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 CL - Qualifying 1st Leg - PSV Eindhoven - Milan, Date: 20/08/13 Time: 20:45 CET |
 Aug 17 2013, 02:13 PM
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Prima Squadra  Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109  |
Taking the plunge by opening the first match thread of the season.
I think Balo will be ready for this one according to what's being said but there are doubts over Robinho, DS and Abate Mexes is suspended |
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Aug 17 2013, 03:13 PM
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Berretti  Group: Helpers Posts: 13,937 Joined: 26-February 08 From: Always Around Member No.: 3,736 |
A new theater of war is about to begin. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) And we have nary a warrior in the team, love it, love it!
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Aug 17 2013, 05:05 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
We're playing against some lower league team right now. Line-up: Abbiati; Abate, Mexes, Silvestre, Constant; Montolivo, De Jong, Nocerino; Boateng, Balotelli, El Shaarawy.
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Aug 17 2013, 05:08 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 17 2013, 05:05 PM)  We're playing against some lower league team right now. Line-up: Abbiati; Abate, Mexes, Silvestre, Constant; Montolivo, De Jong, Nocerino; Boateng, Balotelli, El Shaarawy. Yep, and it's a 4-3-3 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Pretty sure this is exactly how we'll line-up against PSV, maybe Muntari instead of Nocerino (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) And obviously Zapata instead of Mexes. DS is definitely still out, same with Robinho |
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Aug 17 2013, 05:08 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
Currently 4-0 SES just scored a good goal, nice to see him actually being able to dribble past people
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Aug 17 2013, 05:40 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 17 2013, 07:08 PM) Yep, and it's a 4-3-3 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Pretty sure this is exactly how we'll line-up against PSV, maybe Muntari instead of Nocerino (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) And obviously Zapata instead of Mexes. DS is definitely still out, same with Robinho Gazzetta has either Poli or Nocerino on the left, not Muntari. |
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Aug 17 2013, 05:45 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 17 2013, 05:40 PM) Gazzetta has either Poli or Nocerino on the left, not Muntari. We'll see, personally I can't see him playing both Poli and Monto in the same line-up even if their game is very different |
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Aug 17 2013, 08:18 PM
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Allievi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 7,004 Joined: 5-August 09 From: CTU Member No.: 6,705 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jusbza-LbIoT This is how Serie D team looks like.
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Aug 17 2013, 08:53 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
Niang against LA Galaxy had glimpses and today he showed them again, just flashes and I know today's opposition is most likely even worse than our Primavera side, but it's still good to see
I think that if we do manage to get Ljajic he should really be sent on loan (Genoa and Samp are very interested) he's such a frustrating player but I think he can be pretty good if he does mature, but imo, that won't happen at Milan where he's too worried about imitating/competing with Mario and won't get regular time. |
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Aug 17 2013, 09:33 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Aug 17 2013, 10:18 PM) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jusbza-LbIoT This is how Serie D team looks like. What do you mean, we're awesome. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) |
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Aug 17 2013, 10:15 PM
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Allievi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 7,004 Joined: 5-August 09 From: CTU Member No.: 6,705 |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I knew someone will take the bait.
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Aug 18 2013, 11:41 AM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
Mexes is not suspended and will play.
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Aug 18 2013, 11:50 AM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 18 2013, 11:41 AM) Mexes is not suspended and will play. Really? Well that's finally a good peace of news |
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Aug 18 2013, 12:32 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 18 2013, 12:50 PM) Really? Well that's finally a good peace of news Peace you say? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) |
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Aug 18 2013, 02:42 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 18 2013, 12:32 PM) Peace you say? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Yes, it's very peaceful to know that such news exists (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) |
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Aug 18 2013, 06:50 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,799 Joined: 17-February 09 From: Montreal Member No.: 6,245 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM3hl_B80ks
They rested some starters ...and still looked terrifyingly efficient in the final third |
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Aug 18 2013, 07:04 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
That Bakkali kid is just top notch. They have some great talent on the team no doubt. But they're all very inexperienced and their league is just completely defensively inept.
And we still have by far the better team which will only be missing De Sciglio (most likely). Not making it through against them would still be a huge failure on our part imo |
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Aug 18 2013, 08:05 PM
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Smoking Bianco Group: Helpers Posts: 14,039 Joined: 15-August 05 From: KWT Member No.: 191 |
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Aug 18 2013, 09:50 PM) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM3hl_B80ks They rested some starters ...and still looked terrifyingly efficient in the final third Though I believe we have a stronger chance of progression (for obvious reasons) .. PSV are no pushovers, they can do great damage. Especially against Milan. They need no motivation for this game, the fixture alone is enough, let alone being a 'crucial' CL qualification. I wont put any money on any team, as these fixtures are what worry me the most. |
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Aug 18 2013, 09:11 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 18 2013, 08:05 PM) Though I believe we have a stronger chance of progression (for obvious reasons) .. PSV are no pushovers, they can do great damage. Especially against Milan. They need no motivation for this game, the fixture alone is enough, let alone being a 'crucial' CL qualification. I wont put any money on any team, as these fixtures are what worry me the most. Same here, but as I said, in theory we SHOULD be able to qualify, not easily, but without too much trouble. But like usual, I'm anticipating the usual nail biter game where we play like we couldn't care less for 80 or so minutes and then start to play in the last 10 |
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Aug 18 2013, 09:50 PM
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Smoking Bianco Group: Helpers Posts: 14,039 Joined: 15-August 05 From: KWT Member No.: 191 |
Your theory han is what most, if not all, Milanfans would consider in the back of their heads ... I know my impluses and they lean towards Milan doing well. But come kickoff and Milan could very well be underseige.
The last time we played PSV, we had such a strong team, yet barely pushed through. Dont know what to expect from Montolivo and co this time around (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) |
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Aug 18 2013, 09:58 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 18 2013, 09:50 PM) Your theory han is what most, if not all, Milanfans would consider in the back of their heads ... I know my impluses and they lean towards Milan doing well. But come kickoff and Milan could very well be underseige. The last time we played PSV, we had such a strong team, yet barely pushed through. Dont know what to expect from Montolivo and co this time around (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Well by that conclusion you can also say that PSV had a pretty great team then as well, Cocu, Van Bommel, Farfan, Park, Vogel, it was a very strong team, not to mention they were coaced by Hiddink. Things are very different for both teams now, but we still have big players in the side, top international players who have played some huge matches, while their team is mostly youth, exceptionally talented youth, but still inexperienced at this level. And you really can't compare the Eredivisie teams they faced so far to us |
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Aug 18 2013, 10:12 PM
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Smoking Bianco Group: Helpers Posts: 14,039 Joined: 15-August 05 From: KWT Member No.: 191 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 19 2013, 12:58 AM) Well by that conclusion you can also say that PSV had a pretty great team then as well, Cocu, Van Bommel, Farfan, Park, Vogel, it was a very strong team, not to mention they were coaced by Hiddink. Things are very different for both teams now, but we still have big players in the side, top international players who have played some huge matches, while their team is mostly youth, exceptionally talented youth, but still inexperienced at this level. And you really can't compare the Eredivisie teams they faced so far to us PSV had a good team, not great but good team. They had players that were inferior to Milan, the Milan that reached the Istanbul final and they made us choke. Fine, PSV dont have Balotelli or Abiatti .. what they have is hunger to beat Milan. That in itself is what I am worried about. |
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Aug 18 2013, 10:38 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 18 2013, 11:11 PM) Same here, but as I said, in theory we SHOULD be able to qualify, not easily, but without too much trouble. I think we'll struggle A LOT to qualify. I'd put our chances at 60% max. |
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Aug 19 2013, 12:52 AM
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Allievi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 7,004 Joined: 5-August 09 From: CTU Member No.: 6,705 |
Plus, we need to consider that they started the season much earlier and already played 5 official matches while we only had few friendly games. We are favorites but not by much.
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Aug 19 2013, 01:51 AM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 18 2013, 11:38 PM) I think we'll struggle A LOT to qualify. I'd put our chances at 60% max. Same. |
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Aug 19 2013, 01:57 AM
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Giovanissimi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 1,309 Joined: 28-August 09 From: Chicago, IL, USA Member No.: 6,771 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 18 2013, 05:38 PM) I think we'll struggle A LOT to qualify. I'd put our chances at 60% max. You're probably about right. Gambling lines I've seen have us only as a slight favorite to win this first leg. Not sure about odds for the whole tie. |
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Aug 19 2013, 08:31 AM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 18 2013, 10:12 PM) PSV had a good team, not great but good team. They had players that were inferior to Milan, the Milan that reached the Istanbul final and they made us choke. Fine, PSV dont have Balotelli or Abiatti .. what they have is hunger to beat Milan. That in itself is what I am worried about. Milan probably had the best squad in Europe at that point, so yes it was an inferior team, but it was a very strong team still. They were very difficult to beat. They have hunger sure, but their inexperience will show imo, and our players know that these 2 games make or break their season so complacency here isn't really an option. But as I said above, our team has a habit of making life extraordinarily difficult for themselves, let's not forget how we got to this point by the skin of our teeth last season, we were 10 minutes away from blowing it. So yeah, you're right on that account, my only other major worry is the fitness levels of the team QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 18 2013, 10:38 PM) I think we'll struggle A LOT to qualify. I'd put our chances at 60% max. I'd put them at about 75% over the 2 legs QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Aug 19 2013, 12:52 AM) Plus, we need to consider that they started the season much earlier and already played 5 official matches while we only had few friendly games. We are favorites but not by much. Yeah, this is my major worry as I said above. We'll just have to see how they start out. This is why we can't afford to have a Muntari in the line-up because him giving the ball away every time he tries to pass will mean having to work twice as hard. This is a first leg so I'm not expecting some gung-ho performance, I think best solution would be to try to keep the ball, play it simple, we don't need to score (technically speaking), silence the crowd and if an opportunity comes we hope that it's Balo at the end of it. But get caught out on the counter or playing an open game against PSV would spell trouble for us QUOTE (servbot @ Aug 19 2013, 01:57 AM) You're probably about right. Gambling lines I've seen have us only as a slight favorite to win this first leg. Not sure about odds for the whole tie. Well we don't need to win the first leg, A score draw will be considered a good result for us |
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Aug 19 2013, 08:36 AM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
ha, I think you're forgetting how utterly crap we played last season, and having made almost zero improvements to the team, I can see that carrying on this season as well, starting from these two games. Remember how we almost f*cked up at Siena?
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Aug 19 2013, 08:40 AM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 19 2013, 08:36 AM) ha, I think you're forgetting how utterly crap we played last season, and having made almost zero improvements to the team, I can see that carrying on this season as well, starting from these two games. Remember how we almost f*cked up at Siena? Yeah, I mentioned that. I sort of feel the same way but on the other hand I'm hoping to see at least some improvement from the horror of last season because I honestly don't think we can play worse than we did then. Of course, I'm 90% sure that Allegri will start with a 4-3-3 again, play Prince as a winger, start Muntari/Nocerinio instead of Poli and the usual BS tactics of hitting it long for Balo when we get stuck (which is usually 10 minutes into it) |
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Aug 19 2013, 04:14 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
Squad: Abbiati, Amelia, Coppola; Abate, Constant, Mexes, Silvestre, Zaccardo, Zapata; Boateng, Cristante, De Jong, Emanuelson, Montolivo, Muntari, Nocerino, Poli; Balotelli, El Shaarawy, Niang, Petagna
Note that Antonini and Traore were not called up. I think these next few days can be crucial for sealing their moves to Turkey and Belgium respectively |
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Aug 19 2013, 08:40 PM
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Allievi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 7,004 Joined: 5-August 09 From: CTU Member No.: 6,705 |
Allegri: "I need to decide who to start between Nocerino/Muntari & Constant/Emanuelson."
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Aug 19 2013, 09:17 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 2,083 Joined: 10-August 09 From: South Carolina Member No.: 6,716 |
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Aug 19 2013, 04:40 PM) Allegri: "I need to decide who to start between Nocerino/Muntari & Constant/Emanuelson." Poli and Emmanuelson. |
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Aug 19 2013, 09:27 PM
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Allievi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 7,004 Joined: 5-August 09 From: CTU Member No.: 6,705 |
Right now it seems like Muntari and Constant.
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Aug 19 2013, 09:31 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Aug 19 2013, 09:27 PM) Right now it seems like Muntari and Constant. Did anyone expect anything else from Allegri? Let's be honest here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) We're in for another season of terrible football and even worse decisions from our "coach" |
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Aug 19 2013, 09:39 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
Muntari might play because he's suspended for the league.
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Aug 19 2013, 09:42 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 19 2013, 09:39 PM) Muntari might play because he's suspended for the league. Any excuse to play him I see (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) He can play either Poli or Nocerino and then alternate in the league, but he starts Muntari... We're in for another season of watching him jogging lazily, going into stupid tackles and shooting into row z |
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Aug 19 2013, 10:31 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,799 Joined: 17-February 09 From: Montreal Member No.: 6,245 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 19 2013, 05:42 PM) Any excuse to play him I see (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) He can play either Poli or Nocerino and then alternate in the league, but he starts Muntari... We're in for another season of watching him jogging lazily, going into stupid tackles and shooting into row z to be fair to poor Sulley, he has actually stepped it up in pre-season, he looks awful doing it, but he has gotten 2goals and 1 assist IiRC (which, for him, is shocking...) |
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Aug 19 2013, 10:34 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,799 Joined: 17-February 09 From: Montreal Member No.: 6,245 |
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Aug 19 2013, 06:31 PM) to be fair to poor Sulley, he has actually stepped it up in pre-season, he looks awful doing it, but he has gotten 2goals and 1 assist IiRC (which, for him, is shocking...) That being said El Sharaawy - Balotelli - Niang Montolivo - De Jong - Poli Constant - Zapata - Mexes - Abate Abbiati Not that Boatang could ever be on the bench or anything (i think he deserves a little sample of reality...his performances have been awful and in constant decline...) |
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Aug 19 2013, 11:47 PM
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Giovanissimi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 16-February 06 From: Jeddah,Saudi Arabia Member No.: 1,284 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 19 2013, 10:42 PM) Any excuse to play him I see (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) He can play either Poli or Nocerino and then alternate in the league, but he starts Muntari... We're in for another season of watching him jogging lazily, going into stupid tackles and shooting into row z To be honest this pre-season Muntari has been looking far better than Nocerino, even though Poli would be a better choice than both of them. |
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Aug 20 2013, 02:05 AM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 19 2013, 10:42 PM) He can play either Poli or Nocerino and then alternate in the league, but he starts Muntari... Why would he play Nocerino over Muntari? Muntari is bad, but very few are worse than Nocerino based on last season. |
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Aug 20 2013, 02:57 AM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,799 Joined: 17-February 09 From: Montreal Member No.: 6,245 |
QUOTE (nuh @ Aug 19 2013, 07:47 PM) To be honest this pre-season Muntari has been looking far better than Nocerino, even though Poli would be a better choice than both of them. +1 it even pains me to say it too because being good looks like it just doesn't suit his style (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) This post has been edited by il_diavolo_mtl: Aug 20 2013, 02:58 AM |
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Aug 20 2013, 07:47 AM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Aug 19 2013, 10:34 PM) That being said El Sharaawy - Balotelli - Niang Montolivo - De Jong - Poli Constant - Zapata - Mexes - Abate Abbiati Not that Boatang could ever be on the bench or anything (i think he deserves a little sample of reality...his performances have been awful and in constant decline...) No way with Niang. The kid did half decent against Galaxy but he's a chocker, add to that he's just not good enough to start here. His terrible dribbling wayward soothing, brutal crossing and petulance is not needed in such a huge game Prince might have been terrible lately but he steps up when it counts. So I'd start him any day over Niang. QUOTE (nuh @ Aug 19 2013, 11:47 PM) To be honest this pre-season Muntari has been looking far better than Nocerino, even though Poli would be a better choice than both of them. Which games are you talking about exactly where he's looked good? And pre-season games don't count much in assessing performances. He's just a terrible player and on top of that he's terribly lazy. PSV will be hitting us on counters, do you really want to see him jogging around and giving the ball away through bad passing and shooting? QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 20 2013, 02:05 AM) Why would he play Nocerino over Muntari? Muntari is bad, but very few are worse than Nocerino based on last season. I'd play Nocerino over Muntari any day of the week, yes Nocerino was plain old bad last season but does that automatically mean that Muntari was good for you? At least when Nocerino is playing badly he tends to blend in and just do simple things, when Muntari is playing badly (99% of the time) he's a huge liability for us |
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Aug 20 2013, 11:56 AM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 20 2013, 08:47 AM) I'd play Nocerino over Muntari any day of the week, yes Nocerino was plain old bad last season but does that automatically mean that Muntari was good for you? Muntari was better than Nocerino last season, it wasn't even close. Looking at our team, it's just sad how poor we really are. To think we're arguing who should be starting out of Muntari/Nocerino and that De Jong is considered an automatic 1st choice now. They're all terrible. |
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Aug 20 2013, 12:06 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 20 2013, 01:56 PM) Muntari was better than Nocerino last season, it wasn't even close. Looking at our team, it's just sad how poor we really are. To think we're arguing who should be starting out of Muntari/Nocerino and that De Jong is considered an automatic 1st choice now. They're all terrible. You're weird. |
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Aug 20 2013, 12:29 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 20 2013, 12:06 PM) You're weird. As long as it's in line with Allegri's decision making kurt is happy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) And lol @ your Muntari was so much better than Noce last season it wasn't even close kurt. They were both terrible, no matter how you spin it in Muntari's favour |
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Aug 20 2013, 12:38 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
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Aug 20 2013, 01:44 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 20 2013, 01:29 PM) As long as it's in line with Allegri's decision making kurt is happy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) In what way am I going in line with Allegri here? In fact I'm saying I want the exact opposite. in that I want none of the 3 of them in the team, 3 players he picks regularly when fit. This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Aug 20 2013, 01:53 PM |
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Aug 20 2013, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 20 2013, 07:44 AM) In what way am I going in line with Allegri here? In fact I'm saying I want the exact opposite. in that I want none of the 3 of them in the team, 3 players he picks regularly when fit. With the players we have who would you choose for the midfield 3? |
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Aug 20 2013, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 20 2013, 01:44 PM) In what way am I going in line with Allegri here? In fact I'm saying I want the exact opposite. in that I want none of the 3 of them in the team, 3 players he picks regularly when fit. De Jong has been one of the most in shape players in pre-season, he along with Monto are the only quality players in our midfield. Your personal dislike for him shouldn't cloud your judgment. Second of all, you've been defending Allegri's decision to constantly play Muntari ever since he came here, no matter who the better alternative is, you've even went as far as to provide some terrible stats on Muntari's part to defend your stance. Ideally neither of them would start, you're right there, but you didn't say that. You went into Muntari's defence and didn't say who you'd want to start instead of him |
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Aug 20 2013, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 20 2013, 08:41 AM) De Jong has been one of the most in shape players in pre-season, he along with Monto are the only quality players in our midfield. I agree that de Jong is a good player, but you are contradicting yourself here when just a few posts ago you said: "And pre-season games don't count much in assessing performances." |
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Aug 20 2013, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE (KillerMax @ Aug 20 2013, 05:22 PM) I agree that de Jong is a good player, but you are contradicting yourself here when just a few posts ago you said: "And pre-season games don't count much in assessing performances." True, but we're talking about his condition, cos we already know that he's a good player. |
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Aug 20 2013, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE (KillerMax @ Aug 20 2013, 03:22 PM) I agree that de Jong is a good player, but you are contradicting yourself here when just a few posts ago you said: "And pre-season games don't count much in assessing performances." Actually I'm not, performance is one thing, fitness is another. I said De Jong is one of the most in shape players in pre-season. His fitness levels are better then everyone else's on the team right now, to leave him out would just be ridiculous. Never mind he's one of our best midfielders |
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Aug 20 2013, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 20 2013, 03:41 PM) De Jong has been one of the most in shape players in pre-season, he along with Monto are the only quality players in our midfield. Your personal dislike for him shouldn't cloud your judgment. I don't care about "in shape". De Jong just isn't a good player. I watch enough EPL football to have seen an awful lot of him over the past 5 years. Dislike? I don't know him and he's not a media player, I know nothing about him personally to like/dislike. You really need to get off this logic you have where if I don't think a player is good I dislike them for whatever reason. QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 20 2013, 03:41 PM) Second of all, you've been defending Allegri's decision to constantly play Muntari ever since he came here, no matter who the better alternative is, you've even went as far as to provide some terrible stats on Muntari's part to defend your stance. I defending picking him over Nocerino. Ideally neither should play. That's my opinion, what Allegri does is irrelevant. I just don't get your logic sometimes. I don't rate Boateng at all, I think Abate is poor - 2 players Allegri has used as much as he can over the last few seasons - and yet apparently I agree with everything he does? If you want to argue, find someone else, because I can't be arsed and it's clear that's what you're looking for. |
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Aug 20 2013, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 20 2013, 04:00 PM) I don't care about "in shape". De Jong just isn't a good player. I watch enough EPL football to have seen an awful lot of him over the past 5 years. Dislike? I don't know him and he's not a media player, I know nothing about him personally to like/dislike. You really need to get off this logic you have where if I don't think a player is good I dislike them for whatever reason. I meant your dislike for him as a player. What does disliking him as a person have to do with it here? QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 20 2013, 04:00 PM) I defending picking him over Nocerino. Ideally neither should play. That's my opinion, what Allegri does is irrelevant. I just don't get your logic sometimes. I don't rate Boateng at all, I think Abate is poor - 2 players Allegri has used as much as he can over the last few seasons - and yet apparently I agree with everything he does? If you want to argue, find someone else, because I can't be arsed and it's clear that's what you're looking for. Wow, talk about being defensive! Those are your opinions on the players though, generally speaking Abate is highly regarding and he's the first choice RB for Italy as well. So once again, you underrating him has nothing to do with this. Boateng is a frustrating player, once again, you terribly underrate him, I see him for what he is, a terribly inconsistent player who has been constantly played out of position which really does not help with the aforementioned inconsistency. However Muntari is an actual bad player that is getting regular starts at Milan simply because the coach likes his style. If you don't think that he should be starting why do you constantly defend Allegri's decision to start him? That's all I'm asking here. No need to get all sensitive about it. You were making fun of people in pre-season because we were complaining about Muntari starting, saying that it's just a friendly no need to get bent about it, but here it is, an official match and he's starting again. |
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Aug 20 2013, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 20 2013, 09:56 AM) Actually I'm not, performance is one thing, fitness is another. I said De Jong is one of the most in shape players in pre-season. His fitness levels are better then everyone else's on the team right now, to leave him out would just be ridiculous. Never mind he's one of our best midfielders I thought by "in shape" you mean good performances. And here I was feeling all smart. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif) |
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Aug 20 2013, 04:55 PM
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And way to bypass my question Kurt.
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Aug 20 2013, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE (KillerMax @ Aug 20 2013, 04:54 PM) I thought by "in shape" you mean good performances. And here I was feeling all smart. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif) Maybe that IS what I meant and I tricked you into thinking you were wrong. Who's the smart one now? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Aug 20 2013, 06:59 PM
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Zoet; Brenet, Bruma, Rekik, Willems; Schaars, Maher; Park, Wijnaldum, Depay; Matavz.
Abbiati; Abate, Mexes, Zapata, Urby; Montolivo, De Jong, Muntari; Boateng, Balotelli, El Shaarawy. |
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Aug 20 2013, 07:19 PM
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Hmm, are Muntari and Urby on the same side?That might work.
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Aug 20 2013, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Aug 20 2013, 09:19 PM) Hmm, are Muntari and Urby on the same side?That might work. One slow and lazy, the other can't defend. What's Allegri thinking??? |
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Aug 20 2013, 07:33 PM
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We'll see.
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Aug 20 2013, 07:42 PM
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I just heard Mexes in the tunnel: "C'mon guys, let's do this, cazzo. These are just kids, cazzo"
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Aug 20 2013, 07:47 PM
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First idiotic long ball from Muntari. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Aug 20 2013, 07:49 PM
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They are killing us.
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Aug 20 2013, 07:53 PM
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Milan under Allegri are shameful. SHAMEFUL.
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Aug 20 2013, 07:54 PM
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Just ridiculous how we're wide open at the back
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Aug 20 2013, 07:54 PM
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I feel sick... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif)
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Aug 20 2013, 07:57 PM
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These guys are really good, whilst we're crap beyond belief. I don't think we'll make it.
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Aug 20 2013, 07:58 PM
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I feel like we're going to get creamed if things keep going as they are.
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Aug 20 2013, 07:59 PM
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Right back where we ended last season. Not even an inch forward. That's Allegri's handwriting, no matter how pathetic this mercato went.
And looking at this system, one can only assume that Ljajic/Honda would take Boateng's spot, so virtually not much would change. We'd still have this unimaginative midfield. |
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Aug 20 2013, 08:00 PM
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EL SHAA!!!
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Aug 20 2013, 08:00 PM
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SHARAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWY!~
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Aug 20 2013, 08:00 PM
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Typically.
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Aug 20 2013, 08:00 PM
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YESSS
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Aug 20 2013, 08:01 PM
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And btw, didn't Allegri pledge to change his system in one of those crucial meets with Berlu?
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Aug 20 2013, 08:01 PM
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Nice from Abate (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Aug 20 2013, 08:01 PM
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Balo almost for 0-2
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Aug 20 2013, 08:01 PM
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BALO SO CLOSE!
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Aug 20 2013, 08:01 PM
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POST!!!
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Aug 20 2013, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 20 2013, 08:01 PM) And btw, didn't Allegri pledge to change his system in one of those crucial meets with Berlu? The fact is he isn't capable tactically to do that. 4-3-3 is his crutch |
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Aug 20 2013, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 20 2013, 10:02 PM) The fact is he isn't capable tactically to do that. 4-3-3 is his crutch Tassotti said before the game that 4-3-3 is the ideal formation for us. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) |
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Aug 20 2013, 08:04 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 20 2013, 08:02 PM) Tassotti said before the game that 4-3-3 is the ideal formation for us. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Tasso is a puppet, let's face it. How can a 4-3-3 be ideal when we have no wingers, even a person who has the most basic concept of what football is can see this |
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Aug 20 2013, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 20 2013, 10:04 PM) Tasso is a puppet, let's face it. How can a 4-3-3 be ideal when we have no wingers, even a person who has the most basic concept of what football is can see this Because to them Boateng and Niang are wingers, whereas Bojan isn't. Idiots. |
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Aug 20 2013, 08:05 PM
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Muntari is unwatchable.
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Aug 20 2013, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 20 2013, 08:05 PM) Muntari is unwatchable. But he was good in preseason (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Aug 20 2013, 08:06 PM
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What happened to their super star Bakkali?
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Aug 20 2013, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE (KillerMax @ Aug 20 2013, 08:06 PM) What happened to their super star Bakkali? Injured |
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Aug 20 2013, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE (KillerMax @ Aug 20 2013, 10:06 PM) What happened to their super star Bakkali? Injured. |
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Aug 20 2013, 08:08 PM
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Boateng is really, really bad on the wing. Completely useless.
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Aug 20 2013, 08:09 PM
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wtf was boateng thinking!!
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Aug 20 2013, 08:09 PM
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Abbiati's time wasting makes me puke.
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Aug 20 2013, 08:09 PM
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Boateng is f@cking HORRIBLE.
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Aug 20 2013, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 20 2013, 02:07 PM) Injured QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 20 2013, 02:07 PM) Injured. LOL thanks. |
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Aug 20 2013, 08:10 PM
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I can feel the provincial mentality kicking in already. Let's park the bus!
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Aug 20 2013, 08:13 PM
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My eyes hurt watching this... It's unbelievable how bad we play... No plan, nervous, wayward passing, shambolic defending and playing "ROUGH"...
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Aug 20 2013, 08:15 PM
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Too many mistakes from Urby so far.
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Aug 20 2013, 08:15 PM
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Some of our players look completely off colour.
Abate, Mexes, SES and De Jong and the only ones who look remotely fit |
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Aug 20 2013, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE (KillerMax @ Aug 20 2013, 10:13 PM) My eyes hurt watching this... It's unbelievable how bad we play... No plan, nervous, wayward passing, shambolic defending and playing "ROUGH"... i.e. the Milan of last season to a tee. |
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Aug 20 2013, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 20 2013, 10:15 PM) Abate, Mexes, SES and De Jong and the only ones who look remotely fit And Balo. |
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Aug 20 2013, 08:17 PM
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We just keep backing off them and giving them space to shoot. SO amateurish
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