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Serie A - Week 11 - Sampdoria - Milan, Date: 8/11/2014 Time: 20:45 CET |
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Nov 7 2014, 03:19 PM
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Probable line-up: Diego Lopez; De Sciglio, Rami, Bonera, Armero; Poli, De Jong, Bonaventura; Honda, Menez, El Shaarawy. Muntari, Alex and Abate unavailable. Yay for Bonera! (IMG: style_emoticons/default/king.gif) That's more or less the same formation that lost to Palermo. Why won't Pippo consider something different than this 4-3-3 which just doesn't seem to work for us?
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Nov 7 2014, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 7 2014, 02:19 PM)  Probable line-up: Diego Lopez; De Sciglio, Rami, Bonera, Armero; Poli, De Jong, Bonaventura; Honda, Menez, El Shaarawy. Muntari, Alex and Abate unavailable. Yay for Bonera! (IMG: style_emoticons/default/king.gif) That's more or less the same formation that lost to Palermo. Why won't Pippo consider something different than this 4-3-3 which just doesn't seem to work for us? That defence will concede several goals. That midfield is as creative as I am. The attack is pathetic. We suck.
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Nov 7 2014, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 7 2014, 03:19 PM)  Probable line-up: Diego Lopez; De Sciglio, Rami, Bonera, Armero; Poli, De Jong, Bonaventura; Honda, Menez, El Shaarawy. Muntari, Alex and Abate unavailable. Yay for Bonera! (IMG: style_emoticons/default/king.gif) That's more or less the same formation that lost to Palermo. Why won't Pippo consider something different than this 4-3-3 which just doesn't seem to work for us? When he won't consider Mexes even if it means playing Bonera you know there are some serious issues there What's wrong with Zapata? I think the midfield looks good, although I'd prefer VG over Poli at this point. And I don't know how many times we have to see that front trio fail before he's illuminated and changes something, Menez in the false 9 is ridiculous, and just gives him even more liberties to be selfish And why is Muntari not available? Isn't his suspension over?
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Nov 7 2014, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 7 2014, 05:51 PM)  Injured. Hallelujah!!!! (IMG: style_emoticons/default/fiesta.gif) I don't wish anything bad upon him, but seriously, not having him in the squad is a relief
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Nov 7 2014, 07:48 PM
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Update: Diego Lopez; Bonera, Rami, Mexes, De Sciglio; Bonaventura, De Jong, Essien; Honda, Menez, El Shaarawy
Better defense, worse midfield. It's like a step forward should always be accompanied by a step backwards. Inzaghi's spell so far in a nutshell.
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Nov 7 2014, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 7 2014, 07:48 PM)  Update: Diego Lopez; Bonera, Rami, Mexes, De Sciglio; Bonaventura, De Jong, Essien; Honda, Menez, El Shaarawy
Better defense, worse midfield. It's like a step forward should always be accompanied by a step backwards. Inzaghi's spell so far in a nutshell. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG: style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Nov 7 2014, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 7 2014, 10:07 PM)  I'm losing patience with him. Mexes will have a disaster, I guarantee it. He, Rami and Bonera is the football defence equivalent of spontaneous combustion.
But yes, he makes one change we like, but has to accompany it with some c*ck up elsewhere. I cannot agree with you about Mexes or Rami. Yet you conveniently leave out Zapata who made 2 crucial errors just last week to cost us 2 goals. Rami is an okay defender, I've always said this about him, nothing spectacular but isn't prone to making the kind of errors that either Zapata or Bonera make on occasion. He's stable enough, he won't pull off any miracles, but he's decent enough to do the job. Zapata on the other hand has that more spectacular edge to him because he can pull off the great recovering tackle every now and then and his speed does help him a lot, but he is very prone to having that one blackout game where everything he does goes wrong. Add to that his suspect passing and I'd prefer the more stable if less spectacular player to him any day of the week. But my main issue with both these 2 is that they need to be next to someone strong who can lead the line, otherwise they crumble. You cannot say the same about Mexes. He is capable of leading the line, and like it or not, our best defensive runs throughout the last 2 seasons came when he was the first pick for the CB pairing. He did this both with Rami last season and the previous one with Zapata (when we had the best defensive record along with Juve from January through May). Mexes is a leader in defence, and no, I've never seen him once have a nightmare night ala Bonera or Zapata, not once in a Milan shirt has he fallen into those diabolical levels. Am I saying he's perfect or World Class? Absolutely not, he has his faults and has made minor errors throughout his time with us because he does at times let his concentration slip, especially when we're comfortable. But if we're looking at our defenders, I'd say he's still our most naturally talented defender. Positioning, awareness, comfort on the ball, anticipation, he's still our best player in that area, and to leave him out when we're having so many problems in that position is criminal imo
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Nov 7 2014, 10:29 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 7 2014, 09:23 PM)  I cannot agree with you about Mexes or Rami. Of course, you wh*re them off at every chance you get, so why should this time be any different? QUOTE Yet you conveniently leave out Zapata who made 2 crucial errors just last week to cost us 2 goals. I didn't conveniently 'leave out Zapata', I was reflecting on the 3 defenders selected - Bonera, Mexes and Rami. QUOTE Rami is an okay defender, I've always said this about him, nothing spectacular but isn't prone to making the kind of errors that either Zapata or Bonera make on occasion. He's stable enough, he won't pull off any miracles, but he's decent enough to do the job. Except when he isn't. QUOTE Zapata on the other hand has that more spectacular edge to him because he can pull off the great recovering tackle every now and then and his speed does help him a lot, but he is very prone to having that one blackout game where everything he does goes wrong. Add to that his suspect passing and I'd prefer the more stable if less spectacular player to him any day of the week. And here you are wanting stable while equally lobbying for the football defender equivalent of TNT, Philip Mexes. QUOTE But my main issue with both these 2 is that they need to be next to someone strong who can lead the line, otherwise they crumble.
You cannot say the same about Mexes. He is capable of leading the line, and like it or not, our best defensive runs throughout the last 2 seasons came when he was the first pick for the CB pairing. He did this both with Rami last season and the previous one with Zapata (when we had the best defensive record along with Juve from January through May). Mexes is a leader in defence, and no, I've never seen him once have a nightmare night ala Bonera or Zapata, not once in a Milan shirt has he fallen into those diabolical levels.
Am I saying he's perfect or World Class? Absolutely not, he has his faults and has made minor errors throughout his time with us because he does at times let his concentration slip, especially when we're comfortable. But if we're looking at our defenders, I'd say he's still our most naturally talented defender. Positioning, awareness, comfort on the ball, anticipation, he's still our best player in that area, and to leave him out when we're having so many problems in that position is criminal imo Han, please stop repeating your gushing praise of Mexes to me, I'm just not listening. If he has a great game (if selected) I'll praise him. If he has a stinker I'll criticise him. But neither one will change my opinion overall so stop going on about it!
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Nov 7 2014, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 7 2014, 10:29 PM)  Of course, you wh*re them off at every chance you get, so why should this time be any different?
I didn't conveniently 'leave out Zapata', I was reflecting on the 3 defenders selected - Bonera, Mexes and Rami.
Except when he isn't.
And here you are wanting stable while equally lobbying for the football defender equivalent of TNT, Philip Mexes.
Han, please stop repeating your gushing praise of Mexes to me, I'm just not listening. If he has a great game (if selected) I'll praise him. If he has a stinker I'll criticise him.
But neither one will change my opinion overall so stop going on about it! Wh@ring Mexes and Rami? (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Again, when did Mexes ever have a game where he was the single reason that we lost? I urge you to find that one game and point it out to me so I can re-watch, maybe then I'll open my eyes to what you see. I responded to this because you're constantly saying this about Mexes when he's brought up but I've never once seen him have the types of games that Bonera or Zapata have had in our shirt, yet you call him spontaneous combustion and TNT? Sorry but I just cannot understand where you got this picture of Mexes in your head from. Same goes for Rami really, he's nothing special (again how is me saying this wh@ring him out?) but he usually gets the job done and never has he so far made the type of mistakes that Bonera and Zapata have made. Btw, why is Zapata not included?
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Nov 8 2014, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 7 2014, 10:56 PM)  Dunno, ask Pippo.
(get it now?) Is he not called up?
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Nov 8 2014, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 8 2014, 12:07 AM)  I'm losing patience with him. Mexes will have a disaster, I guarantee it. He, Rami and Bonera is the football defence equivalent of spontaneous combustion.
But yes, he makes one change we like, but has to accompany it with some c*ck up elsewhere. If he decided to go with Essien it's probably because Bonaventura still has injury issues. Don't see any other reason to be honest.
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Nov 8 2014, 08:42 PM
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Just looking at that starting line-up I'm actually really baffled now as to why we even bothered with Armero as well. DS on the right because abate is unavailable and what does Pippo do? Leave Armero on the bench and start with f@cking Bonera!
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Nov 8 2014, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 8 2014, 07:58 PM)  OFFICIAL: Diego Lopez; De Sciglio, Mexes, Rami, Bonera; Essien, De Jong, Bonaventura; Honda, Menez, El Shaarawy.
Seriously can't believe Pippo is playing Essien. What the flying f*ck?! Quoting this here x-off since you seemingly got turned around (IMG: style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Nov 8 2014, 08:55 PM
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STEPHANN!!!!!
Great goal!!!!!
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Nov 8 2014, 08:56 PM
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THAT'S why I never gave up on him! He has the talent
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Nov 8 2014, 09:27 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 8 2014, 09:23 PM)  Your reaction of "I always believed in him!" seemed a bit much, given he's been **** for 2 years.
As for being happy for him. I seem to remember me saying similar when strikers you dislike have scored, and you've mocked them for scoring. Are you seriously talking about Matri here? And yes, I've always believed that SES had the talent to make it even while you guys trashed him and stopped believing in him on the basis of a ridiculous haircut
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Nov 8 2014, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 8 2014, 09:25 PM)  lol Mexes What happened? My stream cut off
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Nov 8 2014, 09:30 PM
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Nice marking Bonera...
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Nov 8 2014, 09:33 PM
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Before that brain fart I was just about to say that we looked relatively okay in defence so far
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Nov 8 2014, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 8 2014, 09:42 PM)  Yes, we looked OK defensively. That was such a stupid goal to concede though... Well Bonera had the pleasure of taking a piggy back ride on Okaka...
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Nov 8 2014, 09:54 PM
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(IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) So terrible on these set-pieces
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Nov 8 2014, 09:56 PM
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Bonera is getting creamed any time Okaka runs at him on the left side
I really cannot understand why Pippo would once again rely on him to start after the f@ck ups he's made this season
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Nov 8 2014, 10:01 PM
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Completely lost the plot
Get Essien the f@ck out of there!!!
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Nov 8 2014, 10:02 PM
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Menez is really starting to p!ss me the f@ckk off big time!!!
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Nov 8 2014, 10:04 PM
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Cannot hold onto the ball for longer than a few second, Menez and Essien keep losing it when they touch it
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Nov 8 2014, 10:06 PM
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Penalty!!
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Nov 8 2014, 10:06 PM
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Did a Pique there
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Nov 8 2014, 10:07 PM
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I feel like he's going to miss, he's been that sh!t these last few games
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Nov 8 2014, 10:08 PM
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GOAL!!
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Nov 8 2014, 10:21 PM
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FFS!! MENEZ!!!
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Nov 8 2014, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 8 2014, 10:22 PM)  Like playing out a scene out of fifty shades (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
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Nov 8 2014, 10:24 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 8 2014, 10:22 PM)  Wow, Menez, what an individualistic prick! If I was Torres I'd b!tch slap him for that
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Nov 8 2014, 10:26 PM
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Menez's over-dribbling is so frustrating I seriously cannot take it much more. Taraabt 2.0
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Nov 8 2014, 10:33 PM
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if Torres had any actual decent service, he'd be good for us.
He does all the build up stuff so well but no one helps him out
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Nov 8 2014, 10:35 PM
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Bringing on VG now would be a huge slap to the face, so disrespectful!
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Nov 8 2014, 10:40 PM
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I actually thought we were pretty good in that second half, it's the only time I've seen us press the opposition into their own half with any sort of purpose throughout the entire season
The defending again though. First was the typical Bonera blunder, it has become customary for him to mess up each time he's on that pitch, the second was typical off a set-piece. For the life of me I cannot understand why they cannot defend these, who was supposed to be marking the initial player who headed it onto the post? Because that's terrible marking right there and is the reason why we conceded on it.
Also Essien was the one who tried to dribble and lost the ball which led to the corner we conceded on.
These types of errors are just maddening to watch. If it's not Muntari it's Zapata, if it's not Zapata it's Bonera, if not Bonera then Essien! FFS!
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Nov 8 2014, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 8 2014, 10:36 PM)  WTF?! Last minutes for MVG? Elected not to bring him on for a few seconds. It would have been disgusting had he gone through with it Especially after what he himself went through under Allegri
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Nov 8 2014, 10:52 PM
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This one is the last straw for me. With both the manager and the team.
1: What a ludicrous team selection that was. Yes, it actually played bizarrely well up till El-Sha's brilliant goal, but thereafter it just spontaneously combusted as I fully predicted it would.
2: If Pippo would rather play Bonera at LB rather than a world cup quarter finalist there, I'm done with him.
3: Down to 10 men and we bring on Poli for RB rather than putting MDS back over there and bringing on a world cup quarter finalist LB for LB.
4: Van Ginkel gets 20 seconds on the pitch. How fucking DARE Pippo do that to someone, knowing how vile it was for Allegri to do it to him.
Absolutely disgusted with everything about this team, and its management.
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Lopez: 8 Some very good saves, and good kick outs too. Second match in a row he's our best player.
Bonera: 4 One outstanding block in the first half was countered by every other disastrous thing he did, but he didn't select himself.
MDS: 6 Fantastic first half at RB (really good display there, against my better judgement) but then went to pieces as he got shunted over to left.
Rami: 5 Far too loose at the cross for the first goal, and should have conceded at least one penalty. Mediocre.
Mexes: 5 Got himself booked early following a fucking ridiculous tackle after actually a good start, and it stopped him being able to defend with any major vigour thereafter.
Essien: 6 Let's be fair, he actually played ok. Best he's done in a while and didn't cost us any goals.
De Jong: 6 Second meh display (by his standards) in a row from him. Looks like this woeful team is starting to wear him down.
Bona: 6 Hard working and bright in places but his role is unclear.
El-Sha: 7 Stunning goal and worked tirelessly all night. But not enough of an attacking threat apart from the goal. Our best outfield player though and best he's played in some time.
Honda: 4 Barely registered. Inneffectual as increasingly common.
Menez: 1 for the goal. As a tweet I saw tonight summed him up: his PS3 controller doesn't have an X button. He's the most selfish player I've ever seen.
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Torres: 2 Zip.
Poli: 2 Pointless and stupid sub.
MvG: N/A
Pippo - -10 Inzaghi picked a lousy team, and it defied its own quality to play not bad at all first half till we scored, then it spontaneously combusted thanks to the defence and as Pippo made more idiotic changes it got even worse.
While I disagreed with X on the Juve performance, I have to agree with him now that Pippo is just not Milan manager material. And to do that to MvG where the Milan world condemned Allegri for doing the same to him all those years ago shows he's actually a bit of a pr*ck.
Armero as well must be wondering what he's doing here when his boss would rather pick a crude CH over him at LB, then a DM.
I'm actually speechless by what is happening to my Club.
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Nov 8 2014, 11:25 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 8 2014, 11:08 PM)  Tonight hasn't changed anything?
He scored a great goal, but then Honda's scored several this season and is absolutely gash.
SES had a good game, nothing more. I still don't believe in him till he does it at least once every 3 games, not once every 18 months. We'll see what happens with him, he needed the goal so the pressure could be taken off of him, look at his face after he scored, it was clear as to how much this drought was weighing on him As for his performances in general, imo they're always good, if he's not pulling his weight in the attacking department because of bad form, then he always does his best to be useful to the team, he tracks back, helps out in midfield and generally works his @ss of for the team. For me that's what's important, and it's why I know that with that and his natural talent he will make it. I still don't agree with his positioning as he's not a winger imo, but with that kind of work ethic I'm sure he'll make it It's what convinced me to stick with Abate through these years as well
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Nov 9 2014, 12:56 AM
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Agreed with many of your prior comments.
I think it's clear we have a big mentality issue. Something's just wrong with the team. We started off rather well up until SES scored. Then we did what happened before as well - we backed out and invited Sampdoria to attack us. Then after we scored the second goal, we started playing well again. All this indicates we have serious form, consistency and mentality issues.
Am I the only one who thinks Bonera had a good match? The red card he got was in the dying minutes when he was left out wide against a stronger and faster opponent. He was a fullback, which suggests that the main fault lies on Rami/Mexes.
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Nov 9 2014, 03:42 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 9 2014, 01:34 AM)  Well, you know what I meant... When we went 1 up having dominated play I was on the verge of describing it the performance of the season. We just stopped attacking thereafter and let them back in. Then capitulated totally on conceding a second. If I'm at my most generous I could praise the side for getting a point, but I'm not at my most generous. We blew a good display and a lead and conspired to ruin it - combination of poor play and poor management. Kinda can see what folk mean when they say outwith Roma and Juve this league is actually rather poor. Any side can get third, but not if they blow chances like we did tonight. The only bizarre thing is Inter are even worse than we are. Milan clubs are in a desperately sorry state.
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Nov 9 2014, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 8 2014, 11:56 PM)  Words don't always fail me but they do here.
Pippo isn't just out of his depth, he really is turning into a grade A w*nker. Did he really f@cking say that?? Unbelievable! QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 9 2014, 12:56 AM)  Agreed with many of your prior comments.
I think it's clear we have a big mentality issue. Something's just wrong with the team. We started off rather well up until SES scored. Then we did what happened before as well - we backed out and invited Sampdoria to attack us. Then after we scored the second goal, we started playing well again. All this indicates we have serious form, consistency and mentality issues.
Am I the only one who thinks Bonera had a good match? The red card he got was in the dying minutes when he was left out wide against a stronger and faster opponent. He was a fullback, which suggests that the main fault lies on Rami/Mexes. I think the "plan" when we do take the early lead is to sit back and counter on the opposition, the only problem with that "plan" is that we can't defend even if our lives depended on it For us, sitting on a 1 goal lead atm is pure suicide. The only time this plan worked was against Lazio. We scored early and countered on them, every other game where we took an early lead has been a nightmare so far. You know the goal is coming but for some reason they just don't push for the second, and seem to lose the plot as well, which in turn invites on more pressure, which forces us into making silly mistakes. As for Bonera, he was diabolical!! The first goal was him, not Rami. Okaka was playing on his side all game long and literally turned him inside out. On the first goal Bonera just ran along side him, he just couldn't handle him physically and his positioning was even worse, so not only was his positioning off, he didn't have the physical capacity to recover his bad positioning once Okaka got in behind him (which happened multiple times) Like Danny, I really do feel that we started off with probably some of our best football of the season, but again, we scored early and completely dropped off, the second half was also pretty great imo, it was the first time this season where I really saw us pushing our opposition back deep into their own half and really bombarding them, then Bonera got sent off and we were back on the back foot (naturally)
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Nov 9 2014, 01:48 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 9 2014, 11:08 AM)  As for Bonera, he was diabolical!! The first goal was him, not Rami. Okaka was playing on his side all game long and literally turned him inside out. On the first goal Bonera just ran along side him, he just couldn't handle him physically and his positioning was even worse, so not only was his positioning off, he didn't have the physical capacity to recover his bad positioning once Okaka got in behind him (which happened multiple times) Rami let the cross in too easy, and Bonera let his man goal side. Both unforgiveable. QUOTE Like Danny, I really do feel that we started off with probably some of our best football of the season, but again, we scored early and completely dropped off, the second half was also pretty great imo, it was the first time this season where I really saw us pushing our opposition back deep into their own half and really bombarding them, then Bonera got sent off and we were back on the back foot (naturally) I won't lie, I zoned out once we conceded the second. Knew we weren't getting more than a point. And with those comical subs my case wasn't really weakened.
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Nov 18 2014, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 18 2014, 03:32 PM)  Derby thread, anyone? I'll put it up tomorrow
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