[han2503]

I know people have been dieing to talk about this, which is why I didn't open it ahead of the Lazio thread since we'd camp here most likely (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I'm not optimistic and I'l consider a draw like a win. The defence today showed some major vulnerabilities, if we have to play Antonini at LB once again then I wouldn't exclude a mauling (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Allegri picking Ambro for the midfield is worrying and Im 99.9% sure that this will be the case. Seedorf will most likely take Aquilani's spot, even if I thnk Aqui deserves his spot, even just for his amazing corners, I mean when was the last time we scored off one of those??

So my team would be

Abate--Nesta--Thiago--Zambro
Nocerino--VB--See/Aqui
Boateng
Ibra--Pato

I'd prefer it if Boateng was moved back on the left, but I don't think there's the slightest chance of seeing that one happen

What Allegri will pick (cue a million (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) here)

Abate--Nesta--Thiago--Zambro
Ambro--VB--Seedorf
Boateng
Ibra--Pato

Don't know if Zambro will be fit but I'm seriously on my knees praying for it, we simply cannot go into it with Antonini playing there, play Yepes and make him stay back if you have to but please, no Antonini against Messi & Co. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

[acid911]

It begins, then. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) Let's go and teach those guys a lesson. Pato, Silva and Ibra have to be at their absolute best!

[han2503]

It begins, then. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) Let's go and teach those guys a lesson. Pato, Silva and Ibra have to be at their absolute best!

Nesta as well, he's starting out rather shakily, but I think I remember the same thing from him last season.

This Barca game couldn't have come at a worse time.

Our midfield is still not in order, the defence is a bit shaky and we're still adjusting after all the setbacks in preseason with the strike and injuries to key players and international break

[acid911]

Agreed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I thought Nesta did rather well today, some shakey wakey like you said, but he overcame it all by the end. That sure-fire goal that he saved was epic, as was his usual partnership with Silva. I think we are well covered in the CB department, and can pretty much stuff it up to Barcelona if they come from the center.

Now the flanks are another thing entirely, and I would prefer both our full backs to prowl in our half most of the time.

[Jack Sparrow]

Which would be a problem. I saw the Lazio match. How narrow we were was something that had to be seen to be believed.

It was senseless. Narrow midfield with just one creative mid??!! WTF were we trying to do?? You can't pass with that midfield...and yet you keep it narrow.

Poor Ambro had to switch play all the while... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[Bluesummers]

My team:

Abbiati

-Abate-nesta-Silva-zambro

---------van bommel--------
----boateng---ambrosini--aquilani--

--------------Ibra---Cassano--------------

[han2503]

My team:

Abbiati

-Abate-nesta-Silva-zambro

---------van bommel--------
----boateng---ambrosini--aquilani--

--------------Ibra---Cassano--------------

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Ambro behind the strikers blue? Really? I'd rather pull my hair out one by one. Ambro shouldn't be on the field, full stop.

[Bluesummers]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Ambro behind the strikers blue? Really? I'd rather pull my hair out one by one. Ambro shouldn't be on the field, full stop.

no am,

1 dmf , 3 cmf.


We won't be creating anythign anyways as we won't have possession. We don't need an am.

We have to defend against barcelona.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Sep 10 2011, 10:37 AM

[han2503]

no am,

1 dmf , 3 cmf.


We won't be creating anythign anyways as we won't have possession. We don't need an am.

We have to defend against barcelona.

I'd rather we gave Nocerino a chance, and Ambro is barely a DM anymore, let alone able to cut it as CM. And trying to defend for our live will only get us hammered.

I'd rather stick to our system

VB covering the center, Nocerino doing the running and unsettling guys live Xavi and Iniesta, Seedorf using the limited posession we have wisely. Boateng will most likely have to drop off a lot and help out the midfield 3. What we need to do is stay compact, going out there with a Mourinho mentality of trying to kick them off the ball won't work

[Bluesummers]

I'd rather we gave Nocerino a chance, and Ambro is barely a DM anymore, let alone able to cut it as CM. And trying to defend for our live will only get us hammered.

I'd rather stick to our system

VB covering the center, Nocerino doing the running and unsettling guys live Xavi and Iniesta, Seedorf using the limited posession we have wisely. Boateng will most likely have to drop off a lot and help out the midfield 3. What we need to do is stay compact, going out there with a Mourinho mentality of trying to kick them off the ball won't work

You'd stick a guy who came from palermo with no CL experience against a team like barca? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) you must be joking?

Ambro has experience and if anything this is the game to be playing guys like van bommel, ambro, seedorf. Players who won't sh*t their pants when they see messi on the fieeld.


Our system won't work, we need guys who will cover our most dangerous area, the top of the 18 yard box. We need to play them like Shaktar did, defend as a unit and wait until they start pushing their CB's up and then we win the ball and counter.

Only way. If we go and attack them, it'll be 4-0 at least.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Sep 10 2011, 10:48 AM

[han2503]

You'd stick a guy who came from palermo with no CL experience against a team like barca? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) you must be joking?

Ambro has experience and if anything this is the game to be playing guys like van bommel, ambro, seedorf. Players who won't sh*t their pants when they see messi on the fieeld.


Our system won't work, we need guys who will cover our most dangerous area, the top of the 18 yard box. We need to play them like Shaktar did, defend as a unit and wait until they start pushing their CB's up and then we win the ball and counter.

Only way. If we go and attack them, it'll be 4-0 at least.

You'd want Ambro? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

The man can barely keep up against Lazio. He was invisable yesterday, he was supposed to be covering the defence, but until VB came on it was like we were playing without anyone there, and you want him trying to cover Iniesta and to track Messi?

Nocerino might be coming from a small steam, but he's a full International and plaed for Italy against Spain as well. He's no rookie we plucked out of Serie B. At this point I'd trust him more then Ambro and Rino combined. But, we'll most likely see your theory come to play since Allegri will play Ambro over Nocerino, can't wait to see everybody shouting and cursing at him here...

And playing a completely different system which players are unfamiliar with will? How will a 4-2-3-1 with 5 CMs work exactly? We need to stick with what works and what the players are comfortable with, we need both Zlatan and Pato there because they give us 2 different outlets we can use.

We don't play a pure AM, Boateng will mostly make it a 4 man midfield when we're defending, which will be most of the time. Everyone will work hard to cover the spaces, making sure to track their runners. Trying to defend for everything we're worth is more then likely to result in a loss. Simply because we won't be able to handle that pressure, especially if we have Antonini on the left.

[Danny]

After the Lazio result, if we manage even a draw on Tuesday night I'll be stunned.

I expect us to qualify from the group but to seriously struggle in both Catalan matches.

[han2503]

After the Lazio result, if we manage even a draw on Tuesday night I'll be stunned.

I expect us to qualify from the group but to seriously struggle in both Catalan matches.

I'll take the draw as a win.

Against Lazio we mostly missed VB and a solid LB.

Apparently Zambro was left out as a precaution, as well as Seedorf and Robs. So we should be able to recover those 3 and start with VB and Seedorf.

Not that I wasn't happy with Aquilani, he practically made both goals himself, but he's still too green for Barca, he's not completely familiar with the system and what is required of him. Nocerino on the other hand is basically doing the same thing he did at Palermo, which is why he slotted in so easily.

[d'Arc.LP]

I'd like to see us playing like this against Barcelona :

Abbiati
Abate - Nesta/Yepes - Silva - Zambrotta
Nocerino - Van Bommel - Boateng
Aquilani
Pato - Ibrahimovic

Robinho , Cassano and Seedorf substituting Aquilani, Pato and Van Bommel

EDIT: Just read that Taiwo is ready for the game, so if it's true, he should start.

This post has been edited by d'Arc.LP: Sep 10 2011, 12:35 PM

[han2503]

I'd like to see us playing like this against Barcelona :

Abbiati
Abate - Nesta/Yepes - Silva - Zambrotta
Nocerino - Van Bommel - Boateng
Aquilani
Pato - Ibrahimovic

Robinho , Cassano and Seedorf substituting Aquilani, Pato and Van Bommel

EDIT: Just read that Taiwo is ready for the game, so if it's true, he should start.

Please no Yepes for this one. Yes Nesta had a shaky start but he recovered greatly in the second half and was flawless after a shaky mistake or two in the first.

Personally I'd prefer Zambro starting, I'm not 100% sold on Taiwo yet in terms of his defending.

I agree with you entire midfield and attack, I'd rather see Boateng in the 3 man midfield, but Allegri will most likely choose Seedorf and Ambro instead of the Nocerino and Aquilani

[CHU-LIP]

Assuming Taiwo can't start this match, Zambrotta is most logical option left for leftback. Nesta was not only very poor against Lazio, but also during pre-season. He simply is not ready for Barça, if he ever will be again. Yepes has proven to be an excellent defender for both Milan and his NT, so at least for now I will trust him more. Hopefully Mexes won't need too long to recover fully.

Aquilani has been excellent yesterday, and Seedorf has been also this year. Both should start, and Van Bommel is the obvious choice in front of our defense: just ask Sneijder. Because we play away vs Barça, I guess Nocerino seems a better choice than Boateng who can be poor and reckless.

I expect Barça making the play and we should be able to have some sort of counter. Robinho and Pato are quick, and Pato is an excellent finisher: our best. Robinho's workrate and energy should be a reason to start him over Cassano, who was key yesterday, but Barça is a different story. And at the same time Cassano is our biggest weapon as a sub. Also now I didn't pick Boateng, Robinho is even more needed to have enough pace in the team. The decision between Pato and Ibrahimovic is tough for me, but Ibrahimovic vs a team like Barça doesn't seem to work, and how are we going to play then anyway? And all midfielders are good passers making Pato's runs more than useful.

Pato, Robinho
Aquilani
Seedorf, Van Bommel, Nocerino
Zambrotta, Yepes, Thiago Silva, Abate
Abbiati

bench: Roma*, Taiwo**, Nesta, Ambrosini, Boateng, Cassano, Ibrahimovic

* did well everytime he played for us; I like him more than Amelia
** if he can start, start him over Zambrotta

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Sep 10 2011, 03:50 PM

[han2503]

Assuming Taiwo can't start this match, Zambrotta is most logical option left for leftback. Nesta was not only very poor against Lazio, but also during pre-season. He simply is not ready for Barça, if he ever will be again. Yepes has proven to be an excellent defender for both Milan and his NT, so at least for now I will trust him more. Hopefully Mexes won't need too long to recover fully.

Aquilani has been excellent yesterday, and Seedorf has been also this year. Both should start, and Van Bommel is the obvious choice in front of our defense: just ask Sneijder. Because we play away vs Barça, I guess Nocerino seems a better choice than Boateng who can be poor and reckless.

I expect Barça making the play and we should be able to have some sort of counter. Robinho and Pato are quick, and Pato is an excellent finisher: our best. Robinho's workrate and energy should be a reason to start him over Cassano, who was key yesterday, but Barça is a different story. And at the same time Cassano is our biggest weapon as a sub. Also now I didn't pick Boateng, Robinho is even more needed to have enough pace in the team. The decision between Pato and Ibrahimovic is tough for me, but Ibrahimovic vs a team like Barça doesn't seem to work, and how are we going to play then anyway?

Pato, Robinho
Aquilani
Seedorf, Van Bommel, Nocerino
Zambrotta, Yepes, Thiago Silva, Abate
Abbiati

Still don't agree about Yepes. He's certainly not cut out for this, and 2 mistakes aside from yesterday Nesta saved a sure fire goal yesterday for us. And was doing better after the 2nd half. And I wouldn't say he had a terrible pre-season. It was average, getting back into shape and all that.

Both Seedorf and Aquilani? I think we need 3 fighters in that midfield who can cover space easily. Boateng imo, has to play. The decision will be between Seedorf and Aqui, allegri will surely choose Seedorf. Also I disagree about Ibra, he'll do well against Mascherano and whoever else plays for them at CB because of his height and we'll most likely find it very difficuilt to go through the midfield so launching balls at him might be our only option here. Also, the though of playing Robinho makes me cringe, simply because I know that he'll get into all the great scoring positions and miss them, I'd rather see us not creating a chance then watch him squander one guilt edged chance after another. It's better for our health that way

[d'Arc.LP]

According to Sportmediaset.It, Pato is fresh and rested, so he is expected to start together with Ibrahimovic against Barcelona. Boateng's shoulder is not a concern, so he can play against Barcelona. Also Seedorf, Zambrotta, Tawio and Robinho trained with the team, and are expected to travel in Spain.


Gazzeta had this great joke as a preview to the Barca game:

"Messi once entered the bedroom of a girl with whom he hoped to score. The girl tells him to get comfortable and she leaves the room to go freshen up. To her amazement, when she returns, she finds him lying on the bed completely nude with two other naked guys and shouts; "WHAT'S GOING ON?"...Smiling Messi calmly replies: "I am sorry dear, but I can't perform without Xavi and Iniesta!"

This post has been edited by d'Arc.LP: Sep 10 2011, 04:07 PM

[Dracoris]

I feel like Nesta has to start, poor start or not, he's a leader. Nesta was caught out so much yesterday because the guy who covers his back started poorly too, which is Silva. I really like the idea of Aquilani behind the strikers but not sure this is the game to experiment.

I'm 50/50 on whether or not he should start over Seedorf.

[acid911]

Which would be a problem. I saw the Lazio match. How narrow we were was something that had to be seen to be believed.

Very much agreed, but I'd rather take my chances playing a defensive, counter attacking game. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Rather than be decimated 5-0 or something. Ask Barcelona to throw their cards first, frustrate them if we can at the start, play a closed game, instead of going all guns blazing and whatnot. Heck, it's the opening game of the CL, if anything!

What worked against Real Madrid in Spain a few years back (3-2, Pirlo and Pato goals) surely will not work. We 100% can't try to out-Barcelona Barcelona, not at their own game. Bur a strong CB pairing of Nesta and Silva, Pato and Ibra upfront, flanks back, and an army of dogs in the midfield (those who can fetch the lost balls), and we just may walk out from the battle and be able to tell the tale. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Counter, counter, counter, with a solid defensive touch.

[han2503]

Very much agreed, but I'd rather take my chances playing a defensive, counter attacking game. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Rather than be decimated 5-0 or something. Ask Barcelona to throw their cards first, frustrate them if we can at the start, play a closed game, instead of going all guns blazing and whatnot. Heck, it's the opening game of the CL, if anything!

What worked against Real Madrid in Spain a few years back (3-2, Pirlo and Pato goals) surely will not work. We 100% can't try to out-Barcelona Barcelona, not at their own game. Bur a strong CB pairing of Nesta and Silva, Pato and Ibra upfront, flanks back, and an army of dogs in the midfield (those who can fetch the lost balls), and we just may walk out from the battle and be able to tell the tale. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Counter, counter, counter, with a solid defensive touch.

No one said we should go all guns blazing or that we should try to attack them. But there are key points that we need to meet if we are going to get something out of this aside from a hammering.

1. Defend well
2. Win the ball as quick as we can (I know it will be hard but 4 mids against their 3 should be able to stife them a bit)
3. Keep posession as much as we can in the few moments we will actually have the ball
4. When we have the ball, use it wisely (Ibra and Pato will be good outlets for us in that respect)

All that being said, the players picked and the system need to be perfect. We can't play with Antonini on the left, Ambro in the midfield, or 2 pure creators (Seedorf and Aqui). We need at least 3 combative players in there and the 4th mid needs to roll up his sleeve and be ready to work his @ss off as well. Also 1 of the strikers needs to drop deep as much as possible to help out. This is where Robinho would be more useful then Pato, but I don't trust Robs to not miss any chances, and my heart cannot take his misses in this game, so Allegri needs to drill it in Pato's head to drop deep and work hard.

The FBs need to stay back, I'm not worried about Zambro, he knows what he has to do, Abate has handled Ronaldo and Eto'o in the past, his pace will give him more freedome and if he somehow manages to break through and put pressure on the Barca LB (whoever that might be then all the better) But he needs to pick his moments wisely, going forward like he usually does will not bode well for us.

[Fillipo Simone]

One additional note. I am convinced Milan could win or at least get a point out of this match if we play an old-fashioned Catenaccio with some modifications. Is Allegri up to it? I'm not sure, I hope so. Because Milan has every single quality such a formation needs. Zambrotta and Abate are ideal for such a lineup, Nesta is a must (Yepes WTF?), Thiago - needless to say - is indispensable, while Bommel will also come handy.

I'd start with Cassano and Ibra, just like the Lazio game; they looked very good together and we need the extra pass which can be provided by Antonio. Pato as a sub.

Also, do not forget that we'll have not only Ibra, but also Bommel and Zambro highly motivated, even more then the others.

The thing is, it occurred to me that Milan, against Lazio, especially in the 1st half, tried to play attractive. I hope this wasn't meant as a warm-up for Barcelona, because I am convinced that Milan cannot win this game with wanting or trying to outplay Barcelona, or play at the same technical level. We can only win points by defending tight and keeping the ball as long as possible away from Iniesta or Xavi.

[han2503]

One additional note. I am convinced Milan could win or at least get a point out of this match if we play an old-fashioned Catenaccio with some modifications. Is Allegri up to it? I'm not sure, I hope so. Because Milan has every single quality such a formation needs. Zambrotta and Abate are ideal for such a lineup, Nesta is a must (Yepes WTF?), Thiago - needless to say - is indispensable, while Bommel will also come handy.

I'd start with Cassano and Ibra, just like the Lazio game; they looked very good together and we need the extra pass which can be provided by Antonio. Pato as a sub.

Also, do not forget that we'll have not only Ibra, but also Bommel and Zambro highly motivated, even more then the others.

The thing is, it occurred to me that Milan, against Lazio, especially in the 1st half, tried to play attractive. I hope this wasn't meant as a warm-up for Barcelona, because I am convinced that Milan cannot win this game with wanting or trying to outplay Barcelona, or play at the same technical level. We can only win points by defending tight and keeping the ball as long as possible away from Iniesta or Xavi.

Agreed, trying to play Barca at their own game would result in a beating. But I don't think Cassano is that much of a good choice, yes he has a better final pass, but he's not going to work as hard as Robinho or Pato.

[Dracoris]

I don't know. If Barca is playing in a 3-4-3 we should think about attacking them pretty hard. 3 defenders can get overwhelmed pretty quickly if played right. Would need Nocerino and Boateng in midfield because we need two guys will to run back and forth the whole game. VB in the middle could anchor everything down. Aquilani as trequartista maybe? Glad I'm not the coach.

[d'Arc.LP]

I'd like to see us playing like this against Barcelona :

Abbiati
Abate - Nesta/Yepes - Silva - Zambrotta
Nocerino - Van Bommel - Boateng
Aquilani
Pato - Ibrahimovic

Robinho , Cassano and Seedorf substituting Aquilani, Pato and Van Bommel

EDIT: Just read that Taiwo is ready for the game, so if it's true, he should start.

(IMG:http://this11.com/boards/abBcPLeake.jpg)

And I agree with Fillipo Simone, Catenaccio system, is the best option we have.

[han2503]

(IMG:http://this11.com/boards/abBcPLeake.jpg)

And I agree with Fillipo Simone, Catenaccio system, is the best option we have.

I think that's the best line-up we can put out (I'm still on the fence as to who should start between Seedorf and Aqui). But sitting back deep too much will get us in trouble. Putting pressure on their midfield is key imo

[Fillipo Simone]

I think Aquilani should start, Seedorf come in as a addition later on. Zambrotta should also be fielded.

I'm not yet sure Nocerino is the right man though. He didn't convince me as much as some said against Lazio, but looking at our roster, there's not much choice. Ambrosini or Nocerino, hmh? Both have evident pluses and minuses.

Nesta Milan's captain. Ideal for the Catenaccio.

[CHU-LIP]

I think both Seedorf and Aquilani should start. Seedorf seems to offer a lot of more, surely vs Barça, than Boateng, to me. Unsure what to do with the attack. I feel like Robinho should start, along one of Ibrahimovic and Pato.

[han2503]

I think Aquilani should start, Seedorf come in as a addition later on. Zambrotta should also be fielded.

I'm not yet sure Nocerino is the right man though. He didn't convince me as much as some said against Lazio, but looking at our roster, there's not much choice. Ambrosini or Nocerino, hmh? Both have evident pluses and minuses.

Nesta Milan's captain. Ideal for the Catenaccio.

Aquilani would give us the advantage one set-pieces and I think his final pass is better then Seedorf. But overall, I think Seedorf's cool head when we have the ball will count for a lot. I don't know, but I feel Allegri will choose Seedorf's experiance.

As for Nocerino, he did mire in 15 minutes then Ambro did all game, and that is not exagerating. What didn't convince you about Nocerino? The fact that he won the ball cleanly a couple of times, showed enthusiasm and actual energy? Ambro and Rino are down and out imo. Neither of them is good enough anymore, especially not for a game of this magnitude against a team who has the best midfield around, bar none.

[han2503]

I think both Seedorf and Aquilani should start. Seedorf seems to offer a lot of more, surely vs Barça, than Boateng, to me. Unsure what to do with the attack. I feel like Robinho should start, along one of Ibrahimovic and Pato.

I'm really surprised that you're the one to say this. You're all about the combative midfield but when we face Barca you want to drop a fighter for Aquilani/Seedorf?

I think playing both would be too risky and would get our midfield overrun. Last season's final should be taken as a lesson. Why did Man U get beaten the way they did? Because of their soft midfield, if you don't pressure Barca then you're going to lose, it's simple. If you make them play without the ball, they don't know how to do that, yes they press a lot, but if we manage to keep posession for any length of time then our team won't be the only one getting dead tired trying to constantly press them.

Playing a high line would just be the death of us because you know Messi will drop back and Iniesta/Pedro/Villa will get in behind. While on the other hand, if we drop too deep and try to defend for our live like Inter did, it would still most likely result in a Barca goal.

I don't know, it's Allegri's headache at the end of the day, him and the team need to find the perfect solution and need to play the perfect game, and I don't think we're ready yet

[CHU-LIP]

I'm really surprised that you're the one to say this. You're all about the combative midfield but when we face Barca you want to drop a fighter for Aquilani/Seedorf?

Seedorf is also a fighter, surely/especially/at least in a CL match vs Barça. In my opinion he is defensive quite strong (stronger than Boateng), and not as reckless as Boateng. We need players who won't lose their head in a game like this. And the past has shown that Seedorf and Van Bommel are our key midfielders in a game like this (Van Bommel vs Inter/Sneijder, not in CL yet obviously). With Nocerino and Van Bommel we already have two DMs, and Seedorf who can defend, same goes for Aquilani as AM, making our midfield strong (defensevily and passing wise). Seedorf, Aquilani and Van Bommel all are good passers which is important. You can't lose possession often vs Barça.

I think playing both would be too risky and would get our midfield overrun. Last season's final should be taken as a lesson. Why did Man U get beaten the way they did? Because of their soft midfield, if you don't pressure Barca then you're going to lose, it's simple. If you make them play without the ball, they don't know how to do that, yes they press a lot, but if we manage to keep posession for any length of time then our team won't be the only one getting dead tired trying to constantly press them.

The main downside now is indeed missing pace. That's why I normally would play Boateng over Nocerino then, but against Barça you may go for the extra defensive skill. This gives only more reason to start Robinho in attack. Not only because of his pace, but also because his immense workrate and energy, making us even stronger: defending like a team can be done which has to be done vs Barça. That leaves either Zlatan or Pato as other forward, but that's a very tough choice in my opinion.

Reading the game well, anticipation and so, beats pace though. Players like Van Bommel and Seedorf know what to do. And having Aquilani is also nice because he played very well, and indeed his set pieces is also a plus.

edit: and about ManU's CL final: yeah, only Park did something, but we would have Van Bommel and Seedorf who will do something for sure, and Nocerino will also, and Aquilani+Robinho can do too.

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Sep 11 2011, 01:21 PM

[han2503]

Seedorf is also a fighter, surely/especially/at least in a CL match vs Barça. In my opinion he is defensive quite strong (stronger than Boateng), and not as reckless as Boateng. We need players who won't lose their head in a game like this. And the past has shown that Seedorf and Van Bommel are our key midfielders in a game like this (Van Bommel vs Inter/Sneijder, not in CL yet obviously). With Nocerino and Van Bommel we already have two DMs, and Seedorf who can defend, same goes for Aquilani as AM, making our midfield strong (defensevily and passing wise). Seedorf, Aquilani and Van Bommel all are good passers which is important. You can't lose possession often vs Barça.


The main downside now is indeed missing pace. That's why I normally would play Boateng over Nocerino then, but against Barça you may go for the extra defensive skill. This gives only more reason to start Robinho in attack. Not only because of his pace, but also because his immense workrate and energy, making us even stronger: defending like a team can be done which has to be done vs Barça. That leaves either Zlatan or Pato as other forward, but that's a very tough choice in my opinion.

Reading the game well, anticipation and so, beats pace though. Players like Van Bommel and Seedorf know what to do. And having Aquilani is also nice because he played very well, and indeed his set pieces is also a plus.

edit: and about ManU's CL final: yeah, only Park did something, but we would have Van Bommel and Seedorf who will do something for sure, and Nocerino will also, and Aquilani+Robinho can do too.

I think Seedorf has the better footballing brain to cover spaces, he's not very good defensively but he's a smart player who knows how to cover his areas like Aquilani or Boateng wouldn't. But purely as a defensive player, Boateng is better, simply because he has the energy to hassle the opponent. Another key factor is the energy in midfield, which is why Boateng, Nocerino and Robinho would come in handy, the only thing that scares me about Robinho is him missing sitters...

think we need 2 fighters (Nocerino + Boateng), an anchor (VB), someone who will know what to do with the ball when we have it (Seedorf/Aqui) and one of the strikers dropping deep to help the midfield (Robinho would do this the best out of all of them, but I don't trust him in front of goal)

Seedorf is not going to run and press for 90 minutes, you can forget about that. That's why we can't rely on him for that kind of work, and why I think he should play behind the strikers.

Essentially we need to play a xmas tree set up like we did under Carlo

Boateng--VB--Nocerino
Seedorf--Robs/Pato
Ibra

[CHU-LIP]

Pato as Robinho's alternative to drop back? Pato?? Nah, then Zlatan should be the one dropping back. Pato is the best finisher and the weakest in dropping back. Ideally both Zlatan and Robinho drop back if both play. Else Robinho drops back, and we have a great finisher in Pato who makes great runs and has excellent pace, but eh I guess Zlatan will play.

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Sep 11 2011, 02:17 PM

[han2503]

Pato as Robinho's alternative to drop back? Pato?? Nah, then Zlatan should be the one dropping back. Pato is the best finisher and the weakest in dropping back. Ideally both Zlatan and Robinho drop back if both play. Else Robinho drops back, and we have a great finisher in Pato who makes great runs and has excellent pace, but eh I guess Zlatan will play.

We'll most likely use Zlatan's height and launch balls at him. Pato has done it in the past, did you forget his big games against Napoli and Inter last season? He worked his @ss off

[CHU-LIP]

We'll most likely use Zlatan's height and launch balls at him. Pato has done it in the past, did you forget his big games against Napoli and Inter last season? He worked his @ss off

But many games not, or at least Zlatan is better in that than him, and at the same time Pato is the better goalscorer.

[Guest_Suhail 3_*]

Well its a 90 minute game(plus any injury time) and its 11 vs 11, thats for certain (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif) . We have the quality to win at nou camp, but in all honesty i dont think allegri can drill the squad in the right manner just 2 games into the season. I'd take a draw, but play down the importance of this tie purely cause its this early, hope we dont get mauled and i hope im wrong about allegri's incapability to get the right team out there early on, he is a smart coach afterall

This post has been edited by Suhail 3: Sep 11 2011, 05:17 PM

[drucurl]

I think we should go all out suicide attack vs Barca and defend like maniacs when on the back foot

--------------Abbiati------------
-Abate- NESTA---Silva--bleh
------------MVB------------
----Aqua------------Dorf--
-----------iBra----------
Pato-------------------Cassano



Under normal circumstances and at a glance this is a rather idiotic/suicidal formation. also Allegri doesn't have the balls for it. But a surprise all out attack can catch them and get that crucial first goal. After that we can take off as much as three attackers and bring in more defensive minded players. Long shot I conceed.

No Taiwo and Robinho right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

This post has been edited by drucurl: Sep 11 2011, 06:56 PM

[Rossoneri7]

Carlo isn't tied by any contract right ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/96.gif)

[d'Arc.LP]

Carlo isn't tied by any contract right ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/96.gif)

Yup , he's free (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Jack Sparrow]

Can we bring him on just for the CL matches? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Allegri and Tassoti can be assistant coaches on CL nights... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

Can we bring him on just for the CL matches? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Allegri and Tassoti can be assistant coaches on CL nights... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Whats the point, we dont have Inzaghi (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)

[Zed.D]

Barca 3-1 Milan.

Best case scenario. no kidding.

[Jack Sparrow]

2-0 imo.

[Zed.D]

Really? their defense isn't that great, unless our strikers officially choke, we may score one goal...

[han2503]

Really? their defense isn't that great, unless our strikers officially choke, we may score one goal...

The problem is getting the ball and actually keeping it long enough to score.

[Jack Sparrow]

It's not our strikers...it's our midfield....that I think might choke. The only player who can pull something out of nothing in this team is Ibra...and he is not turned on for CL.

Well I guess there is Cassano...

[d'Arc.LP]

2-0 imo.

2-2 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[han2503]

It's not our strikers...it's our midfield....that I think might choke. The only player who can pull something out of nothing in this team is Ibra...and he is not turned on for CL.

Well I guess there is Cassano...

Ibra mostly chokes in the KOs

Also, I don't think the midfield will choke, but if they're not set up right then we'll suffer. Playing Ambrosini will be a big mistake, and I'm pretty sure that is what Allegri will do. Thankfully, Rino is out, that is one less thing to worry about.

I really feel that this is the game where someone like Nocerino could really step up and take his place, but I don't think Allegri will give him that chance and once again rely on a decimated player from the old gaurd for whatever reason that is justified in his own head

[d'Arc.LP]

Boateng to Gazzetta dello Sport: We are ready to defend and play on counter-attacks (Catenaccio system) on Nou Camp.

[CrazyMilanFan]

Boateng to Gazzetta dello Sport: We are ready to defend and play on counter-attacks (Catenaccio system) on Nou Camp.

why announce before the game (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

[d'Arc.LP]

why announce before the game (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I don't know, but it was in Italian, so if anyone want's to translate it, here you have it :

Milan: a Barcellona catenaccio o no?

Meno 48 ore alla sfida più entusiasmante degli ultimi anni di Milan. I rossoneri faranno visita al Barcellona di Messi, la squadra più forte del mondo. Una gara quasi proibitiva, sulla carta, ma che Boateng e compagni vogliono giocarsi fino in fondo. Proprio le parole del Boa, affidate alla Gazzetta dello Sport di oggi, aprono un primo interrogativo. Il ghanese ritiene fondamentale la difesa per espugnare il Camp Nou e si dice più pronto a difendere che ad attaccare martedì sera.

Ma il Milan può andare a Barcellona a fare catenaccio? Da una parte c'è da dire che la squadra di Guardiola è più portata a soffrire chi si chiude piuttosto a chi se la gioca alla pari. L'impresa dell'Inter di Mourinho nel 2010 insegna. E le caratteristiche della banda di Allegri sembrano più simili a quell'Inter piuttosto che al Milan di Sacchi, tanto per prendere una squadra che avrebbe potuto giocarsela alla pari con questo Barça. Insomma, tanta difesa e tanta attenzione, un po' di fortuna e magari si può uscire indenni dal Camp Nou.

Dall'altra parte c'è però la tradizione del Milan berlusconiano. Mai portato a coprirsi e sempre votato al gioco d'attacco. E c'è da dire che il Barça avrà un'assenza importante in difesa (Pique) che Ibra e compagni potranno sfruttare se decideranno di far male agli avversari.

Allegri dovrà preparare al meglio la partita, decidendo per prima cosa l'atteggiamento tattico della squadra. Scoprirsi potrebbe portare pure a un'imbarcata, cosa a cui i ragazzi di Guardiola hanno abituato gli avversari in Spagna e in Europa, ma fare catenaccio sarebbe andare contro la storia del Milan e del suo presidente. E soprattutto ammettere sin dall'inizio la superiorità blaugrana.

cm.com

Milan coach Allegri: "Cassano had a great game against Lazio, but tomorrow [against Barcelona] Pato is favourite to start alongside Ibra."

This post has been edited by d'Arc.LP: Sep 12 2011, 10:47 AM

[Fillipo Simone]

I think we can manage to get a draw. People are too much frightened and impressed by Barcelona. Sure, we have our weaknesses, but we ain't that easy to pass over also.

[han2503]

I think we can manage to get a draw. People are too much frightened and impressed by Barcelona. Sure, we have our weaknesses, but we ain't that easy to pass over also.

I think people are justified in thinking that. They swept aside Real and Man U.It's not some myth in people's heads.

[Fillipo Simone]

I know, but this was last season. And it was in the KO stages; that makes this match a whole lot of more easy for us.

[han2503]

I know, but this was last season. And it was in the KO stages; that makes this match a whole lot of more easy for us.

Well it's not like they're going to take this lightly because it's a group game. Yes they have a sh!t defence, but their midfield and forward line is so good that they make up for that simply by not allowing the opposition to get anywhere near their defence.

To stop them you have to disrupt them by pressing them and trying to keep possesion as long as you can while you have it. The problem with that is that no team can press them for 90 minutes on a consistant basis, it's just impossible. So they hit you when the tiredness creeps in.

[Fillipo Simone]

I'm just saying, it appears that Barcelona is invincible - and I don't believe it. Not everything is logical or rational, I've seen too many matches in which the clearly superior team lost.

[han2503]

I'm just saying, it appears that Barcelona is invincible - and I don't believe it. Not everything is logical or rational, I've seen too many matches in which the clearly superior team lost.

No one is unbeatable, I agree. But this Barca imo is very close to it, sure they might slip up here and there against certain opposition where they seemingly expect to win like the Saturday game for example, but if they turn it on, then become very close to unbeatable.

[drucurl]

Don't know if I'll get to be online tomorrow with my crazy schedule at work but I wanna wish all my Milanista brothers and sisters all the best for the game tomorrow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

[han2503]

Called up players

PORTIERI - Abbiati, Amelia, Roma.
DIFENSORI - Abate, Antonini, Bonera, Nesta, Taiwo, Thiago Silva, Zambrotta, Yepes.
CENTROCAMPISTI - Ambrosini, Aquilani, Boateng, Emanuelson, Nocerino, Seedorf, Van Bommel.
ATTACCANTI - Cassano, Ibrahimovic, Pato.

[CrazyMilanFan]

oh good to see taiwo and zambrotta back.... what is wrong with robinho??

[Fillipo Simone]

Three strikers available. Haha, what a joke Allegri!

[Jack Sparrow]

He'd pulled up in training. I think.

The point is we're not a team that's all that great in possession...thanks to the mid-fielders we setup.
We don't have enough pure individual quality except for Ibra.
We can't play catenaccio, since we don't have pure defensive players with max tactical awareness.

All comes down to our mid-field...we're neither a creative mid-field not a purely defensive one.


My guess...

Allegri choses to play defensive and a hard pressing game in our half. He will look to launch attacks on the counter using Pato's pace and Zlatan's strength in the air. He will mostly be happy to leave Camp Nou with a point.

[d'Arc.LP]

MILAN - Below is the list of 21 players called up by Massimiliano
GK's - Abbiati, Amelia, Roma.
Defenders - Abate, Antonini, Bonera, Nesta, Taiwo, Thiago Silva, Zambrotta, Yepes.
Midfielders - Ambrosini, Aquilani, Boateng, Emanuelson, Nocerino, Seedorf, Van Bommel.
Forwards - Cassano, Ibrahimovic, Pato.


Massimiliano Allegri held a press conference at Milanello before the last training session ahead of the match against Barcelona in the Champions League.

MILANELLO - This is what Massimiliano Allegri said during the press conference: "The team has trained very well after the Lazio game, we are ready to play this game, it is the first game of the Champions League and we want to start well. We will have to be careful in defence and do well up front. At the moment they are the team that plays the best football, they have so much quality both individually but also as a team, but we also have some great players, we are a very good side, we are Milan so we have to play with courage. You never know what can happen in football. I will change some players who played against Lazio, I will decide after this morning's training session. We must concentrate throughout the entire match, we have to respect Barcelona. We have to try and play a good game then we'll see what happens. It is the second time that I go to Barcelona after the Gamper Trophy but I am calm about tomorrow night, it isn't a final, just the first match of the group stages. We are playing against a side that has won so much but our aim is to get through the group stages.

"We have to play a different game to the first 20 minutes against Lazio, we were too spread out and we cannot afford to play like that for 20 minutes against Barcelona. Then we did well to come back against Lazio and we almost won the game...
The game against Barcelona will highlight the kind of shape we are in at the moment. Compared to last season we have played less friendlies, and that is how I wanted it. We don't have to be scared tomorrow and we can't play like the first 20 minutes against Lazio. We have to be well balanced knowing that we have a tough task on our hands. Ibra will play up front then I still haven't decided between Pato and Cassano even if Pato is the favourite. Then I also have a doubt about Nocerino or Ambrosini. We are doing checks on Robinho but I don't think he will come to Barcelona.
The first matches of Serie A? Palermo-Inter was a great game, Palermo did really well but Inter also showed what they can do despite the defeat. Pirlo? Everyone knows that Andrea is quality and I am happy that he played a great game, it isn't as of he has forgotten to play football just because he has left Milan.

"Ibra showed that he is world class at Barcelona and he is still showing it now. We have to have respect for Barcelona but not be scared of them. We have to try and make our quality count on the pitch. Cassano? He played a great game against Lazio and he will do very well this year and in the last 20 days he has reached a good level of fitness. Tomorrow I will have to choose between Pato and Cassano but I think this type of game suits Pato more. Pato's average goal tally for Milan is very high, my choices will not be based on how many goals they have scored in the Champions League. Pato is 22, he can improve a lot and if he plays tomorrow then I am sure he will do very well. Barcelona always play in the same way, they are technically very gifted and the almost always dominate their matches with possession but they can have moments when they lose their concentration."

BIG BAD NEWS : Ibrahimovic got injured during the training and will not travel for Spain. He is going to miss the game against Barcelona and is in doubt for Napoli !


Even Emanuelson tweeted about this on his official account :

Urby28
Yeah.. Onfortunately Ibra is out.. RT @P_Niko_: @Urby28 It's true that Ibra did not start with you???
"

Arrrrrr :@

This post has been edited by d'Arc.LP: Sep 12 2011, 02:22 PM

[Dracoris]

Could be a blessing in disguise.

[acid911]

Well, well, things get interesting. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Very interesting! Ibra out could go either way. We may very well stop playing the lobbing game if we don't have a target-man upfront, and that can be a good thing. But really, taking two strikers against Barcelona is as funny as it gets. Tough luck, anyway you look at it.

[arivanjj]

thank god. now we have a sort of an excuse to ease the blame on when we get thrashed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Fillipo Simone]

Ohhh, no problem, we've still got Pippo available for Barcelona. Oh wait.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Karma showed Allegri the middle finger.

[X-Offender]

Ohhh, no problem, we've still got Pippo available for Barcelona. Oh wait.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Karma showed Allegri the middle finger.

Pippo is still injured so he wouldn't have played ether way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Zed.D]

Ohhh, no problem, we've still got Pippo available for Barcelona. Oh wait.... (IMG:http://www.milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://www.milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Karma showed Allegri the middle finger.

Pippo is still injured so he wouldn't have played ether way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Sorry Fillipo but this made me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) so hard!

[han2503]

At least there is a doubt in his decision regarding Nocerino or Ambro. I thought he would be certain in his decision on Ambro.

It looks like it's going to be

Abate--Nesta--Thiago--Zambro/Taiwo
Noce/Ambro--VB--See/Aqui
Boateng
Pato--Cassano

Ibra will be a huge loss, him being out takes one possible solution that we'll have when in attack. Pato and Cassano will need to work their @sses of that's for sure and one of them will need to drop back into midfield when we're defending as well.

Taiwo might get the nod, but I think I prefer Zambro to play this one, just stay back and think about his own flank. Taiwo will look to go forward, and the will get us caught out.

Hopefully Nocerino is the one picked, and I think Seedorf would be the better option here. I don't believe Allegri will deviate from his 4-3-1-2 but I think he should really consider a xmas tree formation with 5 mids. At least that way we'd still have an option coming off the bench since we only have 2 strikers

[Rossoneri7]

I remember the 1994 final, Barca that f@cker Cruyff was boasting his dream team was going to demolish Milan yadda yadda yadda ... Add to that we had HUGE problems at the back w/o Costacurta & Baresi .. The outcome was unbelievable.

Till the next day, I couldn't believe we won .. We beat the dream team at the time. Oh but back then we had Capello, now we have someone who drops one of Europe's most strikers because he knows best (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[han2503]

I remember the 1994 final, Barca that f@cker Cruyff was boasting his dream team was going to demolish Milan yadda yadda yadda ... Add to that we had HUGE problems at the back w/o Costacurta & Baresi .. The outcome was unbelievable.

Till the next day, I couldn't believe we won .. We beat the dream team at the time. Oh but back then we had Capello, now we have someone who drops one of Europe's most strikers because he knows best (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

These are the nights where I miss Carletto... And that happens rarely, but I simply have no faith in Max when it comes to games like this one

[Rossoneri7]

These are the nights where I miss Carletto... And that happens rarely, but I simply have no faith in Max when it comes to games like this one

Carlo doesn't miss you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[han2503]

Carlo doesn't miss you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Carlo is unemployed atm (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[acid911]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Nice!

[CHU-LIP]

Pato+Cassano is an excellent attack to play with against Barça. Only Pato+Robinho I would have preferred over this one, but oh well, **** happens. I don't see Zlatan's style of play doing any good against Barça. Zlatan is a blessing against Serie A sides, but I am happy to see Pato as the striker now supported by a supporting striker. Pato's pacey runs, deadly finishing, etc. are what we need vs Barça. The few chances we will get, it better goes to an excellent goalscorer with awesome speed. And we will have a nice amound of players with good passing on the field which will benefit Pato.

[CrazyMilanFan]

Can we play pato-cassano when only these 2 stikers are available...

[CHU-LIP]

Can we play pato-cassano when only these 2 stikers are available...

Yes

[han2503]

Can we play pato-cassano when only these 2 stikers are available...

Sure we can, but we'll be left with no option on the bench

[CHU-LIP]

Sure we can, but we'll be left with no option on the bench

Prince (though likely to start also) can cover attack (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) it worked vs Juve!

[han2503]

Prince (though likely to start also) can cover attack (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) it worked vs Juve!

A terrible Juve vs. Barca?

Sure it's exactly the same thing...

I'd rather we play a 5-man midfield and leave Cassano as an option on the bench

[drucurl]

This just in....iBra heard Galliani's CL-themed music and pulled up with severe muscle spasms. More to follow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[X-Offender]

Probable line-up, according to Sportmeidaset:

Abbiati; Abate, Nesta, T. Silva, Zambrotta; Nocerino, Van Bommel, Seedorf; Emanuelson, Boateng; Pato

Emanuelson instead of Cassano, WTF??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

[han2503]

Probable line-up, according to Sportmeidaset:

Abbiati; Abate, Nesta, T. Silva, Zambrotta; Nocerino, Van Bommel, Seedorf; Emanuelson, Boateng; Pato

Emanuelson instead of Cassano, WTF??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

My only change would be Aquilani instead of Urby.

I agree about dropping one of the strikers since they're the only 2 available. Aside from that, I think it's the best line-up that can be put out

[CHU-LIP]

Probable line-up, according to Sportmeidaset:

Abbiati; Abate, Nesta, T. Silva, Zambrotta; Nocerino, Van Bommel, Seedorf; Emanuelson, Boateng; Pato

Emanuelson instead of Cassano, WTF??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

wow, an interesting twist... such a speedy attack... all three... very interesting to do so vs Barça... Allegri could be on to something... he may be a genius or he may be not... I like his way of thinking...

[X-Offender]

No man, Cassano needs to play at all cost! His quality could seriously hurt Barça. It doesn't matter how many strikers we have left on the bench. I'd also play Aquilani instead of Seedorf. Personally, I thought Aquaman did great against Lazio. I seriously doubt Seedorf can keep up with Barça's speed of play. Maybe if he comes as a sub in the second half, when most players will be tired...

[han2503]

wow, an interesting twist... such a speedy attack... all three... very interesting to do so vs Barça... Allegri could be on to something... he may be a genius or he may be not... I like his way of thinking...

Urby is a very one dimensional player, sure he's quick but I don't see him using the ball wisely.

No man, Cassano needs to play at all cost! His quality could seriously hurt Barça. It doesn't matter how many strikers we have left on the bench. I'd also play Aquilani instead of Seedorf. Personally, I thought Aquaman did great against Lazio. I seriously doubt Seedorf can keep up with Barça's speed of play. Maybe if he comes as a sub in the second half, when most players will be tired...

I don't know, I'd rather have him as an option coming off the bench and pack the midfield tightly.

Seedorf's experiance and tactical awareness will be key for us while Aquilani's final ball and set-pieces might give us an unexpected advantage. That's why I think we need both in there. I'd sacrifice Cassano and rely on Pato's speed and finishing to have both Aqui and Seedorf in there.

Also note that Seedorf is fresh and ready, this is when he usually plays his best. I'm happy with Ambro being dropped, but we need Seedorf's cool head in there as well. He's still a leader on the pitch for us, more then Ambro imo.

[CHU-LIP]

Urby is a very one dimensional player, sure he's quick but I don't see him using the ball wisely.

I feel you. I know Furby very well. He can do very nice things, but he's inconsistent. It can go either way.

[X-Offender]

OK, maybe Aquilani-Seedorf-Pato would be nice, but please no Emanuelson!

[han2503]

I feel you. I know Furby very well. He can do very nice things, but he's inconsistent. It can go either way.

That's why I said Aquilani instead of him and it would be a great line-up

OK, maybe Aquilani-Seedorf-Pato would be nice, but please no Emanuelson!

Abate--Nesta--Thiago--Zambro
Nocerino--VB--Seedorf
Boateng--Aquilani
Pato

Perfect line-up for this kind of game imo. Stifle them in midfield, while still providing the best support we can for Pato when on the ball. Also, we have 3 players who can distribute the ball properly so we won't lose it as soon as we win it back

[CHU-LIP]

I also want both Seedorf and Aquilani. Both playing well for Milan (Aquilani vs Lazio, Seedorf this year and in CL he is the man), both good passers (important vs Barça, and with Pato as your striker), both actually can defend well also.

Hm, interesting line-up, han. I like it.

OK, maybe Aquilani-Seedorf-Pato would be nice, but please no Emanuelson!

But Seedorf to play deeper, right? And then Boateng bit more forward: good to have at least two attacking players with pace, and them linking up with each other and Aquilani, aint bad. Aquilani and Seedorf behind Pato is too slow.

[Fillipo Simone]

Pippo is still injured so he wouldn't have played ether way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


Sorry Fillipo but this made me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) so hard!

What exactly? Isn't Pippo supposed to be recovered by now?


Anyway, I'm with X-O here, sorry, I'd also pick Cassano to start. He needs to be a starter in such matches, he can make the extra pass. I don't see that happen with Emanuelson and Boateng, so I expect Pato to be allover the place searching for the ball.

[han2503]

What exactly? Isn't Pippo supposed to be recovered by now?


Anyway, I'm with X-O here, sorry, I'd also pick Cassano to start. He needs to be a starter in such matches, he can make the extra pass. I don't see that happen with Emanuelson and Boateng, so I expect Pato to be allover the place searching for the ball.

Aquilani can do that as well, same goes for Seedorf, and imo, with just Pato up there, we need to sacrifice a striker for a stronger and more compact midfield. Also by using both, we have nothing on the bench, no extra card for Allegri to play.

I agree that Urby shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 11, he's not a smart player, we need someone who will utilise the ball properly when we have it, that's why using both Seedorf and Aquilani makes more sense then Cassano

[acid911]

What exactly? Isn't Pippo supposed to be recovered by now?

Nope. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'm sure it was mentioned in another thread that Inzaghi got injured just days after he recovered from his earlier injury. Out for another few weeks. Anyway, we can't hold this one up to Allegri, without knowing the full facts. Maybe he got the full report from the doctors at Milan?! It's not easy to recover from grave injuries when you are touching 40.

So even if he had included him in the squad for the CL, it's not like Inzaghi would have been ready and available.

[Jack Bauer]

Three strikers available. Haha, what a joke Allegri!

"Even if I had included Pippo in the CL-list, it wouldn't have changed anything because currently he's not ready to play."

Advantage Allegri (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by Jack Bauer: Sep 12 2011, 09:29 PM

[X-Offender]

Piqué is injured, and Puyol should start from the bench. Hopefully we'll be able to take advantage of their defensive faults. The fact that Ibra won't play also means no long balls, which is always a good thing.

[Fillipo Simone]

Does it mean no long balls? I'm not sure it does, it started to develop as a habit or a system; I hope it isn't on the automatized level.

[Dracoris]

Han, I like that formation and I could see it being successful. I think thats what I would play if I was Allegri.

[d'Arc.LP]

Probable line-up vs Barcelona (4-3-2-1): Abbiati; Abate-Nesta-T. Silva-Zambrotta; Nocerino-Van Bommel-Seedorf; Boateng-Emanuelson; Pato.

Gazzeta dello Sport.

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This post has been edited by d'Arc.LP: Sep 13 2011, 08:52 AM

[CrazyMilanFan]

not a bad formation for UCL infact quite similar to what we sued to play under carlo