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 Nov 25 2006, 01:57 PM
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Allievi Nazionali  Group: Helpers Posts: 8,465 Joined: 9-March 06 Member No.: 1,388  |
I was reading a book the other day and there was one quote that really changed my mood and gave me comfort. It's like it all clicked. Why I love Milan, what the management and the players have been saying all along. It's natural for every team to go through a bad period once in a long while and that's what's happening to Milan right now... Just a bad, bitter period.... Of course we know this probably could have been avoided with some smart moves in the transfer market and showing some players the door... And then I think it through again and I think about what makes Milan so special... What gives us a soul... What gives us that extra bit of something that we always brag about.
I remember dst mentioning something about Milan being sentimental... I think there is a very important point here... Being "sentimental" has given us the edge over the years... We laugh at Inter in their faces because of this... We feel the superiority with a passion... Even at these not-so-good times, we can still hold our heads high because we represent the Red & Black and they represent us. Milan don't deal with their problems like anyone else, as we are more than just a football club with a squad and an owner. Milan is a foundation, a philosophy. And what was that quote that was so fundamental and how does it relate to all of this? Here is the quote: Success-minded people don't think negatively when negative things start happening all around them. They think: "This is the time when success is right around the corner, and whatever happens, I will get it." And that reminds me... If I didn't believe in that, then I might as well kill myself next time I go through a difficult period in my life... We are down now and everybody kicks you when you are down... If you are weak and shallow, you will give in... Like Portugal did from the begining (even though he always feels the Rossoneri fire in him), but if you are strong, you will never let go and fight until the end... There is a lot of food for thought in this topic and you can take what you want and leave. I hope you understand what the fundamental point is here... It's beyond the transfer market and Berlusconi's money... |
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Nov 25 2006, 02:32 PM
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Smoking Bianco Group: Helpers Posts: 14,039 Joined: 15-August 05 From: KWT Member No.: 191 |
THANK YOU !!
We will get back to glory; what goes up mustcome down, and in our case visa-versa (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Nov 25 2006, 02:42 PM
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Kaka's fangirl, and proud =] Group: Helpers Posts: 2,334 Joined: 26-October 06 From: Vienna, AUSTRIA Member No.: 2,687 |
which book? from whom?
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Nov 25 2006, 03:17 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 2,623 Joined: 26-December 05 From: Inghilterra Member No.: 1,072 |
pkillermax that's what i've been trying to say and you got it spot on!!
that's a great and very thoughtful post my friend a insperation to us all |
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Nov 25 2006, 04:41 PM
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Primavera  Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 25 2006, 03:32 PM) We will get back to glory; what goes up mustcome down, and in our case visa-versa (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)  visa-versa!!? Typo or... you mean like by the Moggi-way using a Visa? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) QUOTE (mchanna @ Nov 25 2006, 03:42 PM) which book? from whom? they guy wrote a whole essay and this is all you came up with... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Well pKillerMax this is a nice post... BUT it sounds more like a funeral oration to me than a morale boosting point; we know Milan is special, that's what drove us into her in the first place. We love her for she's special in every little thing like when our players walked out of Nou Camp with their hands held high and clapping instead of yelling for the disallowed goal... But this is not about being special... I really can't get what you're trying to say here; IMO this team, due to several factors, wants but can't... that is in it all... right now... we're "specially unequipped" (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Nov 25 2006, 05:01 PM
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Smoking Bianco Group: Helpers Posts: 14,039 Joined: 15-August 05 From: KWT Member No.: 191 |
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 25 2006, 06:41 PM) visa-versa!!? Typo or... you mean like by the Moggi-way using a Visa? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Haha .. eeer typo (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) |
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Nov 25 2006, 05:48 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 2,623 Joined: 26-December 05 From: Inghilterra Member No.: 1,072 |
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 25 2006, 03:41 PM) visa-versa!!? Typo or... you mean like by the Moggi-way using a Visa? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) they guy wrote a whole essay and this is all you came up with... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Well pKillerMax this is a nice post... BUT it sounds more like a funeral oration to me than a morale boosting point; we know Milan is special, that's what drove us into her in the first place. We love her for she's special in every little thing like when our players walked out of Nou Camp with their hands held high and clapping instead of yelling for the disallowed goal... But this is not about being special... I really can't get what you're trying to say here; IMO this team, due to several factors, wants but can't... that is in it all... right now... we're "specially unequipped" (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) your the sort of people he's aiming at. by saying "really can't see what your trying to say here" your proving his point that some people can never see the upside. this is only my humble opinion and not a personal attack on anyone so please don't take it that way (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Nov 25 2006, 05:59 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
QUOTE (mishie @ Nov 25 2006, 06:48 PM) your the sort of people he's aiming at. by saying "really can't see what your trying to say here" your proving his point that some people can never see the upside. What's that "sort of people" ?? I commented on what I've seen from Milan so far... which is will and inadequacy... I do believe that Milan will do better than this cause I know the potential our players possess but if you want me to believe in the scudetto then sorry I can't... If you do then it's cause of mental disease, not optimism!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) |
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Nov 25 2006, 06:03 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 2,623 Joined: 26-December 05 From: Inghilterra Member No.: 1,072 |
QUOTE (mishie @ Nov 25 2006, 04:48 PM) your the sort of people he's aiming at. by saying "really can't see what your trying to say here" your proving his point that some people can never see the upside. this is only my humble opinion and not a personal attack on anyone so please don't take it that way (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) as above!! |
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Nov 25 2006, 06:20 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
QUOTE (mishie @ Nov 25 2006, 07:03 PM) as above!! Indeed!! |
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Nov 25 2006, 10:47 PM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 8,465 Joined: 9-March 06 Member No.: 1,388 |
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 25 2006, 10:59 AM) What's that "sort of people" ?? I commented on what I've seen from Milan so far... which is will and inadequacy... I do believe that Milan will do better than this cause I know the potential our players possess but if you want me to believe in the scudetto then sorry I can't... If you do then it's cause of mental disease, not optimism!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) mishie knows what I'm talking about and if you think, you will probably know too... As I said, it's beyond the Scudetto, the transfer market and other such things... |
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Nov 25 2006, 10:56 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 2,623 Joined: 26-December 05 From: Inghilterra Member No.: 1,072 |
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Nov 25 2006, 09:47 PM) mishie knows what I'm talking about and if you think, you will probably know too... As I said, it's beyond the Scudetto, the transfer market and other such things... it's the the way of the world i'm afraid if theres a problem throw money at it,apportion blame never take responsability but there is a way, a philosophy to follow lets hope sometimes we can achieve it (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Nov 26 2006, 12:51 AM
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Esordienti B 96 Group: Full Members Posts: 353 Joined: 29-October 05 From: Slovenia Member No.: 772 |
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Nov 25 2006, 01:57 PM) Milan don't deal with their problems like anyone else, as we are more than just a football club with a squad and an owner. Milan is a foundation, a philosophy. ... and a family. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif) This post has been edited by Diavolo: Nov 26 2006, 12:52 AM |
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Nov 26 2006, 12:54 AM
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Esordienti B 96 Group: Full Members Posts: 353 Joined: 29-October 05 From: Slovenia Member No.: 772 |
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 25 2006, 05:59 PM) I know the potential our players possess but if you want me to believe in the scudetto then sorry I can't... If you do then it's cause of mental disease, not optimism!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Dst it's not believing in this years scudetto, it's believing in Milan future. |
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Nov 26 2006, 02:54 AM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
QUOTE (mishie @ Nov 25 2006, 11:56 PM) it's the the way of the world i'm afraid if theres a problem throw money at it,apportion blame never take responsability but there is a way, a philosophy to follow lets hope sometimes we can achieve it (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) go f@ck yourself mishie... what makes you think you're so special?? You're superior right and I'm just one of those inside the mass that simply don't 'get it'... Like I had to wait from your likes to teach me what Milan is... Cut the cr@p now would you?? QUOTE (Diavolo @ Nov 26 2006, 01:54 AM) Dst it's not believing in this years scudetto, it's believing in Milan future. You're right I don't believe in Milan's future... thus the 4500+ posts... I just love to post (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) |
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Nov 26 2006, 03:14 AM
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Allievi Regionali B Group: Helpers Posts: 6,764 Joined: 30-October 05 From: Israel Member No.: 787 |
He is saying that we are special, have something extra and we will bounce back. Of cource it's all true but this have nothing to do with the assumption that we are probably won't win anything this season. We had bad seasons before and I'm sure most of you remember them and it's o.k cuz it's impossible to be on top all the time but of course it's only temporary.
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Nov 26 2006, 03:36 AM
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Allievi Regionali B Group: Helpers Posts: 6,764 Joined: 30-October 05 From: Israel Member No.: 787 |
mistake
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Nov 26 2006, 04:21 AM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 8,465 Joined: 9-March 06 Member No.: 1,388 |
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 25 2006, 07:54 PM) go f@ck yourself mishie... what makes you think you're so special?? You're superior right and I'm just one of those inside the mass that simply don't 'get it'... Like I had to wait from your likes to teach me what Milan is... Cut the cr@p now would you?? Take it easy bud... I think you are misunderstanding what I'm trying to say in this thread. I have been getting depressed lately JUST because of Milan. I have so much love for the red & black that it bothers me greatly when I see my beloved club going through SO MUCH F@CKING $HIT!! It makes my blood boil.... And lately, with all the dissapointing news and everything else, I was really hopless about Milan and what the future may hold for us.... But after reading that quote and realising that Milan IS made of a great group of success-minded people, I have no doubt that we will get through this. As the management and the players have been saying. WE SHALL OVERCOME!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif) This post has been edited by pKillerMax: Nov 26 2006, 04:22 AM |
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Nov 26 2006, 10:31 AM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Nov 26 2006, 05:21 AM) I have been getting depressed lately JUST because of Milan. I have so much love for the red & black that it bothers me greatly when I see my beloved club going through SO MUCH F@CKING $HIT!! It makes my blood boil.... And lately, with all the dissapointing news and everything else, I was really hopless about Milan and what the future may hold for us.... But after reading that quote and realising that Milan IS made of a great group of success-minded people, I have no doubt that we will get through this. As the management and the players have been saying. WE SHALL OVERCOME!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif) I understand that pKillerMax!! I feel exactly the same way!! But mishie thinks that when "my sort of people" speak about possible solutions to our problem that they are "incapable of understanding the true virtue of Milan" or something... Well try being creative mishie, it's easy to always post 'Milan's great' isn't it?? We already know it, what are you trying to win, empathy? |
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Nov 26 2006, 11:05 AM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 8,465 Joined: 9-March 06 Member No.: 1,388 |
You can just call me Max. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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Nov 26 2006, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Nov 26 2006, 01:54 AM) go f@ck yourself mishie... what makes you think you're so special?? You're superior right and I'm just one of those inside the mass that simply don't 'get it'... Like I had to wait from your likes to teach me what Milan is... Cut the cr@p now would you?? You're right I don't believe in Milan's future... thus the 4500+ posts... I just love to post (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) i will not be spoken to like that (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) were did i say or imply i'm superior to you or anyone come to that? your 4500+ are irrelevant numbers that mean nothing so don't go there with that we should always respect other views and i have not disrespected you in anyway so don't disrespect me |
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Nov 26 2006, 07:24 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
It's not the number of posts it's the time that I've spent here... do you think I would be around if I didn't believe in Milan?? Obviously you do as "I'm that sort of people that never see the upside"!!
and yes I find this disrespectful as well... QUOTE (mishie @ Nov 25 2006, 11:56 PM) it's the the way of the world i'm afraid if theres a problem throw money at it,apportion blame never take responsability ps I'm sorry for I said a word too many!! |
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Nov 26 2006, 07:42 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 2,623 Joined: 26-December 05 From: Inghilterra Member No.: 1,072 |
QUOTE (mishie @ Nov 25 2006, 09:56 PM) it's the the way of the world i'm afraid if theres a problem throw money at it,apportion blame never take responsability but there is a way, a philosophy to follow lets hope sometimes we can achieve it (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) thats the whole quote when i said we i mean everybody the whole world in general to make it a better place i would never doubt your commitment to milan i have seen the passion in your post so i'm sorry if it came across that way. my optomistic outlook sometimes p***** peole off for that i apologise to but thats the way i am sometimes the pessimistic outlook gets me down but we are after the same out come and that's to win (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Nov 26 2006, 07:50 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
QUOTE (mishie @ Nov 26 2006, 08:42 PM) ... we are after the same out come and that's to win (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ofcourse that's what we both want... My posts may be/sound negative from time to time but I (will) always believe in Milan... and that's why I got irritated cause I though you implied the opposite!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Nov 26 2006, 07:52 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 2,623 Joined: 26-December 05 From: Inghilterra Member No.: 1,072 |
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 26 2006, 06:50 PM) ofcourse that's what we both want... My posts may be/sound negative from time to time but I (will) always believe in Milan... and that's why I got irritated cause I though you implied the opposite!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) i'm sorry my words came across that way my friend they didn't mean to cause you upset (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) |
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Nov 26 2006, 08:03 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
QUOTE (mishie @ Nov 26 2006, 08:52 PM) i'm sorry my words came across that way my friend they didn't mean to cause you upset (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I think you did it intentionally!! (IMG:http://coolsmileys.net/angry/evil3.gif) And now that this is settled... sh1t let's get back to it and kill some time till the Coppa game!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) PS You registered on MaXxed too, right? |
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Nov 26 2006, 08:12 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 2,623 Joined: 26-December 05 From: Inghilterra Member No.: 1,072 |
yes been watching milan vs fiorentina from the 92/93 season
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Nov 26 2006, 08:12 PM
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Smoking Bianco Group: Helpers Posts: 14,039 Joined: 15-August 05 From: KWT Member No.: 191 |
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Nov 26 2006, 08:13 PM
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Smoking Bianco Group: Helpers Posts: 14,039 Joined: 15-August 05 From: KWT Member No.: 191 |
QUOTE (mishie @ Nov 26 2006, 10:12 PM) yes been watching milan vs fiorentina from the 92/93 season What a match !!!! Those were the days (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif) |
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Nov 26 2006, 08:17 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 2,623 Joined: 26-December 05 From: Inghilterra Member No.: 1,072 |
dst i take it you are registered there to?
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Nov 26 2006, 08:33 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 26 2006, 09:12 PM) Awww they made up .. How cute (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Shut up!! QUOTE (mishie @ Nov 26 2006, 09:17 PM) dst i take it you are registered there to? yap!! It's been a while actually... but only for the videos!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I downloaded the game vs Viola myself but have not watched it yet cause I've been watching Italy's (well... Maldini's (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) WC '94 games (look for them - there are 2, one vs Ireland and one against Spain)... I guess I know what to expect from that Milan team... (please don't post any spoilers) |
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Nov 26 2006, 11:35 PM
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Kaka's fangirl, and proud =] Group: Helpers Posts: 2,334 Joined: 26-October 06 From: Vienna, AUSTRIA Member No.: 2,687 |
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 25 2006, 04:41 PM) visa-versa!!? Typo or... you mean like by the Moggi-way using a Visa? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) they guy wrote a whole essay and this is all you came up with... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Well pKillerMax this is a nice post... BUT it sounds more like a funeral oration to me than a morale boosting point; we know Milan is special, that's what drove us into her in the first place. We love her for she's special in every little thing like when our players walked out of Nou Camp with their hands held high and clapping instead of yelling for the disallowed goal... But this is not about being special... I really can't get what you're trying to say here; IMO this team, due to several factors, wants but can't... that is in it all... right now... we're "specially unequipped" (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) pff... I was in school, and I had class at that moment LOL it's still interesting knowing from whom he quoted.... |
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Nov 27 2006, 04:58 AM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 8,465 Joined: 9-March 06 Member No.: 1,388 |
QUOTE (mchanna @ Nov 26 2006, 04:35 PM) it's still interesting knowing from whom he quoted.... I can't tell... |
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