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Nov 29 2006, 01:20 PM
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This is simply nothing....
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Nov 29 2006, 02:05 PM
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I hope he can come back to San Siro as a purchase
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Nov 29 2006, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Nov 29 2006, 01:06 PM) Exactly, Milan ain't no hotel, that you can come and go as you please. Plus why would we get Sheva when he wouldn't be of any use to us in the CL??
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Nov 29 2006, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Nov 29 2006, 04:59 PM) We have Oliveira and in HIM WE TRUST! Exactly, all this talk about wanting Sheva back can't be helping him in the confidence department
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Nov 29 2006, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Nov 29 2006, 05:59 PM) We have Oliveira and in HIM WE TRUST! If you say we, you mena like all of us? Because I don't trust him. Still I have hope for him, and I'd prefer him to Sheva loan any day!
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Nov 29 2006, 10:07 PM
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he won't come back, at least I hope not and now, somebody still think that his move was not for money (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) , or maybe he has already learned too speak english???? (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) and I think he has made his choice, so let him face the consequences (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) , and one more thing, think about the image this will bring to Milan if Scheva returns... Ricky might think " it's OK if I go to Madrid, if things don't go right I can return to Milan" PLZ don't let this happen with the giant (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif) AC Milan (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)
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Nov 29 2006, 10:39 PM
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Yeah... it's here: QUOTE Loophole blocks Sheva return
Wednesday 29 November, 2006 : channel4.com
Andriy Shevchenko cannot complete a loan comeback to Milan in January due to a legal loophole on non-EU players.
Newspapers in England are today insisting that the Chelsea star is so unhappy at Stamford Bridge that he is in negotiations for a shock return to San Siro mid-season.
However, the rules limiting the arrival of non-EU players from a foreign club would make this impossible, as the Rossoneri have already filled their quota with Ricardo Oliveira’s switch from Real Betis Sevilla.
If Shevchenko were to come back to Serie A, it would have to be in the summer, when another non-EU place opens up.
There is another alternative, one already used by Juventus when they brought in Adrian Mutu following his contract termination with Chelsea.
If another Serie A side with a free non-EU place signs the player, then turns him over to the larger club, this gets around the regulations.
Yet this would be very tricky to complete in a purely loan deal, so Chelsea would have to sell Shevchenko to another side in order to then send him forward to the Rossoneri.
The Ukrainian and former European Player of the Year moved to Chelsea for around £30m in the summer.
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Nov 29 2006, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 29 2006, 04:24 PM) Sheva's scored more goals, so? C'mon, just look at both men play and then tell me who's doing better at the moment. Oliveira is gaining his form back, in a couple of weeks you'll see the real Oliveira. What is Shevchenko doing at Chelsea? NOTHING. He's just a pedestrian on the field, nothing more. and you sill think that oliveria will do all that sheva did ? don't be naive, i mean, olivera has scored two goals so far, i honestly don't belive oliveria will end his contract with milan, he will be sold at the end, or given on loan Ps. i would rather to have sheva on the team once more, that having oliveria running through all the field trying to find out what to do with the ball.
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Nov 29 2006, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE (berenike_10 @ Nov 29 2006, 11:33 PM) and you sill think that oliveria will do all that sheva did ? don't be naive, i mean, olivera has scored two goals so far, i honestly don't belive oliveria will end his contract with milan, he will be sold at the end, or given on loan Ps. i would rather to have sheva on the team once more, that having oliveria running through all the field trying to find out what to do with the ball. I don't think Oliveira will be even half of what Sheva has been for us. And I agree, we'll probably sell him before his contract ends. But saying that the actual Shevchenko is doing better than the actual Oliveira is stupid. Just watch the two guys playing. As I said, Shevchenko doesn't look much more than a pedestrain on the field, I'm pretty sure without him Chelsea plays much better. He's just an inhibitor of Chelsea's fast game. On the other hand Oli is working hard and in a couple of weeks he'll gain his lost form back. As Max said, we must trust in him.
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Nov 29 2006, 11:46 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 29 2006, 04:44 PM) I don't think Oliveira will be even half of what Sheva has been for us. And I agree, we'll probably sell him before his contract ends. But saying that the actual Shevchenko is doing better than the actual Oliveira is stupid. Just watch the two guys playing. As I said, Shevchenko doesn't look much more than a pedestrain on the field, I'm pretty sure without him Chelsea plays better. He's just an inhibitor of Chelsea's fast game. On the other hand Oli is working hard and in a couple of weeks he'll gain his lost form back. As Max said, we have him and we must trust in him. Yes, i understand your point, it was a pitty that sheva had to leave... i think that he'll never forgive himself for that choice.
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Nov 29 2006, 11:51 PM
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QUOTE (mishale @ Nov 29 2006, 04:50 PM) You said any aspect of the game. Goal scoring is also an aspect. And for strikers it's quite important. 2/3 good games doesn't makes him so good as you make him. As for Sheva yes he is playing bad but he doesn't get enough balls either. I have seen some games of chelsea recenlty...NOBODY, but nobody passes the ball to sheva, only ballack, then no one else.
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Nov 30 2006, 12:12 AM
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as pissed as i was at him when he left
i would, honestly, welcome him with open arms
there are reports that sheva could only leave if chelsea find someone to take his place...at the same time they have been reported on trying to grab Valencia's David Villa.
i still think it's a small chance that this is actually true...but i honestly believe that seeing sheva in a milan jersey again (as well as score his first goal back) would put tears in my eyes.
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Nov 30 2006, 12:33 AM
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QUOTE (Warchant @ Nov 29 2006, 05:12 PM) as pissed as i was at him when he left i would, honestly, welcome him with open arms there are reports that sheva could only leave if chelsea find someone to take his place...at the same time they have been reported on trying to grab Valencia's David Villa. i still think it's a small chance that this is actually true...but i honestly believe that seeing sheva in a milan jersey again (as well as score his first goal back) would put tears in my eyes. I would love to see that once more, i think he'll celebrate it like when he won the champions league , and the san siro will become a pandemonium.
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Nov 30 2006, 05:54 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 29 2006, 07:45 PM) Oh sh!t mate, I told you comparing them now is nonsense. Sheva has been trash! The fact you like him doesn't make his apparances better. Oliveira has been better than Shevchenko this season, so far. Who doesn't agree... well, good luck. i prefer to remember ALL THE AMAZING YEARS HE HAD WITH MILAN!
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Nov 30 2006, 06:56 AM
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(IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I think we are splitting hairs here. So Sheva was great, and he's not playing now, which means at the worst it's gonna be a bad season. Is Oli crap compared to Sheva?? Hell No! I still get people(who watch the Liga the way...uhm...dst watches Serie A? and THEY make excuses for Oli. They rate this guy better than Torres for heaven's sakes and that's saying a f_ing lot don't you think??!!) So it's not like one guy is comprehensively better than the other...they are different...that's all.
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Nov 30 2006, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE (mishale @ Nov 29 2006, 10:55 PM) Yes. It was obvious in today game. Yep the only good thing Sheva did was that long range shot which he created himself.Other then that I can count the number of times he touched the ballon one hand. But I'm wih X-offender on this one. Sry mishale. When you compare who has been better for their current teams then Oli edges Sheva out. It's not just about the goals, just look at how Chelsea play when Sheva is off the pitch and when he is on it, the last 2 Chelsea games are great examples, he slows them down. Sheva is practically a pedestrian in every match he has played, except for a few when Chelsea where cruising. Oli hasn't even completed one full match with us and hasn't gotten even half the starts with us that Sheva has gottn with Chelsea. But when he comes on he definately makes an impact. And let's not forget the serious injury he suffered and the factthat he has personal problems to worry about. The only problem Sheva has to worry about is gettingto English lessons on time. Sheva has scored 3 goals so far and has practically started in every math for Chelsea, Oli has 1 goal (plus hitting the post three time (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) and Oli hasn't had as many minutes as Sheva. Plus Chelsea are in good form right now ie more service from midfield whereas our midfieldes have practically all been out of form except for Kaka, and we have no fullbacks. It's notjust Oli that's struggling it's all o our strikers. And there is no excuse of one is adapting to a different environment since both are going through that. btw for someone who hasmentioned the english learning thing, he is "somewhat" speaking coherent English, so I guess his goal is being achieved
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Nov 30 2006, 12:11 PM
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I think maldini and Rino made themselves perfectly clear about how they felt about him.
Kaladze is a close friend of his, of course he wants him back, so is Seedorf
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Nov 30 2006, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE (Portugal @ Nov 30 2006, 11:13 AM) What about the tifosi in general? The curva sud of San Siro? Want him back? (We should do a pool...) In the end it really isn't up to them to decide these things. Plus the Sheva loan is pretty much impossible, because of the non EU players issue
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Nov 30 2006, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 30 2006, 11:26 AM) Unless, Milan loans out Oli to Brazil to deal w/ his probs .. I Really hope that won’t happen. Oli needs to stay with Milan so he can integrate into the team as fast as possible, sending him to Brazil wouldn’t be the answer. Sheva would only come for these six months, basically if he comes he would just be a quick fix for this season, where as if Oli stays and learns how to adapt to the team this season. He could be great for us next year, or even through the second half of this season. Oli might not have shown it yet but he is a great player, some La Liga fans even said that he is better then Torres. It’s just that circumstances aren’t exactly on his side right now
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Nov 30 2006, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE (Portugal @ Nov 30 2006, 11:28 AM) Dunno about that. Yesterday's was the new about "he can't return. non-EU passport". And today both Gazzetta and Corriere make his return as the frontpage? (They're not stupid...) Probably the yesterday's new was b/s and he can return as a loan. (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Didn’t Sheva get an Italian passport a while back?? I don’t understand how this has become an issue. I thought he already had an Italian passport
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Nov 30 2006, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE (Portugal @ Nov 30 2006, 11:32 AM) OFFICIAL STATEMENT: Galliani said today "At this moment there's not any contact with Chelsea to bring Shevchenko back"“At this moment…†I don’t like this
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Nov 30 2006, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 30 2006, 02:30 PM) I Really hope that won’t happen. Oli needs to stay with Milan so he can integrate into the team as fast as possible, sending him to Brazil wouldn’t be the answer. Sheva would only come for these six months, basically if he comes he would just be a quick fix for this season, where as if Oli stays and learns how to adapt to the team this season. He could be great for us next year, or even through the second half of this season. Oli might not have shown it yet but he is a great player, some La Liga fans even said that he is better then Torres. It’s just that circumstances aren’t exactly on his side right now Oli is a great player .. Sure he is no Sheva replacment, but over-all I agree w/ u, he hasnt shown what he could do as of yet .. When I remarked that Oli could be loaned, it was just a hunch .. seeing that he has probs at home and Milan have problems on the field. If it was up to me, I'd keep him on as much as possible till he breaks the ice and shows us his potential .. That game against Lazio, I remember him to be very quick and clever .. I'm sure it's just a phase and he'll get back to his best form. Sheva ? Do u actually want him back ?!
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Nov 30 2006, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 30 2006, 11:36 AM) Oli is a great player .. Sure he is no Sheva replacment, but over-all I agree w/ u, he hasnt shown what he could do as of yet .. When I remarked that Oli could be loaned, it was just a hunch .. seeing that he has probs at home and Milan have problems on the field. If it was up to me, I'd keep him on as much as possible till he breaks the ice and shows us his potential .. That game against Lazio, I remember him to be very quick and clever .. I'm sure it's just a phase and he'll get back to his best form. Sheva ? Do u actually want him back ?! QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 30 2006, 11:18 AM) I really hope this whole Sheva thing is not true. It just makes Milan as a whole look bad as if we would take Chelsea’s seconds, and that we can’t cope without him. If Sheva truly wants to come back then he should have thought about it before making his choice. End of. As far as I’m concerned his relationship with Milan ended the moment he expressed he was thinking of leaving And I totally agree about what you said regarding Oli, he might not right the a new chapter in our history books like Sheva did but none-the-less he's a great player and to judge him on what he has done these past few games wouldn't be right and it wouldn't be fair to him either. As you said he showed us glimpses of what he can do against Lazio, once he finds his feet in Serie A and hopefully the thing with his sister get's resolved (for the best I hope) he will show us what he can do
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Nov 30 2006, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 30 2006, 01:41 PM) So it's the end of it ... Glade to here it, now I dont want to hear a pip about S7 coming back .. (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) No body actually DENIED it. I think we will just have to see how it plays out during January, although I really believe that the transfer can't be done. First hte English papers started with it from when Abramovich took over Chelsea, and continued with the same pattern until he actually moved, now that they have him in London they want to start with it al over again (IMG: http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Dec 1 2006, 08:56 AM
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I personally don't want him back either plus comebacks have always proved to be bad moves by us, Sacchi Cappello ring any bells?
Sheva's only hope is to try and revive what is left of his carreer at Chelsea coming back to Milan is not the answer.
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