[aLbErTo]

French attacking midfielder Yoann Gourcuff (pictured) could be on the way from AC Milan to Arsenal, according to sources in the English media.

It is thought that the 21 year old would command a fee of around 20 million euros, with boss Arsene Wenger said to still be interested on his services after missing out on them in 2006.

For those who like "next" comparisons, Gourcuff has been lauded by the French media as the "next Zidane".

But for those more interested in tangible achievements, Gourcuff has not had the easiest time at the San Siro, playing just 10 Serie A games in his debut season.

Prior to 2006/07, though, he was one of Ligue 1's top performers as he took on the attacking midfield role with Stade Rennais.

Such brilliant form for the Rennes outfit saw Milan swoop for him on a contract that will keep him under contract until 2011.

He started excellently with the rossoneri, playing extremely well against the likes of AEK Athens, but since then has tailed off slightly.

Whether that means that the door is now open for Arsenal to move for him - or even if they want to - remains to be seen.

Goal.com

hm...

[dst]

&$&%*%^*&%TLGUUYPO ^CO&$CPO*$X&$#PO&*%

This post has been edited by dst: Dec 11 2007, 01:48 PM

[dst]

He can be a great player... under Wenger. He's being ruined at Milan.

[aLbErTo]

true...but i woudnt be happy then (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) maybe a year or two-year loan option...

[kdman]

I would be happy for him if he goes. He's wasting here. He would thrive at Arsenal. Ancelotti is not the ideal coach to nurture a youngster.

[Locke Lamora]

But then we'd have to replace another one of our midfielders, and they are all doing pretty good at the moment...

[Zed.D]

Ancelotti is not the ideal coach to nurture a youngster.

Kaka.

[javierk128]

and remember we have pato too, we can´t say that, i´m sure gourcuff will stay in san siro and he will demostrate the kind of player he can be (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[dst]

But then we'd have to replace another one of our midfielders, and they are all doing pretty good at the moment...

Hleb and Fabregas are untouchable but I think in the long run he can replace Rosicky. That guy is not a winner, he's just a good player.

[Tennie]

How about we trade Gourcuff for that Spanish kid who plays in the Arsenal midfield? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

(*runs and hides from Locke*)

[LaPalma]

20 Million? I would bring him there with a wheel barrow...

[whoarethepatriot...]

FU Arsenal!

Ol blue eyes stays here, but please Ancelotti, can you start playing him. He looked quite good and motivated vs Celtic

[I_Rossoneri]

Ancelotti is not the ideal coach to nurture a youngster.

You mean the great carlo??????????????? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Yoann ought to hold on for a little longer as carlo won't be at Milan forever (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[misha]

Like I said before, we should loan him to another Italian team (there he would be a starter, will adjust to Italian game , mature and can gain more confidence) then give him another try. Seedorf is not getting any younger and if there a chance Yoann can become something big, would be a shame to sell him now.

[Locke Lamora]

Hleb and Fabregas are untouchable but I think in the long run he can replace Rosicky. That guy is not a winner, he's just a good player.

Sorry for sounding like an ***, but is Gourcuff more a winner than Rosicky?
Then we'd have to try something like this...

--------------------Almunia--------------------
Sagna--------Toure-------Gallas-------Clichy
---------------------Fabregas------------------
Rosicky------------Gourcuff--------------Hleb
----------------------Adebayor----------------


...wich obviously won't work.

[dst]

Like I said before, we should loan him to another Italian team (there he would be a starter, will adjust to Italian game , mature and can gain more confidence) then give him another try. Seedorf is not getting any younger and if there a chance Yoann can become something big, would be a shame to sell him now.

Loans and big players don't go along... Yoann will either be given a chance in Milan and develop into something big OR will spend a career on loans hoping for something better... at least that's how I see it.

Sorry for sounding like an ***, but is Gourcuff more a winner than Rosicky?
Then we'd have to try something like this...

You don't sound like an ***. But no I didn't say Gourcuff is a winner. I said Rosicky is not a winner and that's why Yoann can replace him and not Hleb, Fabregas. Plus you bet on the added bonus that Yoann might become a winner! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

...wich obviously won't work.

Of course not. Rosicky out, van Persie on!

[misha]

Loans and big players don't go along... Yoann will either be given a chance in Milan and develop into something big OR will spend a career on loans hoping for something better... at least that's how I see it.

I don't see why not. Give him the opportunity in a team that he can develop in, and then decide if he's worth another chance at Milan. Many great players were loaned at young age. Before selling, we need to be sure that we are not missing out on somebody that can be great.

[dst]

Many great players were loaned at young age.

I can't remember any, that's why I said these two things don't go together. Can you name anyone?

[Tennie]

Boban.

[dst]

Boban.

Boban was loaned right after Milan bought him. He was not loaned out because he was not good enough... he just wasn't ready. Players that fail to make it into a team's first XI never manage to do so after a loan... at least 99% of the times. Yoann will either makes it in Milan now or he will never do so... I don't want to be dogmatic but this is what I've learned from similar situations.

[vnata001]

...i know this is a contreversial thing to say in light of the coaching speculation, but this is all Ancelotti's fault, and I will be pretty upset if Gourcuff transfers. It will be Ancelotti's fault. if we tallied up all the minutes he has played its probably less than 10 matches worth. Yet, he has still impressed in the little time he has been given..we can't judge him on the little 10 minute appearances he makes! Carlo hasnt given him a chance to crack the line up, and i dont think thats fair. Sometimes, especially in league, he could have had way more impact in games than Ambrosini did. If he had been playing in matches from the start, and given maybe 3 or 4 full matches with the starting eleven, i have no doubt he would be wowing us and pushing seedorf. You can see he has delicate touch, creative passing, and a powerful shot...but when hes in the matches late in the game, what's the point? He's usually put in when the match is out of question, and the team isnt trying to attack..and at that point why put him in? just to play keep away? or he's in when its a 0-0 draw, pressure is on, and hes not allowed to settle into the flow. If he leaves, i'm going to be dissapointed because on the French under-21 team he outshone nasri, and now he apparently can't get playing time over Brocchi.

to make it worse, if Arsene Wegner wants him..there's a better chance of him leaving than staying. Wenger is a great cultivator of talent, is French, and usually gets the players he wants. I think if this rumors are true, Yoann may see this as a better opportunity to play at a high level..and if Carletto's in charge hes prlly right.

[Rossoneri7]

Gourcuff came to Milan, with Carlo's blessing! No player is forced into the team without Carlo's consent.

Now if Gourcuff can stand up to the challenge and fight for a place in the first XI, then so be it. If not, then Milan should move on, as this is a club that wins titles not develops youth players.

With that said, Gourcuff had proven in Liga 1 that he is an exceptional player, and I am of the opinion that he is exactly that (as he reminds me of Zidane, A LOT!!) ... Still, the pressure of playing for a club as BIG as Milan is something beyond us all. All we see is a round ball and a coach that refuses to play Gourcuff. When in reality, Gourcuff might not be mentally ready to take a first team spot just yet.

IMO, I doubt Gourcuff would leave Milan. I think Milan would sell Gourcuff before him deciding otherwise. After all, he knew his chances of making first team were slim when he first got here (he refused Arsenal and Madrid amongst many others who came forward for him, and he chose Milan) .. I think he'll gradually move into Seedorf's place in the left midfield slot. Maybe he'll play 6 - 10 more games this season .. Then next season a bit more. It's still early to speculate, but he is improving. Seeing as how he took the pitch against Celtic the other day, he should a lot of improvement in the tactical set up.

20 Million? I would bring him there with a wheel barrow...

U need help ? I could hold him down for u (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[kdman]

Kaka.

One. A rare gem, whose qualities can never be supressed even by the "blindest" of coaches.

Name another? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[kdman]

Kaka.

One. A rare gem, whose qualities can never be supressed even by the "blindest" of coaches.

Name another? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[kdman]

Gourcuff came to Milan, with Carlo's blessing! No player is forced into the team without Carlo's consent.

You sure pal? You mean he's the one that gave us Favalli, Emerson, Vieri, Oliviera, and crowns it all with Ibrahim Ba (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Great.

[Rossoneri7]

You sure pal? You mean he's the one that gave us Favalli, Emerson, Vieri, Oliviera, and crowns it all with Ibrahim Ba (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)   Great.

No, that's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is, all the players that Carlo has/had came to Milan because Carlo also agreed to have them.

p.s. Emerson was on top of Carlo's shopping list btw (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[dst]

...i know this is a contreversial thing to say in light of the coaching speculation, but this is all Ancelotti's fault, and I will be pretty upset if Gourcuff transfers. It will be Ancelotti's fault. if we tallied up all the minutes he has played its probably less than 10 matches worth. Yet, he has still impressed in the little time he has been given..we can't judge him on the little 10 minute appearances he makes! Carlo hasnt given him a chance to crack the line up, and i dont think thats fair. Sometimes, especially in league, he could have had way more impact in games than Ambrosini did. If he had been playing in matches from the start, and given maybe 3 or 4 full matches with the starting eleven, i have no doubt he would be wowing us and pushing seedorf. You can see he has delicate touch, creative passing, and a powerful shot...but when hes in the matches late in the game, what's the point? He's usually put in when the match is out of question, and the team isnt trying to attack..and at that point why put him in? just to play keep away? or he's in when its a 0-0 draw, pressure is on, and hes not allowed to settle into the flow. If he leaves, i'm going to be dissapointed because on the French under-21 team he outshone nasri, and now he apparently can't get playing time over Brocchi.

to make it worse, if Arsene Wegner wants him..there's a better chance of him leaving than staying. Wenger is a great cultivator of talent, is French, and usually gets the players he wants. I think if this rumors are true, Yoann may see this as a better opportunity to play at a high level..and if Carletto's in charge hes prlly right.

I agree. It's as simple as this; Gourcuff is much better than Brocchi (who isn't?)... if Brocchi plays it's only because Carletto's scared to play a bit more offensively.

[Locke Lamora]

But if Gourcuff is loaned to Arsenal and develops there, it will be a massive change for him to return back to Italy, with different team-mates, different opponents, different playing styles etc.

@dst, this is what I'd like to see when Van Persie's back
------------------Almunia----------------
Sagna-----Toure------Gallas-----Clichy
------------------Flamini------------------
Rosicky--------Fabregas------------Hleb
--------Van Persie-------Adebayor-----

[kurtsimonw]

@dst, this is what I'd like to see when Van Persie's back
------------------Almunia----------------
Sagna-----Toure------Gallas-----Clichy
------------------Flamini------------------
Rosicky--------Fabregas------------Hleb
--------Van Persie-------Adebayor-----

The highlighted players aren't good enough for Arsenal, Wenger should look to replacing them - especially Sagna, he's not good enough for the EPL at all!

But about Gourcuff, he's young and French - Perfect for Arsenal.. Not that I think he'll fit in your team at all.

[dst]

But if Gourcuff is loaned to Arsenal and develops there, it will be a massive change for him to return back to Italy, with different team-mates, different opponents, different playing styles etc.

@dst, this is what I'd like to see when Van Persie's back
------------------Almunia----------------
Sagna-----Toure------Gallas-----Clichy
------------------Flamini------------------
Rosicky--------Fabregas------------Hleb
--------Van Persie-------Adebayor-----

You got it all wrong, I don't want Milan to loan Gourcuff to Arsenal, I'm talking about selling him. I think that's what's best for him...

I too believe this is Arsenal's strongest XI.

The highlighted players aren't good enough for Arsenal, Wenger should look to replacing them - especially Sagna, he's not good enough for the EPL at all!

Really? I think Sagna is one of Arsenal's best this season and of the main reasons why they are doing so well. Same for Flamini, (as they've themselves said) he's their Gattuso, he's a very useful player. Clichy is not bad but he's not world-class material either, I agree on this one. As for Almunia, he's no Buffon or Cech (ie he won't perform an unbelievable super save) but he's a 7 and he always produces a 7, he's consistent. In my view what Arsenal need the most is a world class forward.

[kurtsimonw]

Really? I think Sagna is one of Arsenal's best this season and of the main reasons why they are doing so well. Same for Flamini, (as they've themselves said) he's their Gattuso, he's a very useful player. Clichy is not bad but he's not world-class material either, I agree on this one. As for Almunia, he's no Buffon or Cech (ie he won't perform an unbelievable super save) but he's a 7 and he always produces a 7, he's consistent. In my view what Arsenal need the most is a world class forward.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

I would have even highlighted Adebayor as I've never rated him, but he has been World class this year.

[dst]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

I would have even highlighted Adebayor as I've never rated him, but he has been World class this year.

OK but you're wrong! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

The only world class thing he has done this season is his goal against Newcastle. He's a helpful player but he real far from being world-class. At least that's what I think.

[Locke Lamora]

The highlighted players aren't good enough for Arsenal, Wenger should look to replacing them - especially Sagna, he's not good enough for the EPL at all!
But about Gourcuff, he's young and French - Perfect for Arsenal.. Not that I think he'll fit in your team at all.

PLEASE tell me that was a joke...and I've come to really rate Flamini, he's got a great fighting spirit and it looks like he's starting to sharpen up in front of goal.

And dst, Adebayor and Van Persie are good enough.
I'd like Van Persie to stop getting all these 9-week injuries, though.

[Jack Sparrow]

Wenger should just get Villa. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Would be fun!!

[Locke Lamora]

OK but you're wrong! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

The only world class thing he has done this season is his goal against Newcastle. He's a helpful player but he real far from being world-class. At least that's what I think.

Sorry for the double post, but...

The volley against Spurs.
Squeezing Melberg in the air and scoring a header against Villa.
Doing the same against Spurs.
Two classy goals against Derby.
Running non-stop throughout every single game.

That's world-class...

[kurtsimonw]

PLEASE tell me that was a joke...and I've come to really rate Flamini, he's got a great fighting spirit and it looks like he's starting to sharpen up in front of goal.

And dst, Adebayor and Van Persie are good enough.
I'd like Van Persie to stop getting all these 9-week injuries, though.

Flamini? I hate his attitude but I like him as a player. I just don't think he has the ability to start for a top 4 team. He gives 110% all the time, but sometimes it's not enough. He should be played for a 2nd tier team like Newcastle, Pompey, Villa, Man City, etc.

As for Sagna, he shouldn't be playing for you. He looks better than he is because you're a good team and are on top of the game most of the time and he can get forward. When it comes to defending, I don't rate him at all. Even Carew owned him for pace in the build up to our goal! I'd prefer to have Eboue back there to be honest.

[Locke Lamora]

I guess you just haven't seen Sagna that much.
If you had, you'd have noted his incredible work capacity, his brilliant runs and well-timed tackles.

[dst]

And dst, Adebayor and Van Persie are good enough.

I love van Persie. We partly agree, I think Adebayor is good enough... for the bench.

That's world-class...

Yeah but not being able to control the ball 60% of the times is not. I'm not saying he's bad but with the feed he gets he should score a couple goals per game.

As for Sagna, he shouldn't be playing for you. He looks better than he is because you're a good team and are on top of the game most of the time and he can get forward.

That's not Sagna. That's what I'd say about Adebayor. He's a great team player but a starter for a team that's going for the championship? I don't think so...

I'd prefer to have Eboue back there to be honest.

Noooo! Eboue sucks big time!

[Locke Lamora]

Then we agree on one thing, Eboue is...not the best player youl'l ever see.
I guess wel'l just have to keep on disagreeing about Adebayor though.

[dst]

I guess wel'l just have to keep on disagreeing about Adebayor though.

Well... what to do... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I just hope he keeps on scoring (unless Arsenal meet Milan), that will keep us both happy!

[Zed.D]

One. A rare gem, whose qualities can never be supressed even by the "blindest" of coaches.

Name another? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Pirlo! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Jack Sparrow]

Hmm...Seedorf as well. The metamorphosis from Calamity Clarence to the Dutch Maestro has been something to behold.

And Mourinho managed to 'suppress' the qualities of Sheva pretty well, didn't he. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[kdman]

Both wrong. We're talking about young players coming to milan and getting the requisite opportunity to excel. Seedorf and Pirlo hardly fit that bill.

[Locke Lamora]

Hmm...Seedorf as well. The metamorphosis from Calamity Clarence to the Dutch Maestro has been something to behold.

And Mourinho managed to 'suppress' the qualities of Sheva pretty well, didn't he. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Dennis Bergkamp.

[Tennie]

Pirlo was 21 when Milan bought him. I'd say that's not too far different from Gourcuff's age.

[kdman]

And Mourinho managed to 'suppress' the qualities of Sheva pretty well, didn't he. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Drogba, Lampard, Terry, Essien, Cavalho, Cech, Robben all have thier greatest career performances under him. Sheva self-destructed. The style at chelsea (which was working excellently for the team) does not fit him. Unless you're suggesting Jose should shelve everything and re-build the team around Sheva. DOes that make sense?

I see we beat Urawa 1-0 to set up a final with Boca. Again, in Carlo's estimation, Gourcuff is not good enough even for his usual token 10/15 mins. Seerdorf's sub was Brocchi (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) And ppl accuse Mourinho of being defensive (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[IoRDanCHo]

Don't Arsenal want my ****?

[dst]

Don't Arsenal want my ****?

If you're still a teen I'm sure Wenger would jump at the chance!

[bigmacmtl]

Hmm...Seedorf as well. The metamorphosis from Calamity Clarence to the Dutch Maestro has been something to behold.

And Mourinho managed to 'suppress' the qualities of Sheva pretty well, didn't he. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

he isnt exactly flourishing under grant is he?

besides it's not mourinho's fault sheva was missing the easiest of chances just as it's not carlo's fault that gila is doing the same.

[Locke Lamora]

If you're still a teen I'm sure Wenger would jump at the chance!

That was low dst.
Really, really low. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

[dst]

That was low dst.
Really, really low.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

You're really angry at me for this? I was only joking pal... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

This post has been edited by dst: Dec 13 2007, 09:18 PM

[misha]

If you're still a teen I'm sure Wenger would jump at the chance!

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Locke Lamora]

Look, I don't see anything humorous about that sort of jokes.
That's the sort of humor Man U fans amuse themselves with, and if you think about, what is so funny about it?

[Rossoneri7]

Look, I don't see anything humorous about that sort of jokes.
That's the sort of humor Man U fans amuse themselves with, and if you think about, what is so funny about it?

Come on Locke .. U know dst, he likes to kid around. I'm sure he didn't mean to offend u in anyway (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[misha]

Look, I don't see anything humorous about that sort of jokes.
That's the sort of humor Man U fans amuse themselves with, and if you think about, what is so funny about it?

It's only a joke (it's funny because of Arsenal's constant preference of young players). It's not like we are only picking on Arsenal. Other teams ,like Inter or United, are ridiculed much more around here

This post has been edited by mishale: Dec 14 2007, 02:19 PM

[Locke Lamora]

It's not that I freak out every time someone jokes about Arsenal, but it's that particular one about Wenger's supposed morbidity.
Every time Arsenal play United at Old Trafford, you see these huge banners saying "Wenger is a fuc*ing paedophile", and that's way beyond "joking".
How would any of us react if people at work/school/jail(I can't be the only one)/neighbourhood had been constantly spreading a rumour like that?

[dst]

How would any of us react if people at work/school/jail(I can't be the only one)/neighbourhood had been constantly spreading a rumour like that?

For free? I'd be happy!

edit: Look, I don't find this offensive. I think it's a joke that's permissible. I wouldn't joke about one's skin color for example, that's not admissible in any way. But if it does annoy you, I won't repeat it.

This post has been edited by dst: Dec 14 2007, 04:02 PM

[aLbErTo]

Gourcuff Not Leaving Milan
Milan midfielder Yoann Gourcuff denied the possibility that he will be leaving the team in January.

Reports have suggested that the youngster will return to Ligue 1 on loan for the rest of the season, and then return to Milan in June.

However, Gourcuff wants to stay at Milan and insists there is no possibility that he will join another club in the upcoming transfer window.

He reiterated the intention to "prove his worth" to the European Champions, and "fight for a first team position."

The 21-year-old midfielder went on to say how he wants to "improve further in the Rossoneri's shirt" and that he "will not accept any offer, even if it comes from a French team in the coming weeks."

Gourcuff is currently with Milan in Japan as the team prepare for tomorrow's prestigious Club World Cup final.

However, the French player is not expected to be in the starting line-up, as has been the case for much of the season.

goal.com

[Rossoneri7]

Who in his right mind would leave Milan (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) It's like taking 10 steps backwards .. Then what ?? How are u gonna climb back up again (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[dst]

Who in his right mind would leave Milan (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) It's like taking 10 steps backwards .. Then what ?? How are u gonna climb back up again (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

One that wants to play some football?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

One that wants to play some football??  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Sure, let him sign up for Al-Qadisiya ... We are looking for a Conceição replacement (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[dst]

Sure, let him sign up for Al-Qadisiya ... We are looking for a Conceição replacement (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Don't fool yourself, Milan might be the classiest team in the world but no player with ambitions will stay and rot on the bench just because of Milan's status...

[Rossoneri7]

Simic did it for a while .. Anyways, you are giving too much significance to Gourcuff, if he has something to offer he'll stay. Otherwise, I think the club will be the one to offload him.

[dst]

Simic did it for a while .. Anyways, you are giving too much significance to Gourcuff, if he has something to offer he'll stay. Otherwise, I think the club will be the one to offload him.

I'm not giving anything to Gourcuff. I'm just saying that he has a future (big or small it doesn't matter) and if he's not playing he'll leave... You said who would leave Milan, I said one that wants to play football and is not getting it at Milan, if that's so difficult to digest then OK just don't change the subject.

[Rossoneri7]

What's the subject chief (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


Who cares really ... he stays, he leaves ... not gonna change anything really.

[kdman]

What's the subject chief (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Who cares really ... he stays, he leaves ... not gonna change anything really.

That's too simplistic a way to put it (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Even you know you shouldn't say that.

[aLbErTo]

well, simic did it for a long time (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) but gourcuff won't leave milan on his own for sure, who would at his age...i don't belive he can do a step backward, even if he's not playing, training around maldini, cafu, serginho,....costacurta as coach, i mean he can just improve...as player as person (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Nova]

I think Gourcuff is old enough to make up his own mind. If he wants to leave , ask for it. If not , then wait for your moment.

[Nova]

That's too simplistic a way to put it (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)   Even you know you shouldn't say that.

At this very moment , having gourcuff or not ... What's the difference ?

It really doesnt change anything.

[dst]

even if he's not playing, training around maldini, cafu, serginho,....costacurta as coach, i mean he can just improve...as player as person (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Most footballers choose football because they love it; not playing is like death for them...

[kdman]

At this very moment , having gourcuff or not ... What's the difference ?

It really doesnt change anything.

I know, it is his statement of "who cares really" that I felt was not proper.

[jefri91]

Most footballers choose football because they love it; not playing is like death for them...

So true

[august_milan]

Gourcuff is one of the few rising young stars in this aging milan side and thats not something we should just throw away. look at our midfield right now for the exception of pirlo they are the most inconsistant team out there, serdoff had a horrible game against inter which he is usally known for steppin up in big matches, gattuso hasnt been playin well lately and ambro plays stupid sometimes not to mention there not gettin any younger and it makes me wonder why they are not doin anything to solve this problem. our midfield has no pace we are the slowest team out there and milan finally invest in a player that they can use to thier advantage and he is rotting on the bench like so many players did at inter. so what if arsenal offer 20 million like milan dont already have money? milan is a richer club than arsenal just look at the money they made off selling sheva where did all that money go? no to buy pato emerson n ronaldo that for sure our president is holdin out on us and untill he goes deep in his pockets milans crisis will never end. we will end up waiting another 20 years befor we will win the scudetto. now i would much rather win the champions league myslef but i would still like to see milan win the scudetto again in the near future its been 4 years already n i think its 4 years too long. they need to give gourcuff more playin time i dont think a loan will suit him, he is at a good enough age and has enough skill to perform well at milan if he is loaned out to another team his talent is wasted becuase his improvement, moral, and efforts cannot be monitered as if he was playin for milan, he needs bond more with his teammates, players like pirlo, kaka and maldini will teach him how to be a champion and not a wasted talant.

[Fillipo Simone]

Gourcuff, at this moment is totally overrated. That's cause he does not get much playing time, but also don't shows anything special in the few minutes he get's.

But that's right for me. He's very young now, and there is much time left for him. Arsenal loves teen-players, but honestly, after a while we all get bored of them and they fade. Unlike the true stars, that start rising up somewere between 25. So, Yoahann only needs patience,...

[dst]

Gourcuff, at this moment is totally overrated. That's cause he does not get much playing time, but also don't shows anything special in the few minutes he get's.

I think not even the great Zidane would show something special coming on in the last ten minutes with his team trailing and his teammates not interested enough...

[bigmacmtl]

I think not even the great Zidane would show something special coming on in the last ten minutes with his team trailing and his teammates not interested enough...

excactly

[Fillipo Simone]

I think not even the great Zidane would show something special coming on in the last ten minutes with his team trailing and his teammates not interested enough...

You know, there are many types of players. There are some players, like Messi, who need only 10 minutes to transform from a complete anonimous to a star-player. Gourcuff isn't that type.

But I don't see a problem with him. He'll have to wait. That's very normal.

He has to choose, either to become a teen-star with high hopes and end up at Auxerre with 26 or to start slowly transforming into something real good with us. Of course, there is a third option, somthing like Pele - a wonder from the very first to the last moment. But really, I don't rate him that high,..

[dst]

You know, there are many types of players. There are some players, like Messi, who need only 10 minutes to transform from a complete anonimous to a star-player. Gourcuff isn't that type.

Messi can come on with 10 minutes to go on the clock and make a difference but that's not the way he made a name for himself... he evolved his game by playing full matches...

[Fillipo Simone]

Messi can come on with 10 minutes to go on the clock and make a difference but that's not the way he made a name for himself... he evolved his game by playing full matches...

No, but that's how he converted 10 into 90 minutes,.. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)