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Dec 16 2011, 04:48 PM
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MILAN (3rd) V SIENA (17th) MATCHDAY THREAD QUOTE TEAM NEWS: Milan are without defender Mario Yepes, who is expected to be missing for 10 weeks with a damaged ankle. Milan are also without Gianluca Zambrotta and Alessandro Nesta.
Siena have no major injury worries with strikers Emanuele Calaio and Mattia Destro set to continue up front.
MATCH STATS: AC Milan and Siena have met 14 times in Serie A, with the Tuscans winning just once (2-1 at home in April 2005); the Rossoneri have won 11, including each of the last five meetings.
AC Milan have failed to score against Siena just once in Serie A (a goalless draw back in October 2006).
That was the only game AC Milan have failed to win at home against Siena; six wins for the Rossoneri complete the record.
Siena have never scored more than a single goal at AC Milan’s ground.
Last Sunday’s 2-2 draw in Bologna extended AC Milan’s unbeaten run to nine games (seven wins and two draws).
At home, Massimiliano Allegri’s side remain unbeaten in 2011 (17 games), and have won their last five at the San Siro conceding overall just one goal.
AC Milan have scored exactly four goals in each of their last three home games.
The Rossoneri boast the best attack of this competition (31 goals).
This season AC Milan have won just one of the six games in which Alexandre Pato has played (17%), but have won seven of the eight in which the Brazilian hasn’t featured (88%).
Siena have lost their last three league games without scoring a single goal.
Away from home, their last win was back in February (a run of 13 games). SourceP.S. don't blame me for opening the thread if we don't win (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Dec 16 2011, 05:42 PM
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Pato has played all of 6 games this season. Let's get off it.
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Dec 16 2011, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 16 2011, 05:58 PM)  So, our back-line against Siena should look like this: Roma De Sciglio - Bonera - T. Silva - Taiwo (IMG: style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) That's worrying. Up to Silva to organise it and keep everyone in place. I'd have Mexes in there alongside him and switch Bonera to right back
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Dec 16 2011, 06:14 PM
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Oh god, it can't get any worse, does it?
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Dec 16 2011, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 16 2011, 06:26 PM)  Thank god it's only Siena at the San Siro. We played dreadful against Bologna, so I'm not confident even if it is only Siena.
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Dec 16 2011, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 16 2011, 08:03 PM)  I know. My point is that it's better it happened against Siena than against Napoli or Juve, as acid said. Surely. Yes, it could get worse, always. Still, I just hope we won't once again loose points.
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Dec 16 2011, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE (Calcio @ Dec 16 2011, 11:02 PM)  No blaming me if it goes belly up mind Ha, there are two disclaimers already then. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) One from you, and one from Ash who started this thread. QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 17 2011, 12:03 AM)  I know. My point is that it's better it happened against Siena than against Napoli or Juve, as acid said. Exactly. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) And with Juventus and Roma sharing the points last match, the team will be doubly motivated. Shtick could have hit the fan if they walked away with three points and increased their lead at the top. Now, even with a makeshift defense, the team will still be in its senses seeing we play home, against the boys from Siena. The winter break, hopefully heals most of our players up, and we should hit our stride come January. Then the CL.
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Dec 16 2011, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 16 2011, 07:55 PM)  We played dreadful against Bologna, so I'm not confident even if it is only Siena. The problems against Bologna were mostly sparked from the mentality in which the game was approached with
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Dec 17 2011, 12:12 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 16 2011, 11:58 PM)  And from the Seedorf-MvB-Aquilani suicidal midfield. I don't think that's much to do with it at all. That's a very basic midfield set-up which is deployed by most top sides. Imo we should be playing a more versatile midfield than 2 DMs and a single playmaker, like any other top side would. Having Boateng in the midfield 3 would have made more sense, but Allegri is hard headed, so the day we'll see Boateng moved permanently into his natural position is the day I walk on water In games like this, we should be able to go a more attacking and dynamic route, thus meaning removing the extra DM. What was upsetting to see on my part was the complete lack of effort from the team. Just completely lathargic as if we've already won it without having to lift a finger. That is the attitude that has gotten us into big trouble in the past. In an other reality that midfield should have had no problem cutting through Bologna, but like usual we made a meal of it because the players simply couldn't care less and were expecting the win to be gifted to them, mind you, the ref almost tried to do just that (IMG: style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Dec 17 2011, 12:15 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 17 2011, 12:12 AM)  I don't think that's much to do with it at all. That's a very basic midfield set-up which is deployed by most top sides. Imo we should be playing a more versatile midfield than 2 DMs and a single playmaker, like any other top side would. Having Boateng in the midfield 3 would have made more sense, but Allegri is hard headed, so the day we'll see Boateng moved permanently into his natural position is the day I walk on walterIn games like this, we should be able to go a more attacking and dynamic route, thus meaning removing the extra DM. What was upsetting to see on my part was the complete lack of effort from the team. Just completely lathargic as if we've already won it without having to lift a finger. That is the attitude that has gotten us into big trouble in the past. In an other reality that midfield should have had no problem cutting through Bologna, but like usual we made a meal of it because the players simply couldn't care less and were expecting the win to be gifted to them, mind you, the ref almost tried to do just that (IMG: style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Poor fella bit harsh on good old Walter (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Dec 17 2011, 12:19 AM
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QUOTE (Calcio @ Dec 17 2011, 12:15 AM)  Poor fella bit harsh on good old Walter (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) NOT ANOTHER ONE OF YOU!!! Acid look, your long lost soulmate!! Another spelling nazi
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Dec 17 2011, 12:30 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 17 2011, 12:12 AM)  I don't think that's much to do with it at all. That's a very basic midfield set-up which is deployed by most top sides. Imo we should be playing a more versatile midfield than 2 DMs and a single playmaker, like any other top side would. Having Boateng in the midfield 3 would have made more sense, but Allegri is hard headed, so the day we'll see Boateng moved permanently into his natural position is the day I walk on water In games like this, we should be able to go a more attacking and dynamic route, thus meaning removing the extra DM. What was upsetting to see on my part was the complete lack of effort from the team. Just completely lathargic as if we've already won it without having to lift a finger. That is the attitude that has gotten us into big trouble in the past. In an other reality that midfield should have had no problem cutting through Bologna, but like usual we made a meal of it because the players simply couldn't care less and were expecting the win to be gifted to them, mind you, the ref almost tried to do just that (IMG: style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Good post. I agree 100%
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Dec 17 2011, 12:43 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 17 2011, 12:12 AM)  I don't think that's much to do with it at all. That's a very basic midfield set-up which is deployed by most top sides. Imo we should be playing a more versatile midfield than 2 DMs and a single playmaker, like any other top side would. Having Boateng in the midfield 3 would have made more sense, but Allegri is hard headed, so the day we'll see Boateng moved permanently into his natural position is the day I walk on water
In games like this, we should be able to go a more attacking and dynamic route, thus meaning removing the extra DM. It's not much about the set-up rather than who the interpreters are, i.e. two 35-y-o's and someone like Aquilani who's not good defensively. I think Nocerino is crucial to our game, because he adds that something which a guy like Seedorf never will at his old age. The guy covers spaces, pressures the opponents, tracks back, is deadly at inserting from the defenders' backs and he's even pretty skilled. A complete midfielder IMO, someone we cannot make do without. Seedorf offers very little. He's excellent at possession and handling the ball, but the guy fails at everything else. He'd be alright I guess if we had someone like De Rossi alongside Nocerino that would cover his back. But playing him, Aquilani and Van Bommel, especially against a team like Barcelona, is out of this world. I still haven't figured out what Allegri was thinking there.
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Dec 17 2011, 02:03 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 17 2011, 01:43 AM)  It's not much about the set-up rather than who the interpreters are, i.e. two 35-y-o's and someone like Aquilani who's not good defensively. I think Nocerino is crucial to our game, because he adds that something which a guy like Seedorf never will at his old age. The guy covers spaces, pressures the opponents, tracks back, is deadly at inserting from the defenders' backs and he's even pretty skilled. A complete midfielder IMO, someone we cannot make do without.
Seedorf offers very little. He's excellent at possession and handling the ball, but the guy fails at everything else. He'd be alright I guess if we had someone like De Rossi alongside Nocerino that would cover his back. But playing him, Aquilani and Van Bommel, especially against a team like Barcelona, is out of this world. I still haven't figured out what Allegri was thinking there. Yes,Nocerino has been so integral for us.He's much more than a defensive midfielder,well said. If we can get a couple of Nocerinos' for like 500k each,i'm all for it (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Dec 17 2011, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 17 2011, 12:43 AM)  It's not much about the set-up rather than who the interpreters are, i.e. two 35-y-o's and someone like Aquilani who's not good defensively. I think Nocerino is crucial to our game, because he adds that something which a guy like Seedorf never will at his old age. The guy covers spaces, pressures the opponents, tracks back, is deadly at inserting from the defenders' backs and he's even pretty skilled. A complete midfielder IMO, someone we cannot make do without.
Seedorf offers very little. He's excellent at possession and handling the ball, but the guy fails at everything else. He'd be alright I guess if we had someone like De Rossi alongside Nocerino that would cover his back. But playing him, Aquilani and Van Bommel, especially against a team like Barcelona, is out of this world. I still haven't figured out what Allegri was thinking there. I agree about Nocerino. That being said, this is Bologna/Siena, not Barcelona. The difference there is immense. Seedorf was one of the few who did some decent stuff last weekend, so I don't get how he's coming into it just because of his age. If we really want to criticise, than Boateng, Aquilani, etc were worse than Seedorf and they're a lot younger than him. Age is not the issue, Seedorf can control the midfield without even really trying on his day, no matter how old he is. The attitude was still the biggest problem, Nocerino is great at giving that something extra but he wouldn't have made the difference if the other 10 players around him could barely give a sh!t. QUOTE (acid911 @ Dec 17 2011, 07:28 AM)  (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Na, he's more of a Walter Payton fan. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) There is only one gramm ear police, and that's me! Not much of a police there are we... (IMG: style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)
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Dec 17 2011, 04:03 PM
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I'd rather have a kid playing on the right then Bonera. But well, we knew all along it will be Bonera.
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Dec 17 2011, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 17 2011, 11:11 AM)  I agree about Nocerino.
That being said, this is Bologna/Siena, not Barcelona. The difference there is immense. Seedorf was one of the few who did some decent stuff last weekend, so I don't get how he's coming into it just because of his age. If we really want to criticise, than Boateng, Aquilani, etc were worse than Seedorf and they're a lot younger than him. Age is not the issue, Seedorf can control the midfield without even really trying on his day, no matter how old he is. The attitude was still the biggest problem, Nocerino is great at giving that something extra but he wouldn't have made the difference if the other 10 players around him could barely give a sh!t. I don't think the attitude was as sluggish as you make it sound. We've seen worse this season (Napoli, Juve). It's true that we didn't put the maximum of effort to win the game, but we still wanted to win it nevertheless. I'm not criticizing Seedorf per se. He did have a decent game after all, and it's alright to play him against the Bologna's and Cesena's every once in a while. However, we cannot play him alongside Van Bommel and Aquilani. Barcelona or Bologna, that still leaves us vulnerable to attacks. Especially if we consider that Yepes/Bonera and Antonini were playing as well. QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Dec 17 2011, 02:44 PM)  That's great! Let's hope so.
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Dec 17 2011, 07:28 PM
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Amelia, Bonera, Mexes, T.Silva, Taiwo, Seedorf, Van Bommel, Nocerino, Boateng, Ibra, Robinho.
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Dec 17 2011, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Dec 17 2011, 07:28 PM)  Amelia, Bonera, Mexes, T.Silva, Taiwo, Seedorf, Van Bommel, Nocerino, Boateng, Ibra, Robinho. Don't understand why he dropped Pato and Aquilani... So Robinho could miss another sitter from a yard out? (IMG: style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Dec 17 2011, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Dec 17 2011, 07:56 PM)  Pato played a perfect game, and now he's benched????? Geeee!!!!!!!! Did not say that, but what Robinho has wasted in his last 2 games, not to mention his luckluster performances in inexcusable, no matter how Pato played in a single game
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Dec 17 2011, 08:53 PM
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Nocerino is just everywhere! Most consistent player for us this season by far.
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Dec 17 2011, 09:03 PM
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Oh! So close Ibra!
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Dec 17 2011, 09:07 PM
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Boateng now! So close again. Saved
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Dec 17 2011, 09:24 PM
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How was that VB making the foul exactly?
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Dec 17 2011, 09:24 PM
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They're not using Ibra correctly, too many bad crsses coming in from the right side. Nocerino's effectivness has been reduced to 0% since he move to the right
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Dec 17 2011, 09:25 PM
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Right, the minute I post it, it goes woosh! (IMG: style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Anyway, I hate these sorts of matches. We just can't seem to break them down, no matter what we do. Quality is lacking in the final half. And Taiwo is playing, um, shall we say, cautiously. Not a bad half an hour or so from him. But we need to break Siena in the next 30 minutes. Or else.
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Dec 17 2011, 09:34 PM
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They need to do a looooot better
Nocerino needs to go back to the right. I'd personally take off Seedorf move Boateng to the right of midfield, bring on Pato and put Robs behind them.
We're not going to break them down with this slow predictable play. Taiwo is the only decent crosser. Yet Bonera is the only one pushing forward and he can't put in a decent cross to save his life.
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Dec 17 2011, 09:37 PM
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Taiwo is also pushing up forward, yet Ibra, Robs and Seedorf seem to ignore him too many times. He's doing his best and offensively is a refreshment, but defensively he's still a liability even against Siena. There was a situation Seedorf had to play fullback because he didn't even try coming back and covering the left side.
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Dec 17 2011, 09:44 PM
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QUOTE (drucurl @ Dec 18 2011, 01:36 AM)  Hey guys anyone got a stream for the Milan match??? I thought we were playing Siena today but I think I'm seeing Cagliari and their coach. Thanks in advance Well I just linked to one above, but it went zap, soon after! That was more than decent. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) HD quality, no lag, etc. Anyway, this is the second best I've found. Thank yous on a postcard, please: http://livetv2.info/kanal5.html
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Dec 17 2011, 09:50 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 17 2011, 09:51 PM)  Did not say that, but what Robinho has wasted in his last 2 games, not to mention his luckluster performances in inexcusable, no matter how Pato played in a single game Pato's preformances are inexcusable I would say. Pato is not even trying. Pretty much everygame he is MIA, not getting involved, if only he would, like Robinho does, and helps linking up, like Robinho, and helps contributing in a defense way, like Robinho does, etc he would be my choice over Robinho easily. And you can name a game Pato did this, but then we are talking about an exception, most of the times Pato is either useless, or has scored a goal and for the rest has been useless. Pato should be the better of the two, but he isn't. Robinho is doing a much better job for Milan than Pato. And you take that away way too easily because he ruins lots of chances, which indeed deserves critism and should be way better. Pato's bad things you easily look over, because he's our young striker who has world class potential and is our best goalscorer, and of course, that's the most important thing: as long you are the best finisher/shooter. Guess what: it's not. Better increase the chances of your team scoring, which Robinho does, and also helping avoiding goals.
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Dec 17 2011, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE (acid911 @ Dec 17 2011, 04:44 PM)  Well I just linked to one above, but it went zap, soon after! That was more than decent. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) HD quality, no lag, etc. Anyway, this is the second best I've found. Thank yous on a postcard, please: http://livetv2.info/kanal5.htmlthanks bro!! (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Dec 17 2011, 09:58 PM
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NOCERINOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Dec 17 2011, 09:59 PM
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This is getting way too funny (IMG: style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Dec 17 2011, 10:00 PM
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His 6th Milan goal in Serie A.
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Dec 17 2011, 10:00 PM
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Hopefully Nocerino moves back to the left now that Aqui is on. Despite the goal, he's been missing ever since he shifted to the right side
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