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Feb 10 2012, 10:02 AM
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Early kick off on Sturday. I just hope we snap out of it, but no Ibra or VB, plus all the other starters being injured. Sadly, I can't see us winning this. And at this point we should be watching our backs as Lazio are breathing down our necks. With the available players, I'm thinking we'll have to go for something like this (based on what Allegri prefers) Abate--Thiago--Mexes--Mesbah Urby--Ambro--Nocerino Seedorf Robinho--Maxi/El Shaa I think Robinho and El Shaa roam too much to start up front together. We'll need Maxi as a focus point for the attack
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Feb 10 2012, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 10 2012, 10:30 AM)  Eww.. what a hideous lineup. Can't wait for us to lose this game to see everyone doing their routine bashing of Max because he couldn't win with that very amazing squad (IMG: style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) There are better options than that line-up. But Allegri will no doubt choose to go with it. At this point Ambro cannot start, even as a last resort. He's just too much of a liability for us atm. He basically assisted Juve's winner FFS! If Allegri wanted to show some balls, he'll go for something like this Bonera--Mexes--Thiago--Mesbah Urby--Nocerino--Seedorf Robinho El Shaa--Maxi In reality that is the best possible 11 we can put out. Seedorf is just not working out as an AM, he needs to be on that left side to perform well. I think Nocerino is more than capable of playing in the center. Obviously he wouldn't be doing the same job as VB as he's not a holding DM, but he'll certainly do better than calamity Ambro At least with this line-up we'll know that we've tried. The important thing is to keep possession and not lose the ball in dangerous areas. And playing an Ambro, Nocerino, Urby midfield would do just that. Having Seedorf there would help with controling possession better btw, since when is Abate injured?? At this point we won't have a team left for the CL game btw, I love how you guys are already thinking up excuses for Allegri should we lose. And you say we Allegri haters are desperate (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Feb 10 2012, 12:07 PM
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More pain on the way I think. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Feb 10 2012, 03:40 PM
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Called up players for the game against Udinese: Amelia, Roma, Piscitelli (51), Abate, Antonini, Bonera, Mesbah, Mexes, Thiago Silva, Zambrotta, Ambrosini, Emanuelson, Nocerino, Seedorf, Cristante (34), Innocenti (35), El Shaarawy, Inzaghi, Maxi Lopez, Robinho.
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Feb 10 2012, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Feb 10 2012, 04:40 PM)  Called up players for the game against Udinese: Amelia, Roma, Piscitelli (51), Abate, Antonini, Bonera, Mesbah, Mexes, Thiago Silva, Zambrotta, Ambrosini, Emanuelson, Nocerino, Seedorf, Cristante (34), Innocenti (35), El Shaarawy, Inzaghi, Maxi Lopez, Robinho. I don't want to see Seedorf play as AM again, he simply disappoints there. Yet we need his creativity (especially now without Ibrahimovic), and because of the lack of AM then, we should play three forwards including Robinho, and thus the midfielders need to be defensively strong, so Emanuelson must play too since he has a huge defensive contribution (more than Nocerino - who preforms better in a 4 man midfield (because then he can be the 3rd attacker, but with 3 forwards not) and against weaker sides). So I guess I want this midfield+attack to start: El Shaarawy, Maxi López Robinho Seedorf, Ambrosini, Emanuelson If only we signed someone like Honda last month. Instead of Seedorf at AM these days, Honda can play there. Or instead of what I just posted Honda at AM and Nocerino at LCM. Why didn't we sign a much needed creative CM/AM?
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Feb 10 2012, 06:11 PM
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You simply cannot drop a player like Nocerino for either Urby or Ambro, one of them would have to be dropped for him.
I'd personally vote for Ambro, If you want defensive stability than Ambro simply should not play as he's a major liability for us.
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Feb 10 2012, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 10 2012, 06:14 PM)  I don't understand the Nocerino Ambro part. Ambrosini will play as anchor since Van Bommel cannot. That has nothing to do with Nocerino who plays at a whole different position. And I explained why I prefer Emanuelson over Nocerino for this match / for my line-up based on other decisions and missings.
Ambrosini and Emanuelson are our best midfielders available for this match defensive wise. Than Nocerino can play in the center. As I said, he's not a classic holding mid, I agree with that, but he can still do what he does every week from a slightly more central position than his LCM position. This will free up that space for Seedorf, which you agreed to as well. Ambro one of our best mids available?? Really?? He was our biggest enemy against Juve. Even Filippo finally admitted what a problem he was for us on Wednesday. I don't know if you saw the game, but if you did, you wouldn't want Ambro anywhere near that starting team sheet. You can't say Urby and Ambro are our best mids available, not when you want to drop Nocerino for one of them.
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Feb 10 2012, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 10 2012, 09:46 PM)  Than Nocerino can play in the center. As I said, he's not a classic holding mid, I agree with that, but he can still do what he does every week from a slightly more central position than his LCM position. This will free up that space for Seedorf, which you agreed to as well.
Ambro one of our best mids available?? Really?? He was our biggest enemy against Juve. Even Filippo finally admitted what a problem he was for us on Wednesday. I don't know if you saw the game, but if you did, you wouldn't want Ambro anywhere near that starting team sheet.
You can't say Urby and Ambro are our best mids available, not when you want to drop Nocerino for one of them. I said defensive wise, and they are. Ambrosini played good until later in the match when he got tired. He should have been subbed off, because a tired Ambrosini you don't wanna have on the pitch. I don't understand why Allegri didn't sub off Ambrosini, but Van Bommel instead while the latter is suspended tomorrow and Ambrosini will start. I prefer all of Ambrosini, Seedorf and Emanuelson to play as our anchor over Nocerino, I trust them all over him on the ball and when trying to make a sliding or tackle. Ambrosini played a full match last Wednesday, and tomorrow is our next. So maybe we can play Nocerino LCM, Seedorf anchor and Emanuelson RCM. So then Nocerino can still do his runs, unlike as anchor. Stats show not only his nice amount of goals, but also him making very few tackles.
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Feb 10 2012, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 10 2012, 08:55 PM)  I said defensive wise, and they are. Ambrosini played good until later in the match when he got tired. He should have been subbed off, because a tired Ambrosini you don't wanna have on the pitch. I don't understand why Allegri didn't sub off Ambrosini, but Van Bommel instead while the latter is suspended tomorrow and Ambrosini will start.
I prefer all of Ambrosini, Seedorf and Emanuelson to play as our anchor over Nocerino, I trust them all over him on the ball and when trying to make a sliding or tackle. Ambrosini played a full match last Wednesday, and tomorrow is our next. So maybe we can play Nocerino LCM, Seedorf anchor and Emanuelson RCM. So then Nocerino can still do his runs, unlike as anchor. Stats show not only his nice amount of goals, but also him making very few tackles. He wasn't good before he got tired. And I don't know why you don't count Nocerino as someone who contributes defensively. Sure under Allegri's system he makes a lot of runs into the box, but he's primarily a midfielder who breaks up plays for us, and it's what he did at Palermo as well. You don't trust him on the ball? I don't see the sense in this statement as Nocerino has shown some great skill on the ball, he's very refined, while Ambro just stumbles over it. Sure we can play Seedorf in the VB position and leave Nocerino and Urby in their usual positions, I said we should switch Nocerino and Seedorf around so we could get the best out of Seedorf for this match, as keeping possession and a good final pass will be crucial in this game
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Feb 10 2012, 11:29 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 10 2012, 11:15 PM)  He wasn't good before he got tired.
And I don't know why you don't count Nocerino as someone who contributes defensively. Sure under Allegri's system he makes a lot of runs into the box, but he's primarily a midfielder who breaks up plays for us, and it's what he did at Palermo as well.
You don't trust him on the ball? I don't see the sense in this statement as Nocerino has shown some great skill on the ball, he's very refined, while Ambro just stumbles over it.
Sure we can play Seedorf in the VB position and leave Nocerino and Urby in their usual positions, I said we should switch Nocerino and Seedorf around so we could get the best out of Seedorf for this match, as keeping possession and a good final pass will be crucial in this game I agree with the bold part. Ideally Seedorf wouldn't be our anchor. Nocerino when having the ball under pressure deep in midfield I meant to say. Unsure about that. Maybe he can play anchor, but he has to put in more tackles then, be more alert defensive wise. Idunno. It's difficult to resemble a good midfield these days, that's for sure. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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Feb 11 2012, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 10 2012, 11:29 PM)  I agree with the bold part. Ideally Seedorf wouldn't be our anchor. Nocerino when having the ball under pressure deep in midfield I meant to say. Unsure about that. Maybe he can play anchor, but he has to put in more tackles then, be more alert defensive wise. Idunno. It's difficult to resemble a good midfield these days, that's for sure. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Anyway, we'll see, I'm sure Allegri will once again use Ambro and play Seedorf at AM, while one of Maxi, Rob or El Shaa sits out
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Feb 11 2012, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 11 2012, 11:01 AM)  Anyway, we'll see, I'm sure Allegri will once again use Ambro and play Seedorf at AM, while one of Maxi, Rob or El Shaa sits out I don't have anything against Robi sitting out for a while, he's been dreadful. Ambrosini should come off the bench at this point. Udine are a fast switch team and after he's played the Coppa game, we need a fresher and more agile midfielder to start.
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Feb 11 2012, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 11 2012, 01:25 PM)  I don't have anything against Robi sitting out for a while, he's been dreadful.
Ambrosini should come off the bench at this point. Udine are a fast switch team and after he's played the Coppa game, we need a fresher and more agile midfielder to start. Dreadful or not, I think we need him if we have any hope of trying to score (not through him but just in the buildup), especially now without Ibra. Robinho is mostly bad when you push him close to goal, then he's bound to let you down, but as an AM behind El Shaa and Maxi I think he should be more than ok, certainly better than Seedorf who's been struggling terribly in that position. Imo, if we want to get the best out of all of our players, we'll have to sacrifice some of Nocerino's performance and move him to the center. That way it will open up the left side for Seedorf and the AM slot for Robinho QUOTE (acid911 @ Feb 11 2012, 01:34 PM)  For me Allegri is 20/80. Imo this season he's just not asserted himself and made decisions that have affected this team positively. He's been hesistant, negative in his approach and just plain stubborn on certain issues. I give him the 20% due to last season and the injuries that have restrained his decision making this season
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Feb 11 2012, 02:25 PM
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Ha, I give him 50 marks still for last season's success, and him integrating a few younger players (whether by his own will or circumstances), willing to bench seniors every now and then (though don't quite agree how he handled Inzaghi), and well he learns from his mistakes, however slow that learning process is. But truth be told, this Month From Hell should make or break Allegri's fate. I'm not sold on the man when it comes to his CL performances, and it seems to me the higher management isn't too. If he goes down then, I'll be in the 80/20 camp too. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Like I said a few days back, QF exit in Europe and 2nd place finish is what I expect. Of course, he and the team is more than welcome to prove me wrong. At least win the Scudetto, Pete's sake.
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Feb 11 2012, 02:48 PM
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Th Scudetto is still our's to lose, I simply cannot accept that we'll be letting this title slip to this Juve team!! They're not Capello's Juve FFS! They're an average team, they've lost a lot of points against the smaller sides, yet we cannot capitilise on that.
If we do not win the title than Allegri will be out 100% imo. And not just with fans, but I think Silvio will be rid of him as well
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Feb 11 2012, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 11 2012, 06:48 PM)  Th Scudetto is still our's to lose, I simply cannot accept that we'll be letting this title slip to this Juve team!! They're not Capello's Juve FFS! They're an average team, they've lost a lot of points against the smaller sides, yet we cannot capitilise on that. I know, but you're still shortchanging this Juventus. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Sure it's not Capello's Juve, nowhere near it. But after spending years in the wilderness, going to Serie B and coming back, building a new stadium, signing a whole army of players, getting humiliated domestically and in Europe last season or two, these guys are back. Not in "back" back, but this is a good Juventus team, one that knows what they are doing and fight throughout. QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 11 2012, 06:48 PM)  If we do not win the title than Allegri will be out 100% imo. And not just with fans, but I think Silvio will be rid of him as well Can't argue there. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) A QF exit to Arsenal may hurt, may not hurt, but ending up 2nd or 3rd in the league will. QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 11 2012, 06:49 PM)  It's something a lot of fans have been calling for, for a while. Thankfully Max fazed the older players out a little. Yup, procedural phasing out, but it's on. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I don't mind an odd game here and there, an appearance when we are winning comfortably, the last 10-20 minutes, good training and passing on their experience to youngsters, and more importantly, the seniors being ready in case of an injury crisis and playing their part when duty calls. If you have a contract, might as well play. But only when needed. Not starting day in and day out. Good job, Max.
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Feb 11 2012, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE (acid911 @ Feb 11 2012, 03:03 PM)  I know, but you're still shortchanging this Juventus. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Sure it's not Capello's Juve, nowhere near it. But after spending years in the wilderness, going to Serie B and coming back, building a new stadium, signing a whole army of players, getting humiliated domestically and in Europe last season or two, these guys are back. Not in "back" back, but this is a good Juventus team, one that knows what they are doing and fight throughout. No matter how good Juve have become now, we still have a far better overall team than they do. Anyways, we'll see, it's February and while we are losing points against the top sides, Juve are doing the same against the bottom sides, with all the top sides still yet to be faced. But that head to head game will be a huge factor. If we can recover some of our injured starters we should be able to do it. No excuses!
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Feb 11 2012, 03:39 PM
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I would trade going to the semis in cl this season for winning the scudetto
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Feb 11 2012, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 11 2012, 07:34 PM)  No matter how good Juve have become now, we still have a far better overall team than they do. Far better overall, and far better injured. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Just give me Boateng, Aquilani and Pato back. Pretty please! QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 11 2012, 07:34 PM)  Anyways, we'll see, it's February and while we are losing points against the top sides, Juve are doing the same against the bottom sides, with all the top sides still yet to be faced. But that head to head game will be a huge factor. If we can recover some of our injured starters we should be able to do it. No excuses! Agreed. I'd say, this month everyone should be on their toes - the team, management, fans, media, every single person with an interest in AC Milan. The next 4-6 weeks, this month in particular, and up till the return Arsenal leg, anything and everything can go wrong. I only hope the team is motivated, the injured guys get back in form and fitness, and Ibra can pull some wonders. QUOTE (Suhail 3 @ Feb 11 2012, 07:39 PM)  I would trade going to the semis in cl this season for winning the scudetto Ah, but I wouldn't. Italian Champions sounds a million times better than CL Semi Finalists. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) A Semifinal appearance and winning it to go to the final is another thing. But if we are not to win the Champions League this season, I'd happily bow out in the Quarter Finals and focus (as well as win the league). Not winning the Scudetto would mean inter will still have a chance to overtake us for the star (20 league titles). And worse still, Juventus may very well win it this season. Which is something I do not - again, do not - want.
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Feb 11 2012, 05:14 PM
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Official line ups :
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Amelia, Abate, Mexes, Thiago Silva, Mesbah, Emanuelson, Ambrosini, Nocerino, Seedorf, El Shaarawy, Robinho
MILAN BENCH: Roma, Antonini, Bonera, Zambrotta, Cristante (#34), Inzaghi, Maxi Lopez
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Handanovic, Benatia, Danilo, Domizzi, Basta, Isla, Pazienza, Fernandes, Armero, Abdi, Di Natale.
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Feb 11 2012, 05:42 PM
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We'll see what happens hopefully he changes things quickly should it not work
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Feb 11 2012, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 11 2012, 05:57 PM)  Change system, for instance, and play a neat 4-3-3. +1
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Feb 11 2012, 06:43 PM
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Seedorf and Ambro have simply been appaling.
When I see us struggle to even retain possession in our half, I don't know what else to say.
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Feb 11 2012, 06:44 PM
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Why are they punting the ball up to El Shaa and Robinho FFS!!!!
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Feb 11 2012, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 11 2012, 06:43 PM)  Seedorf and Ambro have simply been appaling.
When I see us struggle to even retain possession in our half, I don't know what else to say. It's not just them, it's Robinho as well. Loosing every ball, playing complicated and slow runs that end up with nothing. I don't care how creative he can be, he's useless. Same goes for Emanuelson. He's ducking his responsibilities as AM clearly.
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Feb 11 2012, 06:55 PM
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I do think the 4-3-3 would be a cool project, but in times of crisis you have to believe in your squad, if you try to hard and change the tactics, you're not necessarily better off. Ironically, it is a trait of an inexperienced coach to change everything at the slightest sign of dip in form, especially when it's due from have 90% of your squad on the training bike...
The reason allegri would not want to go 4-3-3 against Udinese is when your midfield 3 have a combined age of 467, there's a reasonable expectation you won't be able to contend against italy's top countering side, that play a midfield 5...
Udinese was always going to challenge our B/C team...
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Feb 11 2012, 06:56 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 11 2012, 06:50 PM)  Barca would struggle with this pair. God only knows how we're going to win games with an injured midfield. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Sorry, but I don't think we need the strength of God or a divine creature to win a game; it goes beyond the plain Seedorf and Ambrosini retire - we need a mental change and a change of plan as well. We're playing just like with Ibra.
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Feb 11 2012, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 11 2012, 06:50 PM)  Barca would struggle with this pair. God only knows how we're going to win games with an injured midfield. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Allegri simply needs to get Ambro off that field. He's such a liability, I can't stand watching him losing the ball and assisting our opponents any more! And his agent has the balls to come out and say that retirment is not an option, at this point it's the only option for him Seedorf like usual struggling big time in the AM position, we all saw it happening. I know we don't have a midfield, but Allegri can change things around by bringing on Maxi and changing Seedorf's position, if he does this, at least we'll know that he did his best. Now onto the players, atm, everyone and this includes the untouchables like Thiago, is one huge mess today. Everyone keeps losing the ball in our half, no one can make a single decent pass, they keep trying to play the long ball to 2 roaming forwards. It's just ahuge mess and getting painful to watch. If we lose this Udine will be level with us, and Lazio might take 2nd spot for us tomorrow. Atm, we need to stop looking and Juve and start watching our backs
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Feb 11 2012, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 11 2012, 06:56 PM)  Way too many injured players is a big alibi, yes, but certain performances by Ambro, Seedorf, Robinho etc. are simply inexcusable. The truth is that the quality of our bench is zero. We could have used someone like Montolivo today, but €3 million was too much for our cheap pockets. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Now that's questionable. I'd say he'd be injured as well (IMG: style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Feb 11 2012, 06:58 PM)  Sleepdwarf off - Maxi in, move FuoriRobi back to AM and shift E-man to midfield... Imo, Ambro is a bigger problem than Seedorf, the goal we conceeded was down to his error.
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Feb 11 2012, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 11 2012, 06:57 PM)  If we lose this Udine will be level with us, and Lazio might take 2nd spot for us tomorrow. Atm, we need to stop looking and Juve and start watching our backs Lazio played and won yesterday han (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Feb 11 2012, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 11 2012, 07:00 PM)  Imo, Ambro is a bigger problem than Seedorf, the goal we conceeded was down to his error. Down to his error? That's unfair; his error may have initiated the goal, but it was down to luck (small deflection) and mostly Toto's brilliance. That said, yes, Ambrosini needs to be subbed, it wasn't wise to play him today.
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Feb 11 2012, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 11 2012, 07:01 PM)  I think you've said it once or twice. Who said what?
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Feb 11 2012, 07:16 PM
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Good God, zero creation, and we still play the combination corner kick. Mind blowing.
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Feb 11 2012, 07:23 PM
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Mesbah saving the 2-0
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Feb 11 2012, 07:27 PM
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Oh nice. Takes off Nocerino, leaves on Ambro!!! Is he blind??!!!!!
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Feb 11 2012, 07:27 PM
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And again, corner combination and nothing. It's like a joke.
Would Allegri mind to make a change? If now isn't the time for Maxi, he can pack his things and go back at once.
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Feb 11 2012, 07:37 PM
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MAXIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
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Never thought I'd write this!!!
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Feb 11 2012, 07:38 PM
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GET IN!!!
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Feb 11 2012, 07:38 PM
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I hope they do not lose their heads like they did against Juve. Play it smart
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Feb 11 2012, 07:39 PM
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Of all the people in all of the world.
Please let us escape with the draw. Get our asses handed to us by Arsenal in the CL. Finish 2nd..and then in summer tell Allegri to shape up or ship out.
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