[armiss]

22/3/08 - Serie A - Torino vs. AC Milan





This match must be different

This post has been edited by armisse: Mar 19 2008, 11:57 PM

[Bluesummers]

i wanto know if kaka will be fit for this game otherwise were in big big trouble.

[Tennie]

I think it's more important that Pirlo is fit for the game. The team's fortunes seem at times to hang more on his form even than Kaka's.

That said, I really really hope Milan don't suck as much on Saturday as they apparently did today. I also hope that Paloschi - one of the few bright spots of the season - plays.

The fish doll and I will be in the stands cheering 'em on at the Olimpico.

[Fillipo Simone]

Carlo should try out Gourcuff, Ba, Brocchi, everyone,...We've reached that level were desperation isn't a shame any more. But still, there's more then enough matches for us to even up the score with Fiorentina.

1) It frightens that we have to win against Inter and Juve. Is that possible. I hope Carlo switches on and does his regular good job. I couldn't bare a 4th consecutive derby defeat.

2) What happens if we end up point even with Fiorentina? Does that victory against them count?

[Darunia]

Yes we would be put thru.

Kalac
Oddo Nesta Maldini Jankulovski
Gattuso Pirlo Ambrosini
Seedorf
Pato Palsochi

[m1ke]

Do we have any news on Kaka yet?

[Bluesummers]

I think it's more important that Pirlo is fit for the game. The team's fortunes seem at times to hang more on his form even than Kaka's.

That said, I really really hope Milan don't suck as much on Saturday as they apparently did today. I also hope that Paloschi - one of the few bright spots of the season - plays.

The fish doll and I will be in the stands cheering 'em on at the Olimpico.

TAKE PICS!!!!!!!!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

also i think that kaka is needed more than pirlo so i'll disagree with you. Kaka is more than just a AM for our team. He is the motivator the driving force if you will. He ups everyones level. Just look at seedorf, he plays as if he just won world player of the year with kaka but without he plays like he belong in serie B. Kaka can also impact the game more than pirlo can. he did it last saturday.


If their both fit (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/96.gif)

[Bluesummers]

Carlo should try out Gourcuff, Ba, Brocchi, everyone,...We've reached that level were desperation isn't a shame any more. But still, there's more then enough matches for us to even up the score with Fiorentina.

1) It frightens that we have to win against Inter and Juve. Is that possible. I hope Carlo switches on and does his regular good job. I couldn't bare a 4th consecutive derby defeat.

2) What happens if we end up point even with Fiorentina? Does that victory against them count?

juve i'll say there is a chance because of our desperation. Inter is a loss.

[Darunia]

Tennie will bring Milan good luck (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

we need it.

[Tennie]

Let's agree to disagree, Bluesummers. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I think IL CAPITANO is the real motivator of the team, but I know myself to be very biased as regards Maldini.

I will TRY to take pictures but am not sure if I'll have a good seat at all and my camera, frankly, is a piece of ****.

Just checked the news and acmilan.com and nothing definite on Kaka other than that it was his back.

[armiss]

With Maldini in Kaladze will be OUT , the first good sign

[Bluesummers]

Let's agree to disagree, Bluesummers. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I think IL CAPITANO is the real motivator of the team, but I know myself to be very biased as regards Maldini.

I will TRY to take pictures but am not sure if I'll have a good seat at all and my camera, frankly, is a piece of ****.

Just checked the news and acmilan.com and nothing definite on Kaka other than that it was his back.

forza tennie! I hope the camera focuses on you and the fish doll (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) !!!

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Mar 20 2008, 12:17 AM

[Bluesummers]

lineup prediction:


DIDA
oddo-nesta-kaladze-maldini

gattuso-pirlo---ambro

kaka--------seedorf

------school-kid-------

if not kaka then

DIDA

oddo-nesta-kaldadze-maldini

gattuso=--pirlo---ambro

===---=seedorf---------

school-kid #1==school-kid#2

[armiss]

Why Kaladze ?

[Tennie]

Quick update:

Toro lost today at home against Udinese. They lost at the weekend against Cagliari too, so they're not in particularly brilliant form. They also lost Comotto to injury partway through the game. Zanetti and Pisano are also hurt and Lazetic is sitting out due to yellow card accumulation.

Gazzetta is predicting the following Milan lineup (though I'm sure it'll change):

Kalac
Oddo Nesta Kaladze Jankulovski
Gattuso Pirlo Ambrosini
Seedorf
Gilardino Pato

I'd prefer:

Kalac
Oddo Nesta Maldini Jankulovski
Gattuso Pirlo Ambrosini
Seedorf
Paloschi Pato

If there are issues with Janku being match-fit, then Il Capitano to left back and Bonera in the middle with Nesta.

If Kaka is fit, then switch him into the trequartista role and move Seedorf to midfield and let Ambro or Rino (take your pick) sit this one out.

[Darunia]

I want to see Bonera play alongside Nesta rather than Kaladze, but it won't happen (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

my only hope is that Janku is fit and Maldini starts alongside Nesta.

[MizNelson]

The fish doll and I will be in the stands cheering 'em on at the Olimpico.

I think the players need the woobie across their foreheads. Unless he's the nonviolent type. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Tennie]

The woobie has been known to bite if people are especially naughty. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I really am hoping to see Paloschi play, even for a few minutes. He's fast becoming a favourite.

[Bluesummers]

The woobie has been known to bite if people are especially naughty. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I really am hoping to see Paloschi play, even for a few minutes. He's fast becoming a favourite.

Yeah i highly agree! He needs more time. He is already doing more than gila on the pitch. Even if he can't play like pato in the terms of deking and taking a shot or putting a huge amount of pace into works he is still coming back to defend and manuevuring creating space for other people to go into. Gila just stands in one position the whole game demanding a perfect ball to his head.

[armiss]

BAD News but from now i wont accept any setback at any price !


Brazil’s Kaka a doubt for Sweden friendly

3 hours, 43 minutes ago


March 20 (Reuters) - World player of the year Kaka is a doubt for Brazil’s friendly with Sweden in London next week after pulling up with a thigh problem early on in AC Milan’s 2-1 home defeat by Sampdoria in Serie A on Wednesday.

“Kaka won’t be with us at Torino (on Saturday) and I don’t think he’ll go to his national team either,” Milan coach Carlo Ancelotti told La Gazzetta dello Sport.

The Brazilian playmaker had reovered from a back problem he suffered in last weekend’s 2-1 defeat at AS Roma to start for the European champions on Wednesday.

[MizNelson]

I think the last thing Kaka needs to do is play in a pointless friendly anyway. Dunga can go jump in a lake.

Paloschi should start regardless of whom we throw out there on Saturday. Hasn't he saved our neck a couple times this season (and almost did so yesterday)?

[Bluesummers]

The Brazilian superstar was forced off after only nine minutes of Milan’s 2-1 defeat to Sampdoria last night.

It has been revealed that the 25-year-old has a right leg flexor injury, and will be out of action for around 10 days.

Further tests will be undergone today and tomorrow, but Kaka will certainly miss the game with Torino this Saturday, while he faces a race against time to be fit for the following week’s match with Atalanta.

Kaka has had a miserable season on the injury front and has been playing with a niggling sensation in his knee for a few months now.

This has been a key factor in his under-par performances recently, as the Brazilian has struggled to match his brilliant level of performances from last year when he led Milan to Champions League glory.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Mar 20 2008, 07:18 PM

[aLbErTo]

jankulovski is obviously still not in top form...not that other are but anyway...i think favalli should start this one, he's done pretty good as a sub couple of times this year...and i hate seeing kaladze on the pitch and simic whole season on the bench...he's not class of nesta or maldini, but he's surely better then kaladze !!!!

[Darunia]

My guess is Janku will start and get subbed out, that seems to happen a lot these days. We need Zambrotta =/ (We need to start winning games or Zambro won't come)

This post has been edited by Darunia: Mar 21 2008, 08:25 PM

[I_Rossoneri]

With Ricky out injured I would play Paloschi and Gila upfront with Pato just behind them(or a free role to roam).

[I_Rossoneri]

My guess is Janku will start and get subbed out, that seems to happen a lot these days.  We need Zambrotta =/ (We need to start winning games or Zambro won't come)

Janku has been awful recently and was rightly subbed again against Samp. IMO our downfall this season has been the poor quality from both our fullbacks, they need to start producing and fast.

[arivanjj]

the called up players:

Dida, Fiori, Kalac,

Digao, Favalli, Jankulovski, Kaladze, Maldini, Nesta, Oddo, Simic,

Ambrosini, Brocchi, Emerson, Gattuso, Gourcuff, Pirlo, Seedorf,

Gilardino, Paloschi, Pato.

[Darunia]

Good to see Gourcuff back in the squad, although i don't think he'll play. No Bonera available.

[Fillipo Simone]

Torino is a must win.

I would like to see Pato and Gilardino upfront, behind them Seedorf and Gourcuff. If we field Pato-Palsochi-Gila it would be too much and we would be without a reserve striker on the bench. As Gila is a murderous bench-joker, I prefer to see him as a starter. Palo showed many times till now that he's able to score in 20 or less minutes from his entrence. Gila,..not!

A fit Serginho would be a blessing for this match, or Cafu. Toro can be broken down with some offensive backs, like the two. But,..it'll be a Favalli-Oddo coup instead I suppose.

Tennie will bring us luck, I'm sure. We'll win this one, let's make it a confident as well..

[MizNelson]

Tennie will bring us luck, I'm sure. We'll win this one, let's make it a confident as well..

Just look for the person flashing Nesta in the stands. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

Tennie will bring us luck, I'm sure. We'll win this one, let's make it a confident as well..

I think the last time she went to a Milan game we lost (Billy's last game if I'm correct) so she may be bad luck! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[MizNelson]

I think the last time she went to a Milan game we lost (Billy's last game if I'm correct) so she may be bad luck!  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

We won that match, didn't we? It was the one in which Billy scored the penalty.

[KillerMax]

We won that match, didn't we? It was the one in which Billy scored the penalty.

He scored, but we lost.

[MizNelson]

(IMG:http://images.allposters.com/images/62/040_fp0791.jpg)

One of my favorite movies of all time. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Totally random post, I know, but I'd have replied in the "4th Place?" thread were it still open.

[Fillipo Simone]

(IMG:http://images.allposters.com/images/62/040_fp0791.jpg)

One of my favorite movies of all time. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Totally random post, I know, but I'd have replied in the "4th Place?" thread were it still open.

4th place thread?

Anyway,..it was a totally unimportant match against Udinese back then. No it's different. We must get the 3.

[MizNelson]

4th place thread?

This.

http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?s...view=getnewpost

[Zed.D]

dp

This post has been edited by zdrossoneri: Mar 22 2008, 10:41 AM

[Zed.D]

I can't see us winning this one to be honest. Torino held Juve with a great performance there, I don't see a reason why they can't do the same to Milan [without Kaka and fairly weaker than Juve this season]

[armiss]

TORINO-MILAN: FORMAZIONI UFFICIALI
22/03/2008


MILANO - Torino e Milan così in campo all'Olimpico:

TORINO: Fontana; Diana, Natali, Di Loreto, Pisano; Rosina, Corini, Grella, P.Zanetti; Stellone, Di Michele.










































































(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

MILAN: Kalac; Oddo, Nesta, Kaladze, Maldini; Gattuso, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Seedorf; Pato, Gilardino.

This post has been edited by armisse: Mar 22 2008, 02:20 PM

[armiss]

Playing in Turin would be good again ! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by armisse: Mar 22 2008, 02:22 PM

[Darunia]

Forza Milan!

Goooo Gila & Pato!

[Zed.D]

Gila ahead of Paloschi?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I wonder how many chances he's gonna get before he's eventually sold to another team...

[Bluesummers]

Gila ahead of Paloschi?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I wonder how many chances he's gonna get before he's eventually sold to another team...

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[han2503]

Hopefully we'll go out there and finally after I don't know how long we'll play a good game.

Still would prefer either Emerson or Yoann instead of Ambro. He's in terrible form atm and has been a liabilaty lately with his slack passing.

We just need Pirlo and Seedorf on top of their game today

[Guest_fresh_prince7_*]

Ambro can't pass period.

Been along time since we've played a solid game.

Funny that the result probably rests on how well pato plays. Hopefully a few others are motivated tonight.

[han2503]

Ambro can't pass period.

Been along time since we've played a solid game.

Funny that the result probably rests on how well pato plays. Hopefully a few others are motivated tonight.

I personally think it's all down to Pirlo and Seedorf, they are the only creative players in the team and if they don't play well, the entire team will stutter through the game. I have no doubts that if Pato gets the ball enough times he will score. He just has that aura about him that you know that if he will get the ball you can expect something to happen.

He just needs to be supplied with the ball and again, that falls on the shoulders of Pirlo and Seedorf. So I'm hoping that they play a good game.

[Guest_fresh_prince7_*]

Well thats true. I guess we'll see how motivated we are for 4th spot.

[Guest_fresh_prince7_*]

By the way, has the audio thing on acmilan.com been removed?

[han2503]

By the way, has the audio thing on acmilan.com been removed?

no it's working

Paste this into your media player

http://media.esperia.com/milan_eng

[armiss]

i think it depends to all of them

[Guest_fresh_prince7_*]

no it's working

Paste this into your media player

http://media.esperia.com/milan_eng

Nice, cheers han.

[han2503]

Nice, cheers han.

No problem (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[whoarethepatriot...]

Stellone easily turns Kala, but luckily his shot hits the side netting

[Ry4n]

No problem  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

cheers m8

[armiss]

Kaladze please !

[Zed.D]

No problem  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

It's the only way I can follow the game right now. thanks!

[han2503]

Pirlo is finally putting in some great free kicks

[Ry4n]

great they have a goalkeeper that wants to prove somthing ! dam it

[han2503]

great they have a goalkeeper that wants to prove somthing ! dam it

Atleast we are playing well, so if we keep this performance level then I'm pretty sure that we will score no matter how well their keeper is playing.

We just have to stay focused

[armiss]

Their keepers doesnt matter !

This post has been edited by armisse: Mar 22 2008, 03:21 PM

[han2503]

Why isn't Pato playing as a striker??

He's playing in the Kaka position when we play the xmas tree formation. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[whoarethepatriot...]

Ambro does well to diffuse a dangerous situation

[Ry4n]

Atleast we are playing well, so if we keep this performance level then I'm pretty sure that we will score no matter how well their keeper is playing.

We just have to stay focused

true

[han2503]

Where the hell was kaldze there?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

[Ry4n]

Where the hell was kaldze there??  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

having a ciggy break (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[han2503]

having a ciggy break (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Wouldn't put it past him (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Pirlo keeps getting closer and closer with his free kicks. A couple more chances and he will find the net

[armiss]

Kaladze always in Holidays !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ry4n]

Wouldn't put it past him (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Pirlo keeps getting closer and closer with his free kicks. A couple more chances and he will find the net

i missed the last freekick did it hit the top bar ?

[arivanjj]

lovely volley from Seedorf from outside the box goes wide...

[armiss]

Wouldn't put it past him (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Pirlo keeps getting closer and closer with his free kicks. A couple more chances and he will find the net

Good

[whoarethepatriot...]

Oddo with a clever low cross but no one read it

Most of our attacks are from the left, which i am assuming is becuase Diana (a winger) is playing RB

[han2503]

i missed the last freekick did it hit the top bar ?

No he was aiming for the top left corner but it skimmed the wall on the way so it deflected and took the keeper by surprise so he parried it towards the onrushing players. If someone got a touch on it they would have scored.

As I'm posting this Seedorf tries an amazing volley but it's just wide

This post has been edited by han2503: Mar 22 2008, 03:32 PM

[arivanjj]

oh poor pass from Pato... nice build by Milan

[Ry4n]

No he was aiming for the top left corner but it skimmed the wall on the way so it deflected and took the keeper by surprise so he parried it towards the onrushing players. If someone got a touch on it they would have scored.

As I'm posting this Seedorf tries an amazing volley but it's just wide

ah k cool ty for the update

[whoarethepatriot...]

Mesmerising footwork by Pato in the area but his shot/cross is blocked

[whoarethepatriot...]

Brilliant sliding interception by Kaladze to block a dnagerous low cross by Rosina (i think)

[Ry4n]

Mesmerising footwork by Pato in the area but his shot/cross is blocked

work of art goalkeeper wouldnt of held it if it came to him

[Portman]

Selfish Gilardino. Pato was alone. FFS.

[whoarethepatriot...]

Roma are 1-0 up agaisnt Empoli, Fio-Lazio is 0-0

[arivanjj]

Mutarelli gets a red for Lazio against Viola

[han2503]

Oh Pato with a great chance!!!

The two corners that result from it are wasted

[Ry4n]

Mutarelli gets a red for Lazio against Viola

fak

[han2503]

Selfish Gilardino. Pato was alone. FFS.

I think he was in an offside position when he got the ball. But really should have tried to cross it

Mutarelli gets a red for Lazio against Viola

We are screwed if we don't win this one

[arivanjj]

a nice half of build up play, but again we're missing that final pass.

[armiss]

Ft

[m1ke]

We look the same as we have done for most of the season - slow, sluggish, indecisive and generally lacking ideas going forward. We need to quicken the tempo and close Torino down quicker.

[MizNelson]

Ft

Game over already?

[han2503]

We need to take our chances in the second half and with Fiorentina playing with a man up we better get all 3 points or we can forget about CL football for next season. Because we wouldn't have any chance of reaching 4th

[Portman]

HT 0-0. Fair result.

We should take Ambrosini or Gattuso and put someone like Gourcuff.

Another thing: the X-Mas tree tactic demands ofensive full-backs. Oddo can do it, Maldini no.

[armiss]

Game over already?

Yeah (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[han2503]

HT 0-0. Fair result.

We should take Ambrosini or Gattuso and put someone like Gourcuff.

Another thing: the X-Mas tree tactic demands ofensive full-backs. Oddo can do it, Maldini no.

Can't understand why Carlo would go with the xmas tree tactic when he has Pato playing and Yoann on the bench. We could easily switch to the 4-3-1-2 syste. Hopefully he'll see the light and bring Yoann on in the second half.

But to be fair to the team I thought they played a decent game, at least it is a step up from the disaster of Wednesday night

[armiss]

Maybe Goucuff is not ready yet

[Portman]

2nd half about to start. No changes I believe.

This post has been edited by Porty: Mar 22 2008, 04:02 PM

[MizNelson]

Yeah    (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You're so cute. *pinches nose* (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Portman]

Someone please sub Gattuso. His form is pathetic. He can't even pass.

[Portman]

Yellow to Oddo. Foul on Di Michele.

[Ry4n]

shut up Stellone !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Portman]

Maldini, once again, proving why he shouldn't be in the pitch...

Dangerous FK for Torino.

[han2503]

Brocchi is warming up (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Carlo must be sniffing that glue again...

[Portman]

FFS Seedorf!!! Alone just against the keeper, he hits the bar.

Damn it. We can't miss this chances.