[dst]

Recent previous meetings:
2011/2012 :: Quarter-finals :: FC Barcelona - AC Milan 3:1
2011/2012 :: Quarter-finals :: AC Milan - FC Barcelona 0:0
2011/2012 :: Group H :: AC Milan - FC Barcelona 2:3
2011/2012 :: Group H :: FC Barcelona - AC Milan 2:2
2005/2006 :: Semi-finals :: FC Barcelona - AC Milan 0:0
2005/2006 :: Semi-finals :: AC Milan - FC Barcelona 0:1
2004/2005 :: Group F :: FC Barcelona - AC Milan 2:1
2004/2005 :: Group F :: AC Milan - FC Barcelona 1:0

Milan have not won in any of the previous 7 meetings.

Milan: WWWDW
Barcelona: WDDWW

Possible line-ups:
Milan: "Some Allegri Cr**" - han or "Something only Mourinho could best" - Kurt
Barcelona: Whatever Pep did

[X-Offender]

Someone had this line-up on Facebook:

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I like it. I just hope though that Ambrosini doesn't play. He can't cut it at this level anymore.

[drucurl]

can we continue slagging off Allegri here....or do we really need to let this game happen first? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

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[Jack Bauer]

Milan forward Stephan El Shaarawy has returned to training today ahead of their match against Barcelona on Wednesday.

The 20-year-old striker was rested for Friday's win over Parma with knee tendon damage.

But the Italy international has seemingly got over his injury woes having taken full-part in the Rossoneri's session this morning.

It is still unclear though whether El Shaarawy will be fit enough to start against the Blaugrana.

http://www.football-italia.net/30924/el-sh...eturns-training

[Rossoneri7]

SES will play.

I hope for a 1-1 draw in this fixture. We will concede just hope its just a goal.

However, in a realistic scenario, given this squad, I see us loosing this one 1-5. Messi with a hattrick even (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[X-Offender]

I think we'll draw, last season-style.

[KillerMax]

I think we might concede 2 or 3 in the least, but I'm hoping for a win obviously.

[X-Offender]

Imagine if we pull a Chelsea. I mean, they were crap last season as well (ended up 5th in the league), but managed to actually beat Barça at home and tie at Camp Nou. It's nearly impossible, I know, but one can dream.

[han2503]

SES will play.

I hope for a 1-1 draw in this fixture. We will concede just hope its just a goal.

However, in a realistic scenario, given this squad, I see us loosing this one 1-5. Messi with a hattrick even (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I don't see the squad as being the problem. If they're set out right I think we should do decently.

It all depends on the guys Allegri chooses and the tactics he chooses to deploy. If he picks the likes of Muntari to start in midfield then the writing is already on the wall before the match even kicks off.

I seriously hope he does not go for the usual 4-3-3. THAT would seriously be suicidal. Either start with a xmas tree set-up or use the typical 4-3-1-2 and I seriously do not want to see Niang in this one. Pazzini HAS to be the one to start upfront

Personally I'd like to see this

Abate--Mexes--Zapata--Constant*
Flamini--Monto--Nocerino
Prince--SES
Pazzini

Flamini and Nocerino would seriously need to do a double-up job with the FBs and help them out big time. If these 2 drop off to help out the FBs then Prince and SES would then drop deeper and help out Monto in the center.

Pazzini will be starved 99.99% of the time, but if he can work hard by dropping deep and putting pressure on their defenders/midfielders and then hold up the ball when we actually win it back he'd be worth as much as a goal.

If we want to at least give this a shot than going out 4-3-3 like we do in the league and playing the brainless football we usually do then yes, expect a spanking similar to the one you predicted up here.

Keep it tight and use the ball wisely on the rare occasions that we have it, using setpiece situations to their fullest will give us a whisper of a chance. But players like Muntari, Niang, Traore, Yepes, etc need to be kept out at all costs.

I put a * next to Constant because I'm seriously worried about him. His defensive qualities have rarely been put to the test and I seriously feel that he could be turned inside out here. That being said, I have no idea who could start instead. DS is the only name that comes to mind who can do a decent defensive job but throwing him out there in such a tie could be a huge mistake. One thing's for sure, the midfielder playing on the left side will have to work his @ss off

[X-Offender]

Constant will be MoM.

[Zed.D]

Gee! what's with this positive attitude around here? pull a Chelsea? draw? win?

You'll find the reality such a ***** when they score 3 past us.

Possible line-ups:
Milan: "Some Allegri Cr**" - han or "Something only Mourinho could best" - Kurt
Barcelona: Whatever Pep did

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[Fillipo Simone]

Last season Ambrosini played a crucial role against Barcelona. I think he can reprise his showing.

[kurtsimonw]

Gee! what's with this positive attitude around here? pull a Chelsea? draw? win?

Depends how they play. If they show the same arrogance like the SF 2nd leg in 2010 and 2012 then we can stand some sort of chance. If they really go for it they we'll lose both legs.

[Rossoneri7]

Last season Ambrosini played a crucial role against Barcelona. I think he can reprise his showing.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Blasphemy, he is 30+ he is sh1te!

I don't see the squad as being the problem. If they're set out right I think we should do decently.

It all depends on the guys Allegri chooses and the tactics he chooses to deploy. If he picks the likes of Muntari to start in midfield then the writing is already on the wall before the match even kicks off.

I seriously hope he does not go for the usual 4-3-3. THAT would seriously be suicidal. Either start with a xmas tree set-up or use the typical 4-3-1-2 and I seriously do not want to see Niang in this one. Pazzini HAS to be the one to start upfront

Personally I'd like to see this

Abate--Mexes--Zapata--Constant*
Flamini--Monto--Nocerino
Prince--SES
Pazzini

Flamini and Nocerino would seriously need to do a double-up job with the FBs and help them out big time. If these 2 drop off to help out the FBs then Prince and SES would then drop deeper and help out Monto in the center.

Pazzini will be starved 99.99% of the time, but if he can work hard by dropping deep and putting pressure on their defenders/midfielders and then hold up the ball when we actually win it back he'd be worth as much as a goal.

If we want to at least give this a shot than going out 4-3-3 like we do in the league and playing the brainless football we usually do then yes, expect a spanking similar to the one you predicted up here.

Keep it tight and use the ball wisely on the rare occasions that we have it, using setpiece situations to their fullest will give us a whisper of a chance. But players like Muntari, Niang, Traore, Yepes, etc need to be kept out at all costs.

I put a * next to Constant because I'm seriously worried about him. His defensive qualities have rarely been put to the test and I seriously feel that he could be turned inside out here. That being said, I have no idea who could start instead. DS is the only name that comes to mind who can do a decent defensive job but throwing him out there in such a tie could be a huge mistake. One thing's for sure, the midfielder playing on the left side will have to work his @ss off

Ever considered coaching Milan? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[mallamkay]

If we lose by a decent margin over the 2 legs, it won't make any news.
However, if we beat dem over d 2 legs, nomatter how we do it (even if it is a handball goal or own goal) then that is big NEWS.


And I hope against hope that we make d big news

[Danny]

We obviously have no Balo, but if Allegri snuffs out Barcelona's Plan A, which isn't that hard, then they have no Plan B to fall back on.

Tactics against Barca are easy if you know what you're doing.

Tight man-marking, compressed defence, and 'anti-football' as Messi himself labelled it when Rangers were the first to successfully do it in 2007.

Do not let them breathe, don't give them an inch, 150% concentration at all times and play deep.

Allegri should also pick, strangely enough, our 'tallest' possible team. Barca cannot play aerially at all so take advantage of that and use high balls on the quick counter.

If shitey Celtic cotton onto how it's done (only 6 years after Rangers did) then any f*cker can do it.

But it does take major effort.

I'll pitch the question: if we wanted to pick our 'tallest' players, and/or 'bulkiest', who would we select?

[Rossoneri7]

I'll pitch the question: if we wanted to pick our 'tallest' players, and/or 'bulkiest', who would we select?

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

You are not serious!

[Zed.D]

We obviously have no Balo, but if Allegri snuffs out Barcelona's Plan A, which isn't that hard, then they have no Plan B to fall back on.

Tactics against Barca are easy if you know what you're doing.

Tight man-marking, compressed defence, and 'anti-football' as Messi himself labelled it when Rangers were the first to successfully do it in 2007.

Do not let them breathe, don't give them an inch, 150% concentration at all times and play deep.

Allegri should also pick, strangely enough, our 'tallest' possible team. Barca cannot play aerially at all so take advantage of that and use high balls on the quick counter.

If shitey Celtic cotton onto how it's done (only 6 years after Rangers did) then any f*cker can do it.

But it does take major effort.

I'll pitch the question: if we wanted to pick our 'tallest' players, and/or 'bulkiest', who would we select?

We don't have a solid, compressed back four, and tight man-marking is a non-existent concept in our play. so is 150% concentration. seriously, we stand no chance of even getting a draw. I predict a 0-3 Barca win. maybe we can snatch a goal through El Sha outsmarting their not-so-great defense and make it 1-3. but that's the farthest I can see us going. we lack the marquee players needed in defense and attack to stand any chance.

Tight man-marking, compressed defence, and 'anti-football' as Messi himself labelled it when Rangers were the first to successfully do it in 2007.

I love how you always mention this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Depends how they play. If they show the same arrogance like the SF 2nd leg in 2010 and 2012 then we can stand some sort of chance. If they really go for it they we'll lose both legs.

They'll probably show arrogance because they're still as good as they were, and we're much worse so should be an easy one for them. even so, I don't think we stand a chance.

This post has been edited by Zed.D: Feb 19 2013, 12:05 PM

[X-Offender]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Blasphemy, he is 30+ he is sh1te!

Why do you have this opinion that aged players are crap? Ever considered Nesta, Drogba, Pirlo etc? It doesn't have to do with age, but with the showings on the pitch. And Ambro this season has been absolutely appalling.

[X-Offender]

By the way, listen to Berlusca: "Flamini and Muntari will mark Mesisi, each one for each half".

Link

When it comes to football tactics this guy is absolutely clueless. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[acid911]

Why do you have this opinion that aged players are crap? Ever considered Nesta, Drogba, Pirlo etc? It doesn't have to do with age, but with the showings on the pitch. And Ambro this season has been absolutely appalling.

Huh, R7 most definitely meant that as a sarcasm! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) He loves well-aged things, um, players!

[X-Offender]

Huh, R7 most definitely meant that as a sarcasm! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) He loves well-aged things, um, players!

Then why did he bring it up in the first place? I didn't say Ambro can't cut it because he's old, but cause he's become a depleted player and this season he's been horrible. Robinho, for example, can't cut it either, but he's not old.

[acid911]

Then why did he bring it up in the first place? I didn't say Ambro can't cut it because he's old, but cause he's become a depleted player and this season he's been horrible. Robinho, for example, can't cut it either, but he's not old.

He probably did because of he slack the seniors have been getting (rightly, or otherwise) here in the past few seasons. Sure, most of them are gone, and most of them couldn't cut it when they were here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Ultimately, this was something both the management and the players should have thought about quite a bit earlier than they did.

For some it's painful seeing the legends (?) or at least senior players hang the boots. For some it's bliss!

[han2503]

Last season Ambrosini played a crucial role against Barcelona. I think he can reprise his showing.

No way man. Ambro has clearly shown this season that his fuel tank is 100% empty

Ever considered coaching Milan? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I'm 100% sure I'd make more logical decisions than our "coach", most people on here would as well

By the way, listen to Berlusca: "Flamini and Muntari will mark Mesisi, each one for each half".

Link

When it comes to football tactics this guy is absolutely clueless. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

If Muntari plays it will be just plain laughable. It's clear Silvio hasn't watched the team play in a while.

Also, having someone running around aimlessly after Messi would give Barca just what they want. You can't approach a team like Barca and man-mark a single player

[Danny]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

You are not serious!

All the teams with notable scalps of Barca have been big. Inter, Celtic, Rangers, Chelsea. Tall tight teams.

[Danny]

We don't have a solid, compressed back four, and tight man-marking is a non-existent concept in our play. so is 150% concentration. seriously, we stand no chance of even getting a draw. I predict a 0-3 Barca win. maybe we can snatch a goal through El Sha outsmarting their not-so-great defense and make it 1-3. but that's the farthest I can see us going. we lack the marquee players needed in defense and attack to stand any chance.

Right and Celtic have all the above?

Are you aware they have guys like Efe Ambrose at the back!?

I love how you always mention this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Mainly because Messi slagged it off as anti football and hey, guess what, other teams started doing the same. And it works.

Take a bow Walter Smith.

[rip]

I put a * next to Constant because I'm seriously worried about him. His defensive qualities have rarely been put to the test and I seriously feel that he could be turned inside out here.

Im not really worried about Constant. His defensive qualities doesnt lack that much ,but if it is short it is complemented by his very high work rate.

The key area will be midfield. thats barca's strength and thats where the real battle will be.

This post has been edited by rip: Feb 19 2013, 05:03 PM

[han2503]

Im not really worried about Constant. His defensive qualities doesnt lack that much ,but if it is short it is complemented by his very high work rate.

The key area will be midfield. thats barca's strength and thats where the real battle will be.

Agree with that but they use the wing a lot as well. Last season Zambro and Abate both worked their @sses off in all the games and that's when we did our best defensively while when Anatonini was on we struggled more.

But yeah, we need to pack that midfield, the midfield needs to be tight in the center as well as cover the FBs, which is why a 4-3-3 would be an abolutely suicide mission

[X-Offender]

Called-up players: Abbiati, Amelia, Gabriel, Abate, De Sciglio, Mexes, Yepes, Zapata, Ambrosini, Boateng, Constant, Cristante (N.36), Montolivo, Muntari, Traorè, Bojan, El Shaarawy, Niang, Pazzini.

No Nocerino and Flamini, which means Muntari will play from the start, most probably alongside Ambrosini. We are literally fucked!

[Zed.D]

WTF? what happened to them? we can't even have all of our players available for a match like this FFS.

[X-Offender]

Flamini has a minor injury, Nocerino's absence popped out of the blue. This is really sad. Can you imagine Xavi-Iniesta-Fabregas-Messi against a Montolivo-Ambrosini-Muntari midfield? They'll walk all over us. Even I had hopes of scrapping a decent result tomorrow, but with this development I'd day our chances now are practically null. Thrashing it will be. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[X-Offender]

Seriously, I will take anything over playing both Muntari and Ambrosini tomorrow. We're screwed, for real. At least one of them has to be benched, move Boateng in midfield, play Bojan and SES as wingers and ask them to track back A LOT! Oh wait, Allegri will probably play Niang instead ( (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ). Damn it! Not only we have to cope with our coach's absolute incompetence, but now even the God of football is against us. I don't mind us losing, we would have lost either way, but now I'm afraid we'll see a major thrashing, at our home ground. It will feel horrible. We're Milan, not Bayer Leverkusen! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[Zed.D]

The idea of Muntari (and his incredible workrate+speed) against the likes of Messi and Iniesta scares the **** out of me. where is Strasser when you need him? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

And Nocerino's absence is a huge blow. not only he could help defensively, he's one of our few attacking threats as well. could've surprised Barca with a goal like last season. damn bad luck!

Right and Celtic have all the above?

Are you aware they have guys like Efe Ambrose at the back!?

That was a group game. this is serious stuff. besides, any team can overachieve (or in Barca's case, underachieve) in one game. doesn't mean anything. I don't think we have what it takes to stop them, plain and simple.

[kurtsimonw]

Just have the back 4, the 3 midfielders + 3 subs take it in turns kicking the **** out of Messi. We'll take the 10 yellow cards.

[Jack Bauer]

Wow, that's gonna be one ugly midfield (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

Just have the back 4, the 3 midfielders + 3 subs take it in turns kicking the **** out of Messi. We'll take the 10 yellow cards.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Or resign Ringho, Seedorf and Nesta .. Can't have boys doing mens job now can we (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[han2503]

Considering those 2 losses a 3-man back line should be seriously considered.

Also considering our lack of midfield options I'd also move Constant up to midfield and just shoot the sh!t and push DS out on the left.

This is the moment where Allegri's complete lack of tactical acumen will seriously shine through. I'm 100% sure he'll stick to his rigid 4-3-3 system when there is no chance in hell of that ever working. To ever have a chance in this we need someone who can be innovative and think outside the box. Allegri is so far from that it's not even funny

Imo our only chance is if we go

Zapata--Mexes--Yepes
Abate--Monto--Ambro--Constant--DS
Prince--SES
Pazzini

I think this would give us a decent chance

THIS: (which is what we can expect under Allegri)

Abate--Zapata--Mexes--Constant
Monto--Ambro--Muntari
Prince/Niang--Pazzini--SES

Will SURELY earn us a right old spanking like we haven't seen in a while

[kurtsimonw]

Imo our only chance is if we go

Zapata--Mexes--Yepes
Abate--Monto--Ambro--Constant--DS
Prince--SES
Pazzini

I like it.

Though I agree we'll likely put the 2nd team you put.

[han2503]

I like it.

Though I agree we'll likely put the 2nd team you put.

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Sorry, I'm finding myself going cross-eyed at the amount of times you agreed with me in the last few days (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

Just because you're wrong about Allegri doesn't mean we can't agree on other stuff. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[han2503]

Just because you're wrong about Allegri doesn't mean we can't agree on other stuff. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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[X-Offender]

Considering those 2 losses a 3-man back line should be seriously considered.

Also considering our lack of midfield options I'd also move Constant up to midfield and just shoot the sh!t and push DS out on the left.

This is the moment where Allegri's complete lack of tactical acumen will seriously shine through. I'm 100% sure he'll stick to his rigid 4-3-3 system when there is no chance in hell of that ever working. To ever have a chance in this we need someone who can be innovative and think outside the box. Allegri is so far from that it's not even funny

Imo our only chance is if we go

Zapata--Mexes--Yepes
Abate--Monto--Ambro--Constant--DS
Prince--SES
Pazzini

I like it, but DS on the left flank in midfield doesn't do it for me. Too bad we sold Emanuelson.

[han2503]

I like it, but DS on the left flank in midfield doesn't do it for me. Too bad we sold Emanuelson.

DS is still more defensively solid than Urby. It's not like he'll have to do any attacking work which is where he is found lacking the most imo

[X-Offender]

DS is still more defensively solid than Urby. It's not like he'll have to do any attacking work which is where he is found lacking the most imo

It's not about his defensive stability. He's not suitable for that position. I have doubts about him as FB (I see him more of a CB), but pushing him to midfield as WB is going too far. Urby is a natural WB.

[X-Offender]

Gazzetta probable line-up:

Abbiati
Abate
Zapata
Mexes
Constant
Muntari
Montolivo
Ambrosini
Boateng
Pazzini
El Shaarawy

[Danny]

Muntari Monto and Ambro midfield isn't that bad based on my logic of not giving Barca room to breathe.

If we compress the defence and let those 3 protect then we can scrape a draw tomorrow.

And if Boateng/El-Sha have a good game then we might even nick one on the counter.

It's not quite so much about who we pick, it's the tactics.

[maldini03]

I have a feeling that Abate will be a key in this game. If Barca are weak anywhere, its at LB. Abate is going to show that he is a dominant RB, the tactics are key.

[X-Offender]

Muntari Monto and Ambro midfield isn't that bad based on my logic of not giving Barca room to breathe.

Only that Muntari has the work-rate of a snail, and Ambro has managed to embarrass himself against relegation teams this season.

I'm actually thinking that playing Boateng alongside Ambro and Monto, and Bojan behind the strikers would be a better. I know it's risky, but IMO it's miles better than having both Muntari and Ambro on the pitch.

[han2503]

Gazzetta probable line-up:

Abbiati
Abate
Zapata
Mexes
Constant
Muntari
Montolivo
Ambrosini
Boateng
Pazzini
El Shaarawy

Exactly as I posted above (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

How innovative from our "coach"

[Danny]

Only that Muntari has the work-rate of a snail, and Ambro has managed to embarrass himself against relegation teams this season.

I'm actually thinking that playing Boateng alongside Ambro and Monto, and Bojan behind the strikers would be a better. I know it's risky, but IMO it's miles better than having both Muntari and Ambro on the pitch.

If you make the midfield protect the defence and effectively sit as 2 massive banks with a couple of attackers up top, there's a small chance of this feeble midfield actually doing a better job than you think.

Muntari simply HAS to work hard. If he's told to work hard, and doesn't do it, then that's basically a direct defiance of explicit instruction. Agree that Ambro is utter gash but in my system he is not there to even pass the ball - just to be effectively a harrying DM. Shut them down and mark tight.

Boateng in there cannot work because his instinct is to attack - and Xavi etc will pass straight through him. He's actually ok defending on the flank but not in the middle. As for Bojan? Not a chance - he's a featherweight and Barca's midfield is far too intelligent to let him play through them.

It really is about strangling them.

Only way to beat or draw Barca.

[Danny]

Exactly as I posted above (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

How innovative from our "coach"

If we get a draw or better from this lineup, even if it's purely by luck or the ref scoring, will you give Allegri even an iota of credit for it?

[X-Offender]

If you make the midfield protect the defence and effectively sit as 2 massive banks with a couple of attackers up top, there's a small chance of this feeble midfield actually doing a better job than you think.

Muntari simply HAS to work hard. If he's told to work hard, and doesn't do it, then that's basically a direct defiance of explicit instruction. Agree that Ambro is utter gash but in my system he is not there to even pass the ball - just to be effectively a harrying DM. Shut them down and mark tight.

Boateng in there cannot work because his instinct is to attack - and Xavi etc will pass straight through him. He's actually ok defending on the flank but not in the middle. As for Bojan? Not a chance - he's a featherweight and Barca's midfield is far too intelligent to let him play through them.

It really is about strangling them.

Only way to beat or draw Barca.

I'm not worried about Ambrosini because of his passing abilities. He never had that in him. What really worries me is that nowadays he misses completely when tackling, that and he fouls a lot. He's a liability, but what can you do about it. Whilst Muntari, well, besides being a horrible football player, he's very lazy as well. You tell him to press hard, but I doubt he'll do much about it. Not to mention he's only recently recovered from a very long injury. See, no matter how you look at it, we're royally screwed with that midfield. It could work if everyone gave their all in a Serie A game, but against Barça? Forget it.

This post has been edited by X-Offender: Feb 19 2013, 11:21 PM

[han2503]

If we get a draw or better from this lineup, even if it's purely by luck or the ref scoring, will you give Allegri even an iota of credit for it?

That strictly depends on how we play.

But ref calls won't do it here. It will be a miracle if we go out there with that flimsy line-up and expect to come out with a decent result

You've been talking on and on how stifling Barca is the most important thing. and I agree with you COMPLETELY.

BUT, that line-up and formation is certainly not the way to go about doing that. Do you agree with that?

And my counter question to you is; if we get a serious spanking tomorrow night will you give Allegri even an iota of blame in the entire scenario?

[milanbuf88]

That projected midfield is so ugly. Muntari is such a lazy player. He has decent talent when he chooses to use it but he attempts to play like Pirlo when he doesn't have the ability. If Max can get him to run hard and keep it simple then he's not horrible. Ambro is simply past it. He's usually out of gas and two steps behind by the 60th minute. Our only hope there is that parking the bus will keep him from running up and down too much. His positional sense is all he really has to offer and that was never his strength. I would prefer to put Prince in the midfield and play Niang just so Niang can drop back and harry, maybe hold up a ball. Bojan is too small and easily dispossessed to start but he could be an impact sub.

[X-Offender]

Can you imagine if Ambro gets injured midway thorugh the game (it usually happens with him). Allegri will be forced to play the only midfielder we have available. Do I dare say his name?

...

Traoré!!!

[drucurl]

I wonder how the n00b charlatan feels about marginalizing Emanuelson now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

[TriniKing_CE]

Puyol: “I support Milan when they are not playing against Barcelona. I have great admiration for this club. I have said if I was going to leave Barcelona, I’d have liked to go to Milan, but it’s too late now and I will finish my career here."

[Rossoneri7]

Why do you have this opinion that aged players are crap? Ever considered Nesta, Drogba, Pirlo etc? It doesn't have to do with age, but with the showings on the pitch. And Ambro this season has been absolutely appalling.

Because they age like milk!

[Zed.D]

I wonder how the n00b charlatan feels about marginalizing Emanuelson now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

But I thought "Allegri was so in love with Uby" and "Urby was typical Allegri favorite". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

But I thought "Allegri was so in love with Uby" and "Urby was typical Allegri favorite". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I didn't want to be the first to point that out for obvious reasons.

[han2503]

I don't think Allegri was the one who forced the move with Urby. I think it was more Urby himself wanting more play time

[milanbuf88]

I didn't want to be the first to point that out for obvious reasons.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[Danny]

That strictly depends on how we play.

But ref calls won't do it here. It will be a miracle if we go out there with that flimsy line-up and expect to come out with a decent result

You've been talking on and on how stifling Barca is the most important thing. and I agree with you COMPLETELY.

BUT, that line-up and formation is certainly not the way to go about doing that. Do you agree with that?

And my counter question to you is; if we get a serious spanking tomorrow night will you give Allegri even an iota of blame in the entire scenario?

That strictly depends on how we got the spanking (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

But being serious, the lineup you've posted is already the one I suggested can get a point. Mainly because we need as many big bodies in the middle and back as we can field.

The formation and tactics are essential. If we go 4-3-3 then we're doomed. If we go 4-1-2-1-2 we have a small chance.

Must keep it sooo tight in the middle. Sit Ambro in front of the back 4 - use Muntari alongside Monto and tell the f*cker he has to work like his life depends on it. Monto is the creative outlet in the middle and let him feed Boateng.

This isn't a match for Bojan in the slightest.

[Danny]

I don't think Allegri was the one who forced the move with Urby. I think it was more Urby himself wanting more play time

But here's a puzzler. If you suggest Allegri loved Urby so much, why not give him the play time he wanted?

[Danny]

I'm not worried about Ambrosini because of his passing abilities. He never had that in him. What really worries me is that nowadays he misses completely when tackling, that and he fouls a lot. He's a liability, but what can you do about it. Whilst Muntari, well, besides being a horrible football player, he's very lazy as well. You tell him to press hard, but I doubt he'll do much about it. Not to mention he's only recently recovered from a very long injury. See, no matter how you look at it, we're royally screwed with that midfield. It could work if everyone gave their all in a Serie A game, but against Barça? Forget it.

I'm not sure Muntari is quite as lazy as you suggest given the career he's had. Also think you're being harsh calling him horrible. But end of the day if he, like the rest, works hard as nails then a result can be achieved. As for Ambro, well I was about to clarify that. It's not about tackling, it's about pressure and harrying. Pushing Xavi or Iniesta away from our defence. 90 minutes of pressing them. Tackling only when critically necessary.

If you recall, he was utterly epic at the San Siro V them last season's group stage. He was staggering. if he can pull off that again no reason why he can't contribute to a good result.

He's a one a season wonder. Occasionally he can defy how crap he is and be outstanding.

[Fillipo Simone]

But here's a puzzler. If you suggest Allegri loved Urby so much, why not give him the play time he wanted?

He loved playing him in positions he just couldn't handle.

[han2503]

That strictly depends on how we got the spanking (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

But being serious, the lineup you've posted is already the one I suggested can get a point. Mainly because we need as many big bodies in the middle and back as we can field.

The formation and tactics are essential. If we go 4-3-3 then we're doomed. If we go 4-1-2-1-2 we have a small chance.

Must keep it sooo tight in the middle. Sit Ambro in front of the back 4 - use Muntari alongside Monto and tell the f*cker he has to work like his life depends on it. Monto is the creative outlet in the middle and let him feed Boateng.

This isn't a match for Bojan in the slightest.

As you can see from the different line-ups I posted above I didn't include Bojan in any. Personally if it were up to me I wouldn't include SES either. However you mentioning Muntari is a huge problem. Having him in that midfield is a huge problem in and of itself no matter where he is played. He is simply such a liability that I cannot even think about him going up against Xavi & Co in that midfield. If Allegri where to actually use his brain he'd realise that he had a perfectly good CM in Constant who is not lazy or slow but is a hard worker who has pace and most importantly, he actually uses his brain.

As for the formation, I'd prefer a 3-man backline. Like you said, we need to keep it tight, and to keep it tight you have to pile bodies in there so that we don't get exposed in certain areas when players from midfield get pulled onto the wings to cover

But here's a puzzler. If you suggest Allegri loved Urby so much, why not give him the play time he wanted?

He liked playing him everywhere but in his position. When it was obvious that he couldn't hack it on the RW he discarded him for Niang/Prince neither of which were actually better there but that's irrelevant in this case. Personally I always felt Urby was a very good utility player, he's decent in midfield, gives us options to switch the system, and according to Allegri can play anywhere bar the GK position. It's the way he was used that always irked me personally

[X-Offender]

I'm not sure Muntari is quite as lazy as you suggest given the career he's had. Also think you're being harsh calling him horrible. But end of the day if he, like the rest, works hard as nails then a result can be achieved. As for Ambro, well I was about to clarify that. It's not about tackling, it's about pressure and harrying. Pushing Xavi or Iniesta away from our defence. 90 minutes of pressing them. Tackling only when critically necessary.

If you recall, he was utterly epic at the San Siro V them last season's group stage. He was staggering. if he can pull off that again no reason why he can't contribute to a good result.

He's a one a season wonder. Occasionally he can defy how crap he is and be outstanding.

Then you obviously haven't seen too many games from Muntari. As for Ambro, do you really think he can press their midfielders for the whole 90 minutes? The guy is usually out of breath around the one hour mark. I have a feeling he'll get injured midway through the game, because his body can't handle the intense rhythm of such games.

He loved playing him in positions he just couldn't handle.

Exactly.

[acid911]

Then you obviously haven't seen too many games from Muntari. As for Ambro, do you really think he can press their midfielders for the whole 90 minutes? The guy is usually out of breath around the one hour mark. I have a feeling he'll get injured midway through the game, because his body can't handle the intense rhythm of such games.

Perfect time to swap him out of the game, then, don't you think? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Put in a fleeter in his place.

[X-Offender]

Perfect time to swap him out of the game, then, don't you think? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Put in a fleeter in his place.

And who would you put in, Traoré? Cause he's the only available midfielder on the bench. Him, and that kid Cristante.

[acid911]

And who would you put in, Traoré? Cause he's the only available midfielder on the bench. Him, and that kid Cristante.

Yeah, that's a stick problem. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Just recalled your earlier post in this thread. Bummer!

[Danny]

As you can see from the different line-ups I posted above I didn't include Bojan in any. Personally if it were up to me I wouldn't include SES either. However you mentioning Muntari is a huge problem. Having him in that midfield is a huge problem in and of itself no matter where he is played. He is simply such a liability that I cannot even think about him going up against Xavi & Co in that midfield. If Allegri where to actually use his brain he'd realise that he had a perfectly good CM in Constant who is not lazy or slow but is a hard worker who has pace and most importantly, he actually uses his brain.

Constant has been excellent at LB for us. There is simply no way you could justify throwing him into CM and using a weaker option at the back.
There really is so much hate from you and X Off about Muntari. I'm not sure it's entirely fair!

As for the formation, I'd prefer a 3-man backline. Like you said, we need to keep it tight, and to keep it tight you have to pile bodies in there so that we don't get exposed in certain areas when players from midfield get pulled onto the wings to cover

As I've said before, 3 man at the back requires massive understanding between all 3, and 2 WB's who don't stop running all day. It's a formation you need to practise a lot before you can be assured it will work. It's not really the right match to try this in. Although we are agreed that if it works, it is exactly what we need. But we just don't have the experience with the formation to use it.

He liked playing him everywhere but in his position. When it was obvious that he couldn't hack it on the RW he discarded him for Niang/Prince neither of which were actually better there but that's irrelevant in this case. Personally I always felt Urby was a very good utility player, he's decent in midfield, gives us options to switch the system, and according to Allegri can play anywhere bar the GK position. It's the way he was used that always irked me personally

You've described him as a utility player but then said 'his position'. What IS his position? As for midfield, he was a cheap and cheerful version of Seedorf but without that marquee class.

Seedorf is, of course, one of the greatest players the game has ever seen. And one of the most decorated.

[Danny]

Then you obviously haven't seen too many games from Muntari.

No one has. He's barely featured for us since he signed plus he's been out injured for ages.

As for Ambro, do you really think he can press their midfielders for the whole 90 minutes? The guy is usually out of breath around the one hour mark. I have a feeling he'll get injured midway through the game, because his body can't handle the intense rhythm of such games.

It was able to 18 months ago. Maybe there's one more such display. And he wouldn't be alone - Monto, despite being creative, would be able to pitch in on that aspect as well.

[Jack Sparrow]

We're gonna lose this one. I just hope not too badly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[acid911]

Oh, come on, man up, fellas! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angry.gif) What's the worse that can happen?! We're not going to die or anything. Besides, I've got a feeling Barcelona (and in fact, both teams) will play it safe today, and go all out in the return leg. This is what happened last time too. So maybe a draw is on the cards.

Plus, Tarzan (Puyol) has utmost respect for Milan, he'll not let us get embarrassed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Gift a goal or two, maybe!

[drucurl]

But I thought "Allegri was so in love with Uby" and "Urby was typical Allegri favorite". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Urby entered the doghouse when he criticized Allergy

[William405]

Oh, come on, man up, fellas! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angry.gif) What's the worse that can happen?! We're not going to die or anything. Besides, I've got a feeling Barcelona (and in fact, both teams) will play it safe today, and go all out in the return leg. This is what happened last time too. So maybe a draw is on the cards.

Plus, Tarzan (Puyol) has utmost respect for Milan, he'll not let us get embarrassed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Gift a goal or two, maybe!

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Milan's reputation might be further tarnished!!

[Jack Bauer]

Abbiati, Abate, Mexes, Zapata, Constant, Muntari, Ambrosini, Montolivo, Boateng, Pazzini, El Shaarawy

Valdés, Alves, Piqué, Puyol, Alba, Sergio, Xavi, Iniesta, Cesc, Pedro, Messi.

[maldini03]

Abbiati, Abate, Mexes, Zapata, Constant, Muntari, Ambrosini, Montolivo, Boateng, Pazzini, El Shaarawy

Valdés, Alves, Piqué, Puyol, Alba, Sergio, Xavi, Iniesta, Cesc, Pedro, Messi.

Those two lineups are depressing next to one another....
The only players on our side who are better then their Barca counterparts are Abbiati v. Valdes and El Sha v. Pedro

[Jack Bauer]

Those two lineups are depressing next to one another....
The only players on our side who are better then their Barca counterparts are Abbiati v. Valdes and El Sha v. Pedro

And Pazzini v. Messi.

[han2503]

And Pazzini v. Messi.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

We're gonna lose this one. I just hope not too badly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Here's to hope (IMG:style_emoticons/default/96.gif)

[Jack Bauer]

Here's some inspiration for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pD4EFGQDhA
One of the most memorable Milan games ever, still remember it like it was yesterday.

This post has been edited by Jack Bauer: Feb 20 2013, 08:36 PM

[acid911]

Milan's reputation might be further tarnished!!

We've had our share of tarnishment, if that's a a word. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) 1-7 Juventus is as bad as it gets!

[Jack Bauer]

We've had our share of tarnishment, if that's a a word. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) 1-7 Juventus is as bad as it gets!

That was 63 years ago (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[KillerMax]

That was 63 years ago (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

acid was just starting college..

[acid911]

That was 63 years ago

Seems like yesterday to me! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[acid911]

acid was just starting college..

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) No actually that was when I dropped out!

[han2503]

Pazzini working very well so far

[Zed.D]

Toying with us so far.

[Zed.D]

Wow Muntari...

[Jack Bauer]

El Sha (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) What the ****?

[Zed.D]

EL SHA! ****! that touch was so Pato.

[Habitant]

el shar....

[KillerMax]

How is Milan falling for this? They're just passing the ball around and we are running after it like headless chickens. We're gonna be out of gas by the 30th minute...

[KillerMax]

Thinking about the kinds of crosses I've been seeing in football recently, it really puts it into perspective what an amazing crosser of the ball Beckham was. He added a whole another dimension in attack. Especially when he used to play as a winger.

[Zed.D]

Muntari (IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif)

[han2503]

Muntari is seriously the biggest idiot I've ever watched playing professional football!!

[KillerMax]

Sulley Lazy Muntari.

This post has been edited by KillerMax: Feb 20 2013, 09:10 PM

[han2503]

Muntari and Ambro....

No words