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Serie A - Week 8 - Milan - Fiorentina, Date: 26/10/2014 Time: 20:45 CET |
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Oct 20 2014, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 20 2014, 04:23 PM)  Good chance of a win - I'd go with:
----------Abbiati (he's earned it)
Abate---Alex-------Zapata-----Armero
-----Bona-----De Jong------MvG
----------------Honda
-------Menez------------SES
Torres is woeful at the moment, and SES is showing industry, but no attacking flair because he's playing too deep.
So that's what I'd pick. How good that midfield would be. I believe Bona will start this one, but it will be with either Poli or Muntari. I'd be more than fine if it's with Poli. My prediction: Lopez Abate - Alex - Rami - MDS Bona - De Jong - Muntari Honda - Menez - SES PS: Danny, it's true that Abbiati was super against Verona, but that's just like him. He has an amazing game followed by 2-3 shoddy performances. Plus let's not forget the guy is 37. If fit, Lopez has to start.
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Oct 20 2014, 08:02 PM
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I like both line-ups you guys put out (minus Muntari in what x-off is predicting of course). However, I'd still go ahead with Torres for now, the Menez in the false 9 position only worked in those 2 opening games then it sort of went downhill from there.
Plus I think you guys are neglecting what Torres as a pure CF brings to the 4-3-3 Pippo uses, Just see which one of Menez or SES is in the best form to start the game and play one of them on the left.
As for DS, I'd still go with him over Armero, for me a FB is not just about his running up and down the flank, it means being a defender too, and DS is that, Armero not so much
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Oct 24 2014, 03:18 PM
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Mediaset line-up: Diego Lopez; Abate, Alex, Rami, De Sciglio; Poli, De Jong, Muntari; Honda, Torres, El Shaarawy.
If Pippo doesn't play Bonaventura and Menez again, I'll be pissed.
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Oct 24 2014, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 24 2014, 03:18 PM)  Mediaset line-up: Diego Lopez; Abate, Alex, Rami, De Sciglio; Poli, De Jong, Muntari; Honda, Torres, El Shaarawy.
If Pippo doesn't play Bonaventura and Menez again, I'll be pissed. Attack is okay imo, Defence is good. But that midfield AGAIN! When he has so many players to choose from all of which bring in much better qualities to our midfield than f@cking Muntari. Getting so sick of this. The only way we'll be rid of him is if he has a nightmare showing ala Bonera, otherwise we're stuck with him. Just play Bona, DJ and Poli FFS
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Oct 24 2014, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 24 2014, 02:18 PM)  Mediaset line-up: Diego Lopez; Abate, Alex, Rami, De Sciglio; Poli, De Jong, Muntari; Honda, Torres, El Shaarawy.
If Pippo doesn't play Bonaventura and Menez again, I'll be pissed. Hope that's wrong wrong wrong. Absolutely absurd to play Rami, Poli, and Muntari when we have Zapata, Van Ginkel and Bonaventura. And to have the ever-underperforming El-Sha as attack instead of Menez again is comical. Ditto Torres who's been a total failure since he left Liverpool and ain't showing us any signs he can do it here. So...I'll just assume that's way wrong.
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Oct 24 2014, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 24 2014, 03:52 PM)  Both are one player off being really good. But as it stands both are mediocre at best. Rami is a liability, and Alex is having to clean up after him. MDS is in bad form but I'll forgive that as we know how good he can be.
And attack is a mess. SES, Torres and Honda - SES cannot offer anything up top (neither is Torres for that matter), and Menez' absence is ludicrous.
Another frustrating selection if it turns out to be accurate. Rami is a liability but you want Zapata? Nah man, you just like Zapata, Zapata can be a huge liability as well, especially his passing, at least Rami can make a simple pass out of defence so that's one less thing to worry about. I think the defence is good. Attack was a toss up between SES and Menez and I think Stephan deserves to start after the game he played last Sunday and as I said, I think Torres is very crucial for our attack, even if he's not scoring atm. My only issue (which has been the case throughout this season so far) is that midfield. Muntari again, after weeks of being a complete liability in our midfield, he still gets to start when there are Van Ginkel and Bona rotting on the bench, just unfathomable how this guy gets to start each week when he offers nothing to our game aside from trying to assist the opposition. That's the only area where I wish the prediction is incorrect, however, going be recent trend, I think it's spot on, especially midfield, that's the midfield Pippo usually goes for. QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 24 2014, 04:36 PM)  I absolutely cannot stand him, but I'd never wish that on anyone
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Oct 24 2014, 10:08 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 24 2014, 09:41 PM)  So the bit where he can't actually f*cking defend is ok? No, because that's not true and you know it. Him and Alex are doing a solid job and unless he does something Bonera-like, I see no reason to disrupt the continuity that Pippo has finally managed to achieve with the back 4, we can only improve defensively if we have a set back 4
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Oct 25 2014, 08:20 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 24 2014, 10:20 PM)  Hm, solid is an overestimation. Alex has been a rock, but Rami has been very shaky. I said him AND Alex, meaning as a pairing in these last 2 games they're doing a solid job. The problem in defence are mostly caused by our inept midfield, not because of the individuals in defence. Danny, I don't think that's the case with Rami at all, but I would put that same label on Zapata. To each his own, we all see what we want to see at times. Still I think Pippo is going to go ahead with the Alex Rami pairing for now. @ acid, you think everything is a joke (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) @ x-off's joke, I didn't really get it because I know you can't stand him as much as I do so it wouldn't be inconceivable to wish a long term injury on him so he'd finally be out of our hair for a while. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Oct 25 2014, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 25 2014, 01:20 PM)  @ acid, you think everything is a joke Not this one, Han. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I'm terribly offended by your statement above. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) (IMG: style_emoticons/default/angry.gif) (IMG: style_emoticons/default/realmad.gif) (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 25 2014, 04:39 PM)  Yeah, but Han is a pacifist, so he doesn't get these kind of jokes. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 25 2014, 04:39 PM)  (IMG: style_emoticons/default/sleepysmiley03.gif)
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Oct 25 2014, 08:30 PM
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Update: Abbiati; Abate, Alex, Rami, De Sciglio; Poli, De Jong, Muntari; Honda, Menez, El Shaarawy.
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Oct 25 2014, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 25 2014, 08:30 PM)  Update: Abbiati; Abate, Alex, Rami, De Sciglio; Poli, De Jong, Muntari; Honda, Menez, El Shaarawy. And midfield still the same. Just about to give up on hoping that we'll ever see a proper midfield out there again at this point.
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Oct 25 2014, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 25 2014, 07:30 PM)  Update: Abbiati; Abate, Alex, Rami, De Sciglio; Poli, De Jong, Muntari; Honda, Menez, El Shaarawy. Not sure how there can be an update, Pippo said today he's choosing tomorrow 2 from SES, Torres and Menez, and that Honda definitely starts. Any lineups right now are complete guesswork.
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Oct 26 2014, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 25 2014, 10:03 PM)  Not sure how there can be an update, Pippo said today he's choosing tomorrow 2 from SES, Torres and Menez, and that Honda definitely starts.
Any lineups right now are complete guesswork. I would believe that Pippo has a clear idea on who to play before then, mediaset and Gazzetta go off the training selections, so I wouldn't be surprised if they're 100% correct on that last prediction. Defence and midfield are certainly correct, only one doubt in attack but I wouldn't be surprised to see him going back to Menez in the false 9 position
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Oct 26 2014, 07:57 PM
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Abbiati; Abate, Alex, Zapata, De Sciglio; Poli, De Jong, Muntari; Honda, Menez, El Shaarawy.
bench: Diego Lopez, Agazzi, Armero, Bonera, Rami, Essien, Saponara, Van Ginkel, Bonaventure, Niang, Pazzini, Torres.
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Oct 26 2014, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE (KillerMax @ Oct 26 2014, 08:40 PM)  Horrible line up IMO. Fiorentina have been pretty terrible so far so that's my only hope. I think the midfield three is toothless and I think Menez and El Shaa just don't get along on the pitch. Here's hoping for the best but I'm not holding my breath. I'm mostly p!ssed off about that midfield. Especially when Bona is sitting on the bench, just ridiculous how Muntari has an automatic starting spot on this team!
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Oct 26 2014, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Oct 26 2014, 08:56 PM)  Muntari goes in late already. Careful, you'll be branded as Muntari obsessed
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Oct 26 2014, 09:01 PM
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We just don't know how to keep possession in midfield, none of our players in there are built for that
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Oct 26 2014, 09:02 PM
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Muntari twice in late with 2 terrible tackles.
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Oct 26 2014, 09:10 PM
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@ Jack S. Notice how our midfield cannot for the life of them string more than 3 to 4 passes together at a given time.
Please tell me again how playing so many DMs/muscle players in the midfield is beneficial for us, we can't get the ball to the attackers and Fiorentina have the upper hand atm
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Oct 26 2014, 09:11 PM
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DE JONG!!!!
For once we made good use of a set-piece
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Oct 26 2014, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 26 2014, 09:13 PM)  Only positive thing I see is that we're utilizing our wide players well...I believe we're basically relying on wide play because we don't have anyone that can create anything in the middle. Only on the right side mostly though. Mostly because both Honda and Abate take the initiative to run at people. Menez is so individualistic. Just pass FFS!
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Oct 26 2014, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 26 2014, 09:16 PM)  Yep, although Sharaawy is doing it too.
Totally agreed about Menez.. Yeah, but it's more difficult for him because he barely has any support on that side, DS seems pretty clueless this season in terms of pushing forward, and Muntari is Muntari. Most of the times that he manages to make a run at their defence is after recovering the ball himself
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Oct 26 2014, 09:20 PM
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My god!! Zapata and his passing will give me a heart attack one of these days.
As I was saying to Danny, he does this thing at least once in every game
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Oct 26 2014, 09:21 PM
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WTF IS ZAPATA DOING FFS????!!!
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Oct 26 2014, 09:22 PM
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De Jong twice bailing Zapata out after making 2 terrible errors.
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Oct 26 2014, 09:24 PM
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We need another goal ASAP. I really do not want to see us trying to defend a 1-0, not with the liabilities we have running around on that pitch
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Oct 26 2014, 09:25 PM
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Zapata AGAIN!! Passing right into a Fiorentina player
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Oct 26 2014, 09:34 PM
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Ht 1-0, and it wasn't really deserved
Pippo needs to change something, we need a point of reference upfront, this Menez thing as a false 9 won't work against any half decent side.
Our midfield is just completely anonymous, we just can't keep the ball for any notable length of time, Poli is MIA, Muntari (thankfully) is also MIA, De Jong doing what he can, but he's seriously not the guy you want trying to be the playmaker.
Defence is shaky but okay so far. Zapata though is just an accident waiting to happen any time he's on the ball my heart just stops
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Oct 26 2014, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE (KillerMax @ Oct 26 2014, 09:33 PM)  You just hate our black players! Yeah, I'm a big ole' racist (IMG: style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Oct 26 2014, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 26 2014, 09:33 PM)  HT
I've come to know what to expect from this Milan. We're mainly relying on getting in one goal at the start, and then waiting for the counter. Inzaghi doesn't seem to have changed anything at all about the way we play honestly.
Disappointed with how we played..but can't help feeling good about the overall score.
Zapata was just terrible, I'd prefer having Bonera there ATM.. Woah! don't go too far now! (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Oct 26 2014, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 26 2014, 09:36 PM)  Bad first half. I like how we defended and pressed their players, but is that it? Fiorentina had the initiative throughout the game. We only attacked as a unit a couple of times. It's been mostly long balls and counter attacks.
Honda was invisible except for the last 5-10 minutes. El Shaarawy did jacksh*t.
And someone should tell Zapata to stop passing the ball to the frigging opponent! He's done it THREE TIMES already. They and Abate are the only ones really taking any initiative to attack! Menez is just as invisible, the problem with our attack is the midfield. All the attacks we've initiated were mostly SES/Honda winning the ball back and running for their life with it. We just do not have a midfield. To watch Milan not be the team who has control of the game against Fiorentina at the San Siro says it all. We just cannot keep hold of the ball.
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Oct 26 2014, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 26 2014, 09:49 PM)  Menez invisible? He's been part of all our attack one way or another. If there's anyone who's been invisible, that's SES. Can't agree with that, as for Menez, he's been very frustrating more than anything else imo Holds onto the ball too long
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Oct 26 2014, 09:55 PM
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Menez, again selfish! This is what I mean
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Oct 26 2014, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 26 2014, 09:55 PM)  Was that Poli???? Beautiful!!
Fucking Menez..what the hell? Yeah, that was Poli
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Oct 26 2014, 10:06 PM
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This is what I mean about Menez, just keeps the ball soooo long trying to do everything on his own
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Oct 26 2014, 10:08 PM
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f@cking predictable!!!
WTF were they doing FFS!??
Just no midfield
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Oct 26 2014, 10:11 PM
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Make some changes FFS!!
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Oct 26 2014, 10:11 PM
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lol, Bona for Poli, Muntari stays on the pitch!
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Oct 26 2014, 10:21 PM
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About to lose 2 points stupidly when we had a massive opportunity to go third
And why are still playing with no striker FFS?
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Oct 26 2014, 10:23 PM
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What is he supposed to do this late in the game, this sub should have been made earlier
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Oct 26 2014, 10:24 PM
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Muntari trying to direct play with hand gestures is too funny
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Oct 26 2014, 10:27 PM
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Why are we playing like we're winning by 2 or 3 goals?? So lazy, just no urgency in our play at all
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Oct 26 2014, 10:41 PM
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2 lost points here
If this is what Pippo envisions for a great Milan then I really do not want to see where we go from here!
We play like a provincial side.
We don't control the game, we don't have a proper midfield, we don't take any sort initiative, just zero passion or urgency in our play in those last 20 minutes or so after they scored.
What I saw was pretty unbelievable! Last 10 minutes of the game and we're passing it around slowly as if we're winning comfortably.
Just not good enough.
Some of the players need to take a serious look at themselves, none of them seemed to be even the slightest bit put off that we weren't winning.
Zapata; horror show on the ball, DS; too lethargic, too comfortable; Muntari; his usual a-hole self, Poli; invisible for most of the game, De Jong; not a f@cking playmaker! SES; too isolated, seems like he's feeling sorry for himself atm, needs to wake the f@ck up, Menez; so f@cking selfish!!
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Oct 26 2014, 10:49 PM
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Frustration and anger don't cover my emotions right now. I need to vent. Badly. So here I go.
Abbiati 6 Had nothing to do all night except pick the ball out the net.
Abate: 6 Good work in defence, but his crossing suffered even if he made some decent runs here and there.
MDS: 1 Pitiful. Utterly absolutely shockingly dire. If he doesn't get dropped pronto I'll drive to the San Siro myself and kidnap him and stick him in a cellar. Cost us two points l on top of his other shiteness.
Alex: 7 Strong defensive display. Some vital blocks.
Zapata: 7 Occasional shakiness but still an upgrade over Rami and some excellent tackles - plus the assist.
De Jong: 8 Really good strong display and got a great goal.
Poli: 8 His best display in a Milan shirt and it was fucking ridiculous seeing him get subbed.
Muntari: 6 Some wobbiness as per but he was OK. Nothing more or less.
Menez: 3 Since Parma we have to face that this guy's been a joke. Utterly cr*p, wastes everything now.
SES: 6 His usual solid array of support in midfield and defence but inability to produce up top.
Honda: 5 Worked hard but offered absolutely nothing. His poorest show in ages.
Subs:
Bona: 3 Wow, he was terrible.
Torres: 3 No time to impact.
Pippo: 5 Got some things right, such as the defence, bar MDS, but the midfield struggled for creativity as it HAD NONE. And that 3 up front were horrendous. The subs were just ghastly.
Infuriating night where we should have been third, but we're now 6th thanks to a comical lack of urgency to score the winner, a woeful lack of quality to produce chances, and MDS' continuing nosedive into shittery.
PS: Remember MDS said a year ago he prefers to be on the right and felt more at ease there? Recently he said he prefers the left and feels more at ease there. He's a confused young man and needs desperately to be benched.
ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
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Oct 26 2014, 10:58 PM
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Prima Squadra

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Danny, you lost me when you gave Zapata a 7... Horrible, horrible, horrible display!!
He took Muntari's place as gaffe master in this one, 3 times he directed the ball to a Fiorentina player.
Poli had a half decent 2nd half but was mostly anonymous imo, I don't think he deserves an 8 (in all honesty, no one does today)
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