[Portman]

http://www.as.com/articulo/futbol/Alves/Ba...sdaiftb_40/Tes/

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Ronaldinho to Chelsea, Daniel Alves to Barcelona.

What the hell is this? Are they joking with the entire Europe or what? I really hope so... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[PS: I just posted this in the Milan NEWS section because it talks about 10R]

[Tennie]

It's As. Let's hope they're just drunk and creative. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Portman]

It's As. Let's hope they're just drunk and creative. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Is Ronaldinho that stupid (to move to EPL) and to a club with no prestige, history, whatever?

TBH I think AS is just putting some pressure on R.Madrid to sign Alves. It's the only explanation for this news. It must be.

[misha]

It's bullshit. They are just trying to piss Barca or something. AS is worse than tribal (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

To make space for him Chelsea would need to sell Sheva first.

This post has been edited by mishale: Aug 26 2007, 04:19 AM

[kurtsimonw]

Is Ronaldinho that stupid (to move to EPL) and to a club with no prestige, history, whatever?

Would Alves be stupid enough to move to a club with no prestige or history?

[Rossoneri7]

Would Alves be stupid enough to move to a club with no prestige or history?

U r not comparing R10 to Alves .. R u ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

U r not comparing R10 to Alves .. R u ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

It doesn't matter on the name of the person.

Why would a player worth tens of millions move to a club with no prestige or history? - Is that better. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

It doesn't matter on the name of the person.

Why would a player worth tens of millions move to a club with no prestige or history? - Is that better.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

No ... I truly want to know what ur opinion is; are u honestly comparing R10 to Alves ?!


Alves ?! He is worth tens of millions ?! u gotta be kidding me ... Why ?! I mean, Cafu in his prime wasn't worth that much !!! And we r talking about Cafu here

[kurtsimonw]

It's very difficult to compare players in different positions. From what I've heard of their valuations right now, Alvez is definetely better value for money. He's around £24m compared to R10s £70m. In that case, I'd take Alves.

I know Cafu wasn't worth tens of millions in his prime, but prices for players have gone up a hell of alot, even in the past 12 months. Players like Hargreaves and Carrick have been bought for £18m, when a few years ago it would have been closer to £8m.

Ruud van Nistelrooy was bought for nearly £20m by United, I thought that was a stupid amount of money, nowadays any above average player is worth that much. Madrid have spent that on about 5 seperate players. United have now spent close to that on Hargreaves, Carrick, Nani and Anderson. Cafu, if he was younger and still in his prime, would be worth closer to £20m also.

[Rossoneri7]

I don't know about those valuations .. But that wasn't what I was talking about.


R10 needs no introduction ! I don't need to write anything colorful to describe what he is ! While Alves, you would need to convince a couple people that he is the "best right back in the world" (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Thus, I wouldn't compare Alves with R10 ...

R10 has a better option available (i.e. Milan), and that option can easily afford him ! Plus, he would be playing for the best club in the world.

Alves, maybe Chelsea would pay ridiculous amounts for him .. I mean they bought a worn out Shevchenko, why wouldn't they (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Maybe Madrid, as they are turning into a over spending club ... But, I have yet to see a club pay ridiculous amounts for a wing back ! It is unprecedented, it simply does not happen.

[dst]

No ... I truly want to know what ur opinion is; are u honestly comparing R10 to Alves ?!
Alves ?! He is worth tens of millions ?! u gotta be kidding me ... Why ?! I mean, Cafu in his prime wasn't worth that much !!! And we r talking about Cafu here

In my opinion Alves is worth E35m! And he's not worse than Cafu in his prime. Especially if you consider that we're willing to spend E100m on Ronaldinho... if I was taking that fee seriously, I'd say Alves is worth E60m!!

You "have yet to see a club pay ridiculous amounts for a wing back" because defenders are underestimated... the first time to win a Golden Ball is Cannavaro in 2006... I can name a dozen than SHOULD have won it! And there are not so many full-backs that can be as effective as Alves... In the past 20 years there have only been Maldini, R.Carlos and Cafu that could have cost BIG money to a team... the former two were certainly worth the Golden Ball... but I guess Maldini has never been a player as good as Ronaldinho! I guess meaningless tricks actually mean a lot so some people...

[kurtsimonw]

I guess meaningless tricks actually mean a lot so some people...

I'm glad somebody said it for me, if I came out with that I'd get bullied on here. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

In my opinion Alves is worth E35m! And he's not worse than Cafu in his prime. Especially if you consider that we're willing to spend E100m on Ronaldinho... if I was taking that fee seriously, I'd say Alves is worth E60m!!

You "have yet to see a club pay ridiculous amounts for a wing back" because defenders are underestimated... the first time to win a Golden Ball is Cannavaro in 2006... I can name a dozen than SHOULD have won it! And there are not so many full-backs that can be as effective as Alves... In the past 20 years there have only been Maldini, R.Carlos and Cafu that could have cost BIG money to a team... the former two were certainly worth the Golden Ball... but I guess Maldini has never been a player as good as Ronaldinho! I guess meaningless tricks actually mean a lot so some people...

Meaningless tricks ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) R u talking about CR ?!


Defenders are not underestimated !! I mean, if u take the fee that Berlusconi payed for Nesta, u would know that this isn't true ... The golden ball ?! If I was given the opportunity to be the judge of that competition it would go to Maldini hands down !!!

What I was pointing towards is a wing back, I mean sure he has quality and is fast and all that, but Alves really shouldn't be compared to R10 ! Neither should Carlos, Cafu, Zambrotta, etc ...

Then, we are not willing to spend 100M ... It is the owner of the club that is willing ... It's ok, you can evaluate Alves to be the best footballer in the game .. If u can live with this idea, then by all means (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

But don't compare R10 to Alves. Not because of the quality that R10 has, but because you are talking about a player that has played at the highest of stages !! And comparing him to a player who has yet to feel the pressure of playing for a BIG club.

[dst]

Meaningless tricks ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) R u talking about CR ?!

Defenders are not underestimated !! I mean, if u take the fee that Berlusconi payed for Nesta, u would know that this isn't true ... The golden ball ?! If I was given the opportunity to be the judge of that competition it would go to Maldini hands down !!!

What I was pointing towards is a wing back, I mean sure he has quality and is fast and all that, but Alves really shouldn't be compared to R10 ! Neither should Carlos, Cafu, Zambrotta, etc ...

Then, we are not willing to spend 100M ... It is the owner of the club that is willing ... It's ok, you can evaluate Alves to be the best footballer in the game .. If u can live with this idea, then by all means (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

But don't compare R10 to Alves. Not because of the quality that R10 has, but because you are talking about a player that has played at the highest of stages !! And comparing him to a player who has yet to feel the pressure of playing for a BIG club.

No, I'm talking about Ronaldinho...

Nesta was and is the best CB in the world! He captained Lazio to a scudetto... and he was a big desire of Berlusconi... the biggest at that time... what he paid is only the exception that proves the rule! In Italy they do rate defenders highly but Italy is only a small part of the football world...

You are not the one who decides who's given the Golden Ball... what matters is that those that actually decide for it never gave it to Maldini or any other defender before 2006... That is a fact and that proves that they are underestimated!

I see you rate Ronaldinho really high... well, I don't. Roberto Carlos is a legend to me, so is Ronaldo... R20 has a long way to go to reach that level in my view... and if he keeps on putting money first he never will! If I was still 5 maybe I would be in love with every fancy move he makes but they hype around him does not affect me... I rate him for what he is not for what people think he is!

I don't think Alves is the best in the game, how the heck did you come up with that!?? And don't act like everyone must think as you do; I don't like Ronaldinho and that's it, you laughing is not going to change my opinion...

I did not compare Alves to R10...

[kurtsimonw]

I pretty much agree with what dst said there.

But on comparing Alves and R10, as I said, it's very difficult to directly compare since they play completely different positions. But I will say this. Alves gives you something at the back AND going forward, something R10 does not.