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Feb 3 2012, 02:09 PM
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The match has been brought forward for an afternoon kick off due to the weather.
As for the game itself, I'm not too hopeful after what I saw against Lazio. If we play like that we'll be in for another humiliating defeat
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Feb 3 2012, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 3 2012, 03:07 PM)  Last match El Shaarawy did.
Then Allegri took him off. El Shaa and the entire attack just wasn't connecting, he had to take someone off at that point and I think he chose to leave Robinho due to more experiance in such situations. He probably wanted to avoid a situation where a chance fell to El Shaa and he'd miss it. That would be totally demoralising for him Imo best team we can go out with is the same as the Lazio line-up but with Seedorf instead of Ambro.
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Feb 3 2012, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 3 2012, 04:12 PM)  El Shaa and the entire attack just wasn't connecting, he had to take someone off at that point and I think he chose to leave Robinho due to more experiance in such situations. He probably wanted to avoid a situation where a chance fell to El Shaa and he'd miss it. That would be totally demoralising for him
Imo best team we can go out with is the same as the Lazio line-up but with Seedorf instead of Ambro. Robinho was a huge disappointment that match. He really was poor, losing possession so easily and all. Not the Robinho I knew. How you can think of reasons to let him on the pitch and take off an in form El Shaarawy instead, is beyond me. He probably wanted to avoid WHAT? Since when does a coach has to worry about such stuff? What kind of excuses are this? Players will miss and score a lot in their football careers, especially forwards. If you want to avoid El Shaarawy being demoralisished, then never ever play him at all, in fact, tell him to quit play football. It was 0-0 at that time for sake! We needed to score, and Allegri subbed off our best preforming forward, and let the one who sucked that day on the pitch. Come on!! No need to defend Allegri for this. His decision made no single sense. Milan went downhill a lot that match when Allegri took off El Shaarawy. I blame Allegri a lot for this loss (not only this sub, also the starting line-up was ridiculous, once again), and I won't forgive him this mistake, because I really had enough of this guy for a while now.
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Feb 3 2012, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 3 2012, 03:38 PM)  Robinho was a huge disappointment that match. He really was poor, losing possession so easily and all. Not the Robinho I knew. How you can think of reasons to let him on the pitch and take off an in form El Shaarawy instead, is beyond me.
He probably wanted to avoid WHAT? Since when does a coach has to worry about such stuff? What kind of excuses are this? Players will miss and score a lot in their football careers, especially forwards. If you want to avoid El Shaarawy being demoralisished, then never ever play him at all, in fact, tell him to quit play football.
It was 0-0 at that time for sake! We needed to score, and Allegri subbed off our best preforming forward, and let the one who sucked that day on the pitch. Come on!!
No need to defend Allegri for this. His decision made no single sense. Milan went downhill a lot that match when Allegri took off El Shaarawy. I blame Allegri a lot for this loss (not only this sub, also the starting line-up was ridiculous, once again), and I won't forgive him this mistake, because I really had enough of this guy for a while now. I'm not trying to defend Allegri but more trying to find some common sense in his motives for such decisions. It was always going to be a decision between Robs and him, he left Robs on even though he had a doosy of a game where he did nothing right. In the end, I doubt the decision to leave him on and take off Robs would have made a lot of difference to the end result. We were bad an deserved to lose. QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Feb 3 2012, 04:14 PM)  Look, we lost, we have a game in 2 days, let's find a way to emotionally overcome the Lazio game. Reja is the most tenured Serie A coach in the league i think. Lazio, were it not for some late-game brilliance from Cassano & ibra, would have deservedly got all 3 points in our first encounter. Now let our pissed off squad go out there and mop the floor with napoli. Isn't this game at the San Siro? If so, we should be able to win this. Agreed
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Feb 3 2012, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 3 2012, 05:48 PM)  We need Aquilani and Boateng back ASAP. Maybe Pato, too. With this sucky Robinho and Cassano out for the entire season, our attack has really downgraded a lot. Yep, all those 4 would totally turn things around for us. That being said, we were still playing like cr@p against the top sides when they were all in the team. Where last season we swept our competitors aside barely breaking a sweat. This season we're making a meal out of such games. And not only that, we're not winning any of those games.
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Feb 3 2012, 09:20 PM
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Boateng has been getting injured a lot this season. Anyone know if all his problems have been muscular as well?
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Feb 3 2012, 10:36 PM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 3 2012, 09:22 PM)  He had too much sex. Don't buy that. If that were the case, all of the players would be constantly injured, not just Boateng
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Feb 4 2012, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE Alessandro Nesta is out of tomorrow’s Milan-Napoli match due to a muscular problem, adding to the lengthy list of injuries.
The veteran defender did not take part in today’s game between ranks at Milanello and is not in the squad for the Sunday afternoon kick-off.
Nesta joins absentees Kevin-Prince Boateng, Mathieu Flamini, Antonio Cassano, Mario Yepes, Alberto Aquilani, Gennaro Gattuso, Alexandre Pato, Alexander Merkel and Rodney Strasser.
There is no room for Pippo Inzaghi either.
Milan squad:Abbiati, Amelia, Abate, Antonini, Bonera, Ely (53), Mesbah, Mexes, Thiago Silva, Zambrotta, Ambrosini, Cristante (34), Emanuelson, Nocerino, Seedorf, Van Bommel, El Shaarawy, Ibrahimovic, Maxi Lopez, Robinho
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Feb 5 2012, 11:45 AM
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No room for Inzaghi means he wasn't selected right? Or is he injured?
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Feb 5 2012, 02:11 PM
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Official lineups
MILAN: Abbiati, Abate, Mexes, Silva, Antonini, Emanuelson, Van Bommel, Nocerino, Seedorf, Ibrahimovic, Robinho.
NAPOLI: De Sanctis, Campagnaro, Cannavaro, Aronica, Maggio, Gargano, Dzemaili, Zuniga, Lavezzi, Hamsik, Cavani.
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Feb 5 2012, 02:25 PM
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Like I said. He learned from Lazio. Now we can actually have a shot.
What's with Muntari, injured or?
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Feb 5 2012, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 5 2012, 03:25 PM)  Like I said. He learned from Lazio. Now we can actually have a shot.
What's with Muntari, injured or? Well,since you said that he learns from his mistakes,and adapts.Then,doesn't that show that he has a great character,and is willing to have several plans if one fails?Heck,Inter's first coach this season(forgot his name??) kept on using the same tactics and failed again and again..
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Feb 5 2012, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 5 2012, 01:34 PM)  Well,since you said that he learns from his mistakes,and adapts.Then,doesn't that show that he has a great character,and is willing to have several plans if one fails? That would be logical, but this is Max, he's not allowed to make a mistake in the first place. His players are, because, y'know, it's Max's fault regardless. QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Feb 5 2012, 01:37 PM)  Can't be today. Max has put out a team the tactical oracles would be happy with.
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Feb 5 2012, 02:47 PM
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Starting line-up is only just a percentage in what results in a win. Tactics and mindset of the players are a big factor as well. We've just come off a bad loss. If the players bounce back today and play well, than I'll be happy to praise Allegri for that. If not, well...
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Feb 5 2012, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2012, 02:49 PM)  And this is what annoys me. We are winning under him and people still think he's "doing it wrong". Which is exactly what I meant by my comparison in the other thread. 2 coaches he won yet the fans wanted gone because they don't like how they play. Winning? We won a scudetto last season, as in past tense. What matters is the now and the future, not what we achieved last season. And this season we're on course to actually hand over this title to Juve.
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Feb 5 2012, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2012, 09:49 PM)  And this is what annoys me. We are winning under him and people still think he's "doing it wrong". Which is exactly what I meant by my comparison in the other thread. 2 coaches he won yet the fans wanted gone because they don't like how they play. We only win against sh!t teams.. Last season we won the scudetto because our rivals dropped a heap of points and virtually handed us the scudetto... Allegri wasn't a good coach last season and he's not a good one this season... Decision making is poor and doesn't play any sort of entertaining football.
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Feb 5 2012, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 5 2012, 01:52 PM)  Winning?
We won a scudetto last season, as in past tense. What matters is the now and the future, not what we achieved last season. And this season we're on course to actually hand over this title to Juve. I didn't realise there was a timeframe that decides whether someone is a winning coach or not. Current coach of the Champions is Max Allegri, so yeah, we're winning under him. QUOTE (shevchenko_007 @ Feb 5 2012, 01:53 PM)  We only win against sh!t teams.. Last season we won the scudetto because our rivals dropped a heap of points and virtually handed us the scudetto... Lack of logic lacks logic. Don't you think if our rivals are dropping points to lesser teams, as well as ourselves, that maybe the rest of Serie A isn't "****" as you most respectfully put it? And by the way, the points total we got last season would be enough to win the title in other seasons, it's not like it was a fluke one off where we won it with 70 points or something.
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Feb 5 2012, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2012, 02:57 PM)  I didn't realise there was a timeframe that decides whether someone is a winning coach or not. Current coach of the Champions is Max Allegri, so yeah, we're winning under him. I made an emphasis on the past tense because you base all you pre-Allegri arguments around the fact that he won us the title in his debut season. While Carlo only managed to do so once. Fair enough, I always agreed with you that Carlo should have done better domestically and it was an achievment on Allegri's part to win it during his first season with us. That being said, that is still in the past. What I and other fans care about is the now, and this season we simply have not managed to win any of the games against our direct rivals. And if we do not win the title this season, we will be the ones who lost it, not Juve winning it. Simply because Allegri has the best squad in the league, and there should not be any excuses
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Feb 5 2012, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 5 2012, 02:34 PM)  Well,since you said that he learns from his mistakes,and adapts.Then,doesn't that show that he has a great character,and is willing to have several plans if one fails?Heck,Inter's first coach this season(forgot his name??) kept on using the same tactics and failed again and again.. I was referring to my prior assessment. I said he usually makes his mistake right but repeats it a few matches afterwards again. One step forward, two back (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Feb 5 2012, 03:03 PM
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Ahhh, this discussion starts to be boring. How much credit should Allegri be given for "his" scudetto win?
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Feb 5 2012, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2012, 10:07 PM)  A lot. Why shouldn't he? Because he has been handed a talented squad that he has managed to turn them into boring players and they sometimes lack motivation. A good coach would be able to make these players play beautifully and we should be getting more out of them.
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Feb 5 2012, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2012, 03:01 PM)  And if the players don't play well? Surely them playing in a system you guys want and still not performing would prove that maybe it is the players under-performing? A system we want? This is far from it. His decision to keep including Urby still baffles me tbh
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Feb 5 2012, 03:26 PM
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I can see us conceeding a couple on the counter.
It's the same BS as usual, we keep possession run into bricks walls and get countered
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Feb 5 2012, 03:30 PM
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Ibra finally wakes up and Robinho ruins it
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Feb 5 2012, 03:47 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2012, 03:35 PM)  Hmm.
Lazio: Ambro started and you complained saying Urby should be starting instead.
Napoli: Urby starts are the decision baffles you, despite you wanting it the previous game.
Riiiiiight. Pretty much shows up your agenda right there, han. I said Urby because I know that's something that Allegri would at least consider to start. I personally wanted Seedorf there and we go with 3 up front but Allegri would never even consider that Even if I don't want Urby starting, anything is better than Ambro
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Feb 5 2012, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 5 2012, 02:47 PM)  Even if I don't want Urby starting, anything is better than Ambro Then it's not exactly baffling is it, given that Ambro and a kid are our only other real CM options. Think a MVB, Nocerino, Seedorf midfield would get oway over run. I'd bring off Robi for Maxi/El Sha.
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Feb 5 2012, 03:56 PM
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Robinho is utterly useless and proves this match after match. Such a dreadful season for him.
Now, back to the coach issue. You know what...this is how I see it finally: February is the decisive month for us on all fronts. We've already lost against Lazio, won against Cagliari in an unimpressive manner and lost earlier on against Inter. I don't see Milan is in the right mindset to overcome these hard fixtures. And Allegri lacks to much the preparational skills of a so many times mentioned Ancelotti or Capello, so IMO our chances to surpass victoriously this month look rather grim.
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Feb 5 2012, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2012, 03:12 PM)  So you think Fabio and Carlo were bad coaches? Because they are dull as hell. But they still win.And who cares how they play? He won the Scudetto with a pretty poor and ageing squad. "talented squad". (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Talk about boring, negative, crappy football so far today, could we be any worse? Have you actually seen the Capello Milan and the Ancelotti Milan at their heights? With Ancelotti we played some of the most offensive and attractive football in Europe.
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Feb 5 2012, 04:00 PM
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Antonini should go off for El Shaarawy and Seedorf for Maxi Lopez. Then we play: Abbiati Abate - Mexes - Silva - Emanuelson van Bommel - Nocerino Robinho - Ibrahimovic - El Shaarawy Maxi Lopez Milan bench: Amelia (GK), Mesbah, Bonera, Zambrotta (DEF), Ambrosini (MID), El Shaarawy, Maxi Lopez (ATT).
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Feb 5 2012, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 5 2012, 02:58 PM)  Have you actually seen the Capello Milan and the Ancelotti Milan at their heights? With Ancelotti we played some of the most offensive and attractive football in Europe. And Carlo's last years? Fabio under England/Madrid? They were/are dull as hell. And of course they were good at their heights, they had a FAR better team, man for man. Maybe Ibra would get into those teams, maybe, and that's it. When Max has a ridiculous amount of money to spend and some of the top players in the World, we'll play some of the most dominating football again. (though he'll never get the money).
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QUOTE (shevchenko_007 @ Feb 5 2012, 04:01 PM)  I think kurtsimonw is actually Allegri in disguise with the way he's defending him.. So I am just keeping my Allegri opinions to myself from now on, which may be wise for everyone else. Yep, I think we should reserve judgement for mid-March
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Feb 5 2012, 04:04 PM
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Amelia for Abbiati. Another injury...
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Feb 5 2012, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2012, 04:00 PM)  And Carlo's last years? Fabio under England/Madrid? They were/are dull as hell. The last two seasons he had a piss poor squad which was half as good as Allegri's. But yes, it was dull football from times, on that we agree. QUOTE And of course they were good at their heights, they had a FAR better team, man for man. Maybe Ibra would get into those teams, maybe, and that's it. When Max has a ridiculous amount of money to spend and some of the top players in the World, we'll play some of the most dominating football again. (though he'll never get the money). Problem is, even with the team Ancelotti had in 2003-2008 I don't see Allegri handling the creativity issue so well as Carletto. I can't imagine him having the guts to play with Sergio and Cafu as fullbacks and having Seedorf and Kaka with Pippo and Sheva. But...that's another story, let's stop here.
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Feb 5 2012, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE (shevchenko_007 @ Feb 5 2012, 04:01 PM)  I think kurtsimonw is actually Allegri in disguise with the way he's defending him.. So I am just keeping my Allegri opinions to myself from now on, which may be wise for everyone else. Yes, it seems rather pointless.
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Feb 5 2012, 04:09 PM
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
How can he miss that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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