defense they should crack alowing us to attack quickly. No silly mistakes at the back and an on form Kaka we could win 1-0 or 2-0. Without the cards going our way they could easily win 2-0 (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Apr 6 2008, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE (maldini03 @ Apr 6 2008, 08:32 PM) Maybe our savior Digao will play. We are very lucky to have him....... (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Juve is tricky they give up a sillygame to Reggina but peform against the big teams. We do have a good setup with Seedorf Pirlo and Kaka in the midfield with a quick Pato up front or a sly Inzaghi. If we play like we need the 3 points which we do and we play do or die i think we can play the Seedorf card because they will have to play Sissoko on Kaka and Camoranesi on Pirlo Seedorf should be freed up to get the ball to Pato who will easily be able to take the Juve defense. Its the monster they have for a keeper im worried about. If we put all of the pressure on them and their defense they should crack alowing us to attack quickly. No silly mistakes at the back and an on form Kaka we could win 1-0 or 2-0. Without the cards going our way they could easily win 2-0 (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I'm sure Pato would be honored to beat the best 'keeper in the world. (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) As for this game, if we want a win we must attack... constantly. considering our defense situation we cannot sit back and defend at all. so no silly Christmas tree for this one, Carlo...
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Apr 6 2008, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Apr 6 2008, 09:19 AM) I'm sure Pato would be honored to beat the best 'keeper in the world. (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) As for this game, if we want a win we must attack... constantly. considering our defense situation we cannot sit back and defend at all. so no silly Christmas tree for this one, Carlo... Yes, we have to put all of the pressure on the Juve defense because lets face it they are poor and have no skill when it comes to players like Pato who can run at them. Chellini and Legrotalie IMO arent skilled at all they use brute forse and tricky fouls to stop attackers. We also need to have Seedorf ready to play because Kaka wont get an inch and Pirlo will not be allowed to move.
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Apr 6 2008, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE (maldini03 @ Apr 6 2008, 06:02 PM) If we play like we need the 3 points which we do and we play do or die i think we can play the Seedorf card because they will have to play Sissoko on Kaka and Camoranesi on Pirlo Seedorf should be freed up to get the ball to Pato who will easily be able to take the Juve defense. Its the monster they have for a keeper im worried about. If Sissoko will mark Kaka, I'm telling you from now that we'll see a lot of magic from our Golden boy (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Apr 7 2008, 02:48 AM
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Zanetti's hurt - got hurt in the Genoa game and hasn't played since then (early March). According to the Juve website, he's still not training with the team.
No news on Nedved yet.
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Apr 7 2008, 03:07 PM
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There's talk that Milan may appeal Nesta's 2-game ban and try to get it reduced to 1 game so that he'll be available for this one.
Wouldn't hold my breath, though.
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Apr 7 2008, 04:46 PM
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(from acmilan.com's italian page)
Today's training: Pato, Janku, Favalli, and Emerson worked in the gym. The rest of the team - including Rino and Sergio - did the regular training, including ball possession drills and an 11x11 practice game.
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Apr 7 2008, 04:58 PM
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I think it's a thigh strain, Mike.
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Apr 7 2008, 07:03 PM
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I'm expecting a Bonera - Simic - God - Favalli defence line-up. Or maybe Bonera in the center as he's played more matches than the Croat.
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Apr 7 2008, 07:04 PM
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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Apr 7 2008, 08:03 PM) so he isn't banned for two matches. he is injured. No he is banned for two matches but we're appealing against it as it looks like.
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Apr 7 2008, 07:10 PM
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^^^ What dst said. Galliani said that they were appealing the 2-game suspension (of which Nesta's already served 1 game) at the Lega meeting that's coming up.
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Apr 7 2008, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE (MizNelson @ Apr 7 2008, 09:09 AM) Word. Plus, Dida regularly plays his best against Juve because he loves playing against Buffon. Agreed. I'm usually a decently optimistic person, but even I'm not too sure we'll be seeing Dida anytime soon, what with only a handful of matches left till the end of the season. Oh well, that's the way with Carlo, I reckon. (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Kalac is back to his usual self (7-8 goals in last five matches), and while everyone here appreciates what he's done these last couple of months, he seems to have gotten out of his purple patch. Confident, yes. Dependable, maybe. But he's not quite the keeper he was at the start of the year. Still, I hope he puts in a great performance this Sunday. After all the pieces fall to place, I'd very much hate Dida's last match in Milan be Inter, December 2007. (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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Apr 8 2008, 09:57 AM
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So now we all turn against Kalac? Hmh,..
Don't wanna harp you with that but,..I told 'y so..Kalac is sometimes good, but he makes mistakes that show he isn't a whole season keeper and first team player. Dida should now get his chance and stay with us at the end. If we wanna sell someone it should be Kalac, now that he is worth something (even after that Cagliari goal). We should also install Coppola as 3rd and this should be it!
Now for the game...anyone knows the score Carlo has against Juve and Ranieri?
Juve is the same ol' Juve some years ago, I mean the same style and mentality, but not that quality players. Iaquinta IMO will be the biggest problem, I hope he don't starts.
We just have to win this one and play with the same mentality as against Cagliari.
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Apr 8 2008, 12:20 PM
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Double training session for Milan today. The morning session has taken place; it was all individualized work. Afternoon training will take place in...just over 90 minutes from when I'm posting.
The Zebras have an afternoon training session today, at which the conditions of Pavel Nedved and Cristiano Zanetti will be evaluated.
EDIT: Nedved's had another CAT-scan and has been examined by a neurosurgeon. He's been passed fit to resume activity and will train with the Zebras tomorrow (Wednesday). [from the zebra website]
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Apr 8 2008, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE (m1ke @ Apr 8 2008, 04:54 PM) ^^ I'd still consider that a bad result for us! Inter have to beat Fio - I don't think we're in a position to cheer on Inter's rivals when we're 4 points away from a CL spot with 6 games to play (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Even if Inter win, Fiorentina will have to fall again in the following games... it makes no big difference. What matters is that we win all games left if possible so that we take advantage of any occasional slip-up of theirs or pray that they lost points too when and if we do...
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Apr 8 2008, 04:32 PM
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Afternoon training has taken place. Rino and Sergio trained with the group. Favster ran sprints - which I take as a sign he may be available if needed. Pirlo and Pato worked in the gym but I'm pretty sure they'll both be available. Janku and Emerson also worked in the gym and probably won't be.
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Apr 8 2008, 06:16 PM
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It's wierd how sometimes the players we don't count on, turn out to be big trump cards. This is kinda unrelated...but I remember last season, and we were not going great shakes at all (CL or League) and the board kept saying, We need Ambro back...it's vital...blah blah...and I went Pffffftt...but it turned out to be true. Now this season, they say Pippo's injury and they seem to be being proved right as well. (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I mean in the footballing theory sense (let's not get into the politics of Galliani and co. discussion)...but I wonder is there something about these players we don't know of. For instance, when Carletto says in his interview after 7 long years....that now he knows fully what his players can and cannot do...I think that's a deeper statement than most people give credit for (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . Here for instance is where I think a lot of managers differ. I believe that Capello, Spalleti, Prandell, (now) Carletto, and SAF (I think this is his biggest USP in the EPL) do know this, while others like say...Rijkaard, Schuster, dare i say Mourinho (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) don't. Wenger is somewhere in between. He knows what his players can do at their best. But he is totally blind to them being at their worst. (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I also believe this is what makes a coach do great things with what seems to be a weak team. Juve v Milan.....maybe two strikers for this one...we'll look to press them in the beginning and then take a striker off for a DM. Usual tactic. If our players have continued the good work from Cagliari (and not hit a plateau) we might have a chance... But the Milan team's performance this season, has been as predictable as a roulette wheel. So I'll not make any prophecies.
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Apr 8 2008, 06:36 PM
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This is when we found our form last season (game at Bayern...) so I hope it is the same now. QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 8 2008, 07:16 PM) Here for instance is where I think a lot of managers differ. I believe that Capello, Spalleti, Prandell, (now) Carletto, and SAF (I think this is his biggest USP in the EPL) do know this, while others like say...Rijkaard, Schuster, dare i say Mourinho (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) don't. I certainly disagree with the Mourinho part. If there's something this guy does better than anyone else it is bringing the best out of his players.
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Apr 8 2008, 06:52 PM
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^^ misha would disagree... (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I don't think he had his players completely. It's one thing to make the guys who like you play for you...but wasn't he kicked out..coz a lot of people didn't like him and I mean players. Just like Sacchi was for us...
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Apr 8 2008, 07:01 PM
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Well, we may not be quite so doomed if Nesta's suspension is reduced to 1 game.
Another training note from the land of the Zebras: Del Piero trained separately today.
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Apr 9 2008, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 8 2008, 05:16 PM) This is kinda unrelated...but I remember last season, and we were not going great shakes at all (CL or League) and the board kept saying, We need Ambro back...it's vital...blah blah...and I went Pffffftt...but it turned out to be true. Now this season, they say Pippo's injury and they seem to be being proved right as well. (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) they make these sort of staments every week and say the same thing about every player. and ambro was far from vital, he was helpful.
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Apr 9 2008, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE (dst @ Apr 8 2008, 05:36 PM) This is when we found our form last season (game at Bayern...) so I hope it is the same now. Very true. Everyone kept saying that last season we were amazing in the KOs of the CL, but what everyone keeps forgetting is the fact that we were luckluster against Celtic and the only reason we went through is because of Kaka (who this time was struggling through injury and wasn't in shape) and the fact that we were playing Celtic not Arsenal or any other top team for that matter. So last season if we had gotten a tough tie like this season we would have probably gone out due to the fact that we only started hitting top form during this time of the season
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Apr 9 2008, 12:44 PM
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For what it's worth, here are the probable lineups in today's Gazzetta (they'll probably change in coming days):
ZEBRAS Buffon 1 Grygera 21 Legrottaglie 33 Chiellini 3 Molinaro 28 Camoranesi 16 Tiago 30 Sissoko 22 Salihamidzic 7 Trezeguet 17 Del Piero 10
MILAN 16 Kalac 2 Cafu 3 Maldini 24 Bonera 27 Serginho 8 Gattuso 21 Pirlo 23 Ambrosini 10 Seedorf 22 Kakà 9 Inzaghi
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Apr 10 2008, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE (Darunia @ Apr 9 2008, 06:42 PM) Pato? If it's fit he will probably start. Yes, any news on Pato?
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Apr 10 2008, 02:41 PM
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I'm very optimistic for this match. We really have "unmotivated" champions in our squad, that now or never should prove themselfs in such a crucial match, like this one.
I think Kalac time's over. I want Dida between the sticks. I still trust his abilities to make the goal look like a small box for every striker that comes in front of him. I hope Pato will be okay, and start/score which will be a great chance for him to prove himself that he's a player also for big matches, and scoring against Buffon, will surely make you a World-Class striker.
Our defense without Oddo, Nesta and Kaladze will push me to suicide every time Juventus will be on the attack. But anyway, Bonera was really good as a right-back last match, and hopefully will make the same thing on Saturday night.
Let's get a 3 pointer and reach that cursed 4'th place.
Forza Milan !!!
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Apr 10 2008, 02:58 PM
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I'm hopeful for the match. A whole bunch of people trained separately yesterday (including Pato) but I'm not sure there's real cause for worry on that account just yet. Today's training is due to begin any time now.
Camoranesi gave the interview today for the Zebras and - smart boy - he had only nice things to say about Maldini.
The Olimpico (formerly the Communale) in Torino is a really nice stadium. It's a good bit smaller than the San Siro, but the pitch is lovely (or it was 3 weeks ago) and it's a nice atmosphere.
I'd feel an awful lot more comfortable about this match if Nesta were available.
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Apr 10 2008, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 10 2008, 09:57 AM) Who's at home in the Inter/Fiore game? The Merda.
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Apr 10 2008, 05:07 PM
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Hrm. Mixed news from today's training -- which took place in the rain.
Pirlo and Emerson rejoined the group, but Pato, Janku, and Paloschi trained in the gym.
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Apr 10 2008, 08:59 PM
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From another lame "Fan vs. Fan" on Goal.com: GOAL: Who is your all time number one hate figure, or object of amusement, from their lot? Dino Distefano (Juventus): I don’t really hate anyone from their team. But Dida has been a joke ever since he joined the club. I can’t believe he is still there. I know he won’t play against Juve but he has been ridiculous this season. *cough*'03 CL Final *cough*Sour grapes always make the best whine. (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Apr 11 2008, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE (jefri91 @ Apr 11 2008, 01:30 AM) does anyone really think we can beat juve??? dont be so happy just because we beat a crappy team like cagliari.... Just think what our Golden Boy is capable of doing, and you'll really think that we can beat them! (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif) and I'm very confident about that.
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Apr 11 2008, 01:31 PM
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Carletto's given his prematch press conference. (see acmilan.com's italian page)
Highlights include:
* Simic in the centre of defense * Favster is back * Pippo in attack
So probably a starting lineup looking something like this:
Kalac Bonera Simic Maldini Favalli Gattuso Pirlo Ambrosini Seedorf Kaka Pippo
I'm hoping it's played like a 4-4-2 as it was v. Cagliari.
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Apr 11 2008, 01:45 PM
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Zebra call ups for the game:
I convocati di Ranieri: Belardi, Birindelli, Buffon, Camoranesi, Chiellini, Del Piero, Grygera, Iaquinta, Legrottaglie, Marchionni, Molinaro, Nocerino, Palladino, Salihamidzic, Sissoko, Stendardo, Tiago, Trezeguet.
No Nedved.
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Apr 11 2008, 01:51 PM
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QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 11 2008, 04:15 PM) Zebra call ups for the game: I convocati di Ranieri: Belardi, Birindelli, Buffon, Camoranesi, Chiellini, Del Piero, Grygera, Iaquinta, Legrottaglie, Marchionni, Molinaro, Nocerino, Palladino, Salihamidzic, Sissoko, Stendardo, Tiago, Trezeguet. No Nedved.Good news.
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Apr 11 2008, 02:38 PM
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Hmh...Favalli and Kalac. Does two guys trouble me a lot.
I'm not sure if we can evade this fight even with just a blue eye...What we need is Pato and Kaka, and a very concentrated midfield. Hope we'll see Superambro once more, just like Cagliari,..
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Apr 11 2008, 03:48 PM
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(from acmilan.com's italian page) Call-ups I CONVOCATI DI CARLO ANCELOTTI 11/04/2008 MILANELLO - Questa la lista dei 20 convocati di Carlo Ancelotti per la trasferta di Torino: Dida, Fiori, Kalac, Bonera, Cafu, Digao, Favalli, Maldini, Serginho, Simic, Ambrosini, Brocchi, Gattuso, Gourcuff, Kakà , Pirlo, Seedorf, Gilardino, Inzaghi, Paloschi They did run Pato through drills today, but he hasn't recovered from the thigh strain. (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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Apr 11 2008, 05:30 PM
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For me the most important match will be against the merda. This one...I want to see Seedorf turn on the magic. But I doubt it. I think it will be a draw. Or a typical Juve last minute smash and grab. (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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