[Portman]

http://www.as.com/articulo/futbol/Alves/Ba...sdaiftb_40/Tes/

(IMG:http://www.revistasdigitales.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/070305-alves.jpg)

Ronaldinho to Chelsea, Daniel Alves to Barcelona.

What the hell is this? Are they joking with the entire Europe or what? I really hope so... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[PS: I just posted this in the Milan NEWS section because it talks about 10R]

[Tennie]

It's As. Let's hope they're just drunk and creative. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Portman]

It's As. Let's hope they're just drunk and creative. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Is Ronaldinho that stupid (to move to EPL) and to a club with no prestige, history, whatever?

TBH I think AS is just putting some pressure on R.Madrid to sign Alves. It's the only explanation for this news. It must be.

[misha]

It's bullshit. They are just trying to piss Barca or something. AS is worse than tribal (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

To make space for him Chelsea would need to sell Sheva first.

This post has been edited by mishale: Aug 26 2007, 04:19 AM

[kurtsimonw]

Is Ronaldinho that stupid (to move to EPL) and to a club with no prestige, history, whatever?

Would Alves be stupid enough to move to a club with no prestige or history?

[Rossoneri7]

Would Alves be stupid enough to move to a club with no prestige or history?

U r not comparing R10 to Alves .. R u ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

U r not comparing R10 to Alves .. R u ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

It doesn't matter on the name of the person.

Why would a player worth tens of millions move to a club with no prestige or history? - Is that better. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

It doesn't matter on the name of the person.

Why would a player worth tens of millions move to a club with no prestige or history? - Is that better.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

No ... I truly want to know what ur opinion is; are u honestly comparing R10 to Alves ?!


Alves ?! He is worth tens of millions ?! u gotta be kidding me ... Why ?! I mean, Cafu in his prime wasn't worth that much !!! And we r talking about Cafu here

[kurtsimonw]

It's very difficult to compare players in different positions. From what I've heard of their valuations right now, Alvez is definetely better value for money. He's around £24m compared to R10s £70m. In that case, I'd take Alves.

I know Cafu wasn't worth tens of millions in his prime, but prices for players have gone up a hell of alot, even in the past 12 months. Players like Hargreaves and Carrick have been bought for £18m, when a few years ago it would have been closer to £8m.

Ruud van Nistelrooy was bought for nearly £20m by United, I thought that was a stupid amount of money, nowadays any above average player is worth that much. Madrid have spent that on about 5 seperate players. United have now spent close to that on Hargreaves, Carrick, Nani and Anderson. Cafu, if he was younger and still in his prime, would be worth closer to £20m also.

[Rossoneri7]

I don't know about those valuations .. But that wasn't what I was talking about.


R10 needs no introduction ! I don't need to write anything colorful to describe what he is ! While Alves, you would need to convince a couple people that he is the "best right back in the world" (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Thus, I wouldn't compare Alves with R10 ...

R10 has a better option available (i.e. Milan), and that option can easily afford him ! Plus, he would be playing for the best club in the world.

Alves, maybe Chelsea would pay ridiculous amounts for him .. I mean they bought a worn out Shevchenko, why wouldn't they (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Maybe Madrid, as they are turning into a over spending club ... But, I have yet to see a club pay ridiculous amounts for a wing back ! It is unprecedented, it simply does not happen.

[dst]

No ... I truly want to know what ur opinion is; are u honestly comparing R10 to Alves ?!
Alves ?! He is worth tens of millions ?! u gotta be kidding me ... Why ?! I mean, Cafu in his prime wasn't worth that much !!! And we r talking about Cafu here

In my opinion Alves is worth E35m! And he's not worse than Cafu in his prime. Especially if you consider that we're willing to spend E100m on Ronaldinho... if I was taking that fee seriously, I'd say Alves is worth E60m!!

You "have yet to see a club pay ridiculous amounts for a wing back" because defenders are underestimated... the first time to win a Golden Ball is Cannavaro in 2006... I can name a dozen than SHOULD have won it! And there are not so many full-backs that can be as effective as Alves... In the past 20 years there have only been Maldini, R.Carlos and Cafu that could have cost BIG money to a team... the former two were certainly worth the Golden Ball... but I guess Maldini has never been a player as good as Ronaldinho! I guess meaningless tricks actually mean a lot so some people...

[kurtsimonw]

I guess meaningless tricks actually mean a lot so some people...

I'm glad somebody said it for me, if I came out with that I'd get bullied on here. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

In my opinion Alves is worth E35m! And he's not worse than Cafu in his prime. Especially if you consider that we're willing to spend E100m on Ronaldinho... if I was taking that fee seriously, I'd say Alves is worth E60m!!

You "have yet to see a club pay ridiculous amounts for a wing back" because defenders are underestimated... the first time to win a Golden Ball is Cannavaro in 2006... I can name a dozen than SHOULD have won it! And there are not so many full-backs that can be as effective as Alves... In the past 20 years there have only been Maldini, R.Carlos and Cafu that could have cost BIG money to a team... the former two were certainly worth the Golden Ball... but I guess Maldini has never been a player as good as Ronaldinho! I guess meaningless tricks actually mean a lot so some people...

Meaningless tricks ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) R u talking about CR ?!


Defenders are not underestimated !! I mean, if u take the fee that Berlusconi payed for Nesta, u would know that this isn't true ... The golden ball ?! If I was given the opportunity to be the judge of that competition it would go to Maldini hands down !!!

What I was pointing towards is a wing back, I mean sure he has quality and is fast and all that, but Alves really shouldn't be compared to R10 ! Neither should Carlos, Cafu, Zambrotta, etc ...

Then, we are not willing to spend 100M ... It is the owner of the club that is willing ... It's ok, you can evaluate Alves to be the best footballer in the game .. If u can live with this idea, then by all means (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

But don't compare R10 to Alves. Not because of the quality that R10 has, but because you are talking about a player that has played at the highest of stages !! And comparing him to a player who has yet to feel the pressure of playing for a BIG club.

[dst]

Meaningless tricks ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) R u talking about CR ?!

Defenders are not underestimated !! I mean, if u take the fee that Berlusconi payed for Nesta, u would know that this isn't true ... The golden ball ?! If I was given the opportunity to be the judge of that competition it would go to Maldini hands down !!!

What I was pointing towards is a wing back, I mean sure he has quality and is fast and all that, but Alves really shouldn't be compared to R10 ! Neither should Carlos, Cafu, Zambrotta, etc ...

Then, we are not willing to spend 100M ... It is the owner of the club that is willing ... It's ok, you can evaluate Alves to be the best footballer in the game .. If u can live with this idea, then by all means (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

But don't compare R10 to Alves. Not because of the quality that R10 has, but because you are talking about a player that has played at the highest of stages !! And comparing him to a player who has yet to feel the pressure of playing for a BIG club.

No, I'm talking about Ronaldinho...

Nesta was and is the best CB in the world! He captained Lazio to a scudetto... and he was a big desire of Berlusconi... the biggest at that time... what he paid is only the exception that proves the rule! In Italy they do rate defenders highly but Italy is only a small part of the football world...

You are not the one who decides who's given the Golden Ball... what matters is that those that actually decide for it never gave it to Maldini or any other defender before 2006... That is a fact and that proves that they are underestimated!

I see you rate Ronaldinho really high... well, I don't. Roberto Carlos is a legend to me, so is Ronaldo... R20 has a long way to go to reach that level in my view... and if he keeps on putting money first he never will! If I was still 5 maybe I would be in love with every fancy move he makes but they hype around him does not affect me... I rate him for what he is not for what people think he is!

I don't think Alves is the best in the game, how the heck did you come up with that!?? And don't act like everyone must think as you do; I don't like Ronaldinho and that's it, you laughing is not going to change my opinion...

I did not compare Alves to R10...

[kurtsimonw]

I pretty much agree with what dst said there.

But on comparing Alves and R10, as I said, it's very difficult to directly compare since they play completely different positions. But I will say this. Alves gives you something at the back AND going forward, something R10 does not.

[dst]

I'm glad somebody said it for me, if I came out with that I'd get bullied on here.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I though you were... prepared... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

No, I'm talking about Ronaldinho...

Nesta was and is the best CB in the world! He captained Lazio to a scudetto... and he was a big desire of Berlusconi... the biggest at that time... what he paid is only the exception that proves the rule! In Italy they do rate defenders highly but Italy is only a small part of the football world...

You are not the one who decides who's given the Golden Ball... what matters is that those that actually decide for it never gave it to Maldini or any other defender before 2006... That is a fact and that proves that they are underestimated!

I see you rate Ronaldinho really high... well, I don't. Roberto Carlos is a legend to me, so is Ronaldo... R20 has a long way to go to reach that level in my view... and if he keeps on putting money first he never will! If I was still 5 maybe I would be in love with every fancy move he makes but they hype around him does not affect me... I rate him for what he is not for what people think he is!

I don't think Alves is the best in the game, how the heck did you come up with that!?? And don't act like everyone must think as you do; I don't like Ronaldinho and that's it, you laughing is not going to change my opinion...

I did not compare Alves to R10...

Who said I was laughing ?!

And I wasn't talking to u in the first place ... U just jumping head in to a discussion where I was trying to understand how a wing back (Alves) is to be compared to a forward (R10).

If u and Kurt don't rate R10 .. That is ok, I am not his lawyer and I am not implying that everyone should believe that he really is the best. All I am saying is he has won a lot ! And he is, believe it or not, the MVP in Europe.

Carlos is a great wing back !! I never said anything to contradict this; all I said is he is a wing back and shouldn't be compared to a forward !

Ronaldo is the phenomenon and I have nothing more to add about him, wearing the Rossoneri jersey leaves little for me to add (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

Nesta is the best centerback in the world (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I didn't disagree there ... Madrid bought Pepe for how much ? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ... Thus it isn't an exception to the rule .. center backs like Nesta, Puyol, Terry, Ferdinand, Carrager, etc they would cost a fortune .. Thus it isn't an exception to the rule.

But Alves ?! IMO he has been too hyped up. He is good, but not Milan quality good. And u don't have to agree with me ... Cuz he really isn't that important of a player for me in the first place

[dst]

Who said I was laughing ?!

And I wasn't talking to u in the first place ... U just jumping head in to a discussion where I was trying to understand how a wing back (Alves) is to be compared to a forward (R10).

If u and Kurt don't rate R10 .. That is ok, I am not his lawyer and I am not implying that everyone should believe that he really is the best. All I am saying is he has won a lot ! And he is, believe it or not, the MVP in Europe.

Carlos is a great wing back !! I never said anything to contradict this; all I said is he is a wing back and shouldn't be compared to a forward !

Ronaldo is the phenomenon and I have nothing more to add about him, wearing the Rossoneri jersey leaves little for me to add (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

Nesta is the best centerback in the world (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I didn't disagree there ... Madrid bought Pepe for how much ? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ... Thus it isn't an exception to the rule .. center backs like Nesta, Puyol, Terry, Ferdinand, Carrager, etc they would cost a fortune .. Thus it isn't an exception to the rule.

But Alves ?! IMO he has been too hyped up. He is good, but not Milan quality good. And u don't have to agree with me ... Cuz he really isn't that important of a player for me in the first place

Well yes, he's won a lot... so does Deco... and Zidane... I can't see how some people can compare Ronaldinho but not Zidane to Pele and Maradona! Bergkamp has won little... does that mean he's crap!? What I'm trying to say is that it's not just about how much you've won... for me at least. R10 is undoubtedly a world-class player... but he's not as good as you are implying. He has not been more important for Barcelona than Deco and Puyol have in the past couple of seasons! Kaka is the MVP in Europe at the moment.

I rate Carlos higher than that... I was trying to say that he should have won the Golden Ball. Maybe even twice!

You just said Madrid are turning into an over-spending club... There are only around 10 defenders that would cost much! You named 5 of them... of course proven defenders (those 10 actually) are going to cost a lot of money! But still, how much would Puyol cost and how much would Eto'o cost!?? I don't think Eto'o is more important a footballer than Puyol! I was talking about unproven players in the first place... players like Nani and Anderson... we've seen dozens of them getting sold for crazy sums while Pepe is the only defender... he is an exception...

Alves had been hyped up!? Sure, who isn't? But in a much lesser extent than Ronaldinho whose picture should appear in vocabularies next to the word hype!! Why do you think Alves is not important?

This post has been edited by dst: Aug 26 2007, 12:25 PM

[Rossoneri7]

Well yes, he's won a lot... so does Deco... and Zidane... I can't see how some people can compare Ronaldinho but not Zidane to Pele and Maradona! Bergkamp has won little... does that mean he's crap!? What I'm trying to say is that it's not just about how much you've won... for me at least. R10 is undoubtedly a world-class player... but he's not as good as you are implying. He has not been more important for Barcelona than Deco and Puyol have in the past couple of seasons! Kaka is the MVP in Europe at the moment.

I rate Carlos higher than that... I was trying to say that he should have won the Golden Ball. Maybe even twice!

You just said Madrid are turning into an over-spending club... There are only around 10 defenders that would cost much! You named 5 of them... of course proven defenders (those 10 actually) are going to cost a lot of money! But still, how much would Puyol cost and how much would Eto'o cost!?? I don't think Eto'o is more important a footballer than Puyol! I was talking about unproven players in the first place... players like Nani and Anderson... we've seen dozens of them getting sold for crazy sums while Pepe is the only defender... he is an exception...

Where is this going ?! All I wanted to know was how one can compare Alves to Ronaldinho.

I do agree with 90% of what u said (10% being R10 (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) .. And Bergkamp is a f@cking legend !!!! And Zidane, well it’s better we don’t go there (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

When I said he won a lot .. I didn’t tell u compare him to others, I’m defining what type of a player he is, a winner.

Alves had been hyped up!? Sure, who isn't? But in a much lesser extent than Ronaldinho whose picture should appear in vocabularies next to the word hype!! Why do you think Alves is not important?

Well to u R10 is hyped up … Do I ask u why ?! It's ur opinion of him (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

When I said not important, I meant not important for me to discuss at full length .. But because I like u so much – we can do it all nite

[kurtsimonw]

I like u so much – we can do it all nite

Selective quoting at it's best. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Sorry R7, only messing. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

Selective quoting at it's best.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Sorry R7, only messing.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

By all means ..

Plus, u probably weren't aware that dst used to be my ex ... So .. Well before the operation that is, she was a penguin back then (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) It's complicated

[kurtsimonw]

By all means ..

Plus, u probably weren't aware that dst used to be my ex ... So .. Well before the operation that is, she was a penguin back then (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) It's complicated

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[dst]

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

What are you laughing at!?? You got a problem with penguins?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

What are you laughing at!?? You got a problem with penguins?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Not at all, I love penguins. They're very.. Black and white.

[dst]

Not at all, I love penguins. They're very.. Black and white.

I thought so!

[Milan Are Brilli...]

Meaningless tricks ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) R u talking about CR ?!

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I've never got this Ronaldinho does as much as C.Ronaldo yet Ronaldo is always the one who's criticised on here. I imagine if Ronaldinho played in the EPL and Ronaldo in the La Liga, everyone would have a go at Ronaldinho (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

Not really Ash ... CR would be great at futsal, he is undoubtedly a star in the EPL. He has brilliant ball control and is one of the best assist players in the game. SAF has brought out the best in him.

Yet, when you compare CR and R10 .. It is obvious that tricks are part of their game and that they both share the same quality, in that they are unique in their style of play. But the difference is that to me, R10 is a much more effective team player; an eg. would be in the CL when we faced Barca at San Siro and when we faced United at San Siro, R10 played more for the team, while CR tried to go for his usual runs and therefor it was much easier to close him down! Now I might be biased in this analysis, but the fact remains that R10 has much more to offer than CR on a football pitch.

[kurtsimonw]

For what it's worth. I think Cristiano is far more important to United than R10 is to Barcelona.

If R10 is struck down with injury, his left wing spot will go to Henry. Which in my opinion, would not effect Barca in a negative way at all. When Cristiano gets injured/suspended, his spot goes to Nani, who is.. let's just say, as manly as a baby girl, and a complete waste of time. United need Ronaldo in a big way, Barca could afford to let R10 go, and it may even benefit them.

In any case, they both care more about their own image/How good their tricks look than actually being a team player. I wouldn't take either of them.

[Milan Are Brilli...]

Not really Ash ... CR would be great at futsal, he is undoubtedly a star in the EPL. He has brilliant ball control and is one of the best assist players in the game. SAF has brought out the best in him.

Yet, when you compare CR and R10 .. It is obvious that tricks are part of their game and that they both share the same quality, in that they are unique in their style of play. But the difference is that to me, R10 is a much more effective team player; an eg. would be in the CL when we faced Barca at San Siro and when we faced United at San Siro, R10 played more for the team, while CR tried to go for his usual runs and therefor it was much easier to close him down! Now I might be biased in this analysis, but the fact remains that R10 has much more to offer than CR on a football pitch.

Ok, one of the biggest effects for a team is to assist right, so what makes Ronaldinho far more effective? Ronaldo is United at the moment, look at how they are playing at the moment without him. Yes I know Rooney's not playing either but I don't rate that guy any more than I do Saha. Ronaldo is United, just as Kaka is Milan.

If Ronaldo plays bad United play bad, just look at our 3-0 demolition of them at the San Siro, once we stopped him the game was won. Roma couldn't stop him and they went to hammer them 7-1, freak result maybe but I'm sure if Ronaldo wasn't in that team it would have been a lot different.

Don't get me wrong I don't think Ronaldinho is rubbish maybe a bit overly hyped but certainly not a bad player. I just don't get how these 'meaningless tricks' as they are described on Ronaldo can really be said now, not after last season anyway! He has the end product something he lacked for his first few seasons at Old Trafford. Plus there's still the fact that Ronaldo is 22, Ronaldinho is 27...

[Portman]

About this news... Barcelona director confirmed that THERE'S NO INTEREST in Daniel Alves.

[kurtsimonw]

According to SSN - Roman put R10s brother in a hotel for the night, apparently they're in talks about trying to bring 'Dinho to The Bridge.

[Rossoneri7]

Of course he is young, he has enough time to improve (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ... I don't think United wait for CR to turn it on for them to clinch a win. I think they have a pretty good team with players like Giggs and Scoles, they have a very balanced attacking unit. And United's record now doesn't prove anything, look at how Barca are performing with their 'fantastic 4' ... Plus, it is just the beginning of the season ..

When u look at R10, forget about Henry and this season ... Look at Barca 2 years ago, he was exactly what Kaka' is for us today .. R10 was Barca ! Sure he might have taken the bigger spot in the limelight than CR, but that is only natural as he has won much more than CR. Maybe in 1 or 2 years CR (Maybe this season..) would have matured and become much more experienced .. Then you can evaluate him to his fullest.

Or if u still disagree that he isn't a complete player, look at how Kaka' performed in comparison to CR in the past 3 seasons ... Kaka' was much more effective.

On the other hand, it is very difficult for me to draw this line of a difference as I am entertained by CR when he plays for United and Portugal ... Still, I like the more experienced players, players whom have performed at the biggest of stages .. So it is nothing personal, just my opinion - as I would take effective and well experience players over youngsters even if they show promise.

This post has been edited by Rossoneri7: Aug 27 2007, 01:47 PM

[Portman]

According to SSN - Roman put R10s brother in a hotel for the night, apparently they're in talks about trying to bring 'Dinho to The Bridge.

Pervert. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Seriously, I don't see Ronaldinho as a player that Mourinho would like to coach. That's why in many interviews he always said "To chose a player in the world I'd like to have? Kaka', no doubt."

Never said Ronaldinho. Too lazy and pony-tricking for him.

This post has been edited by Porty: Aug 27 2007, 01:55 PM

[Milan Are Brilli...]

Or if u still disagree that he isn't a complete player, look at how Kaka' performed in comparison to CR in the past 3 seasons ... Kaka' was much more effective.

On the other hand, it is very difficult for me to draw this line of a difference as I am entertained by CR when he plays for United and Portugal ... Still, I like the more experienced players, players whom have performed at the biggest of stages .. So it is nothing personal, just my opinion - as I would take effective and well experience players over youngsters even if they show promise.

There's not a better player in the world than Kaka at the moment and I try to say that with my unbiased hat on! So effective in the CL last season, and 2 already yesterday he is the one who should be given World Player of the Year, certainly at this stage.

That's in the main why I like Ronaldo, he's entertaining. It's good to see a player happy to take on others, for too long in the EPL the only way to get around players is pace (Ronaldo has that too) but he just likes to 'take them on' as it were. I'm not a fan of La Liga really, although I did enjoy the ending to last season so I guess I'm a bit biased! Still if Milan signed either of them I'd be extremely happy!

[Tennie]

I rather like Cristiano Ronaldo as a player. He's one of the few players in the EPL who has really tremendous technical skill (don't hit me, Kurt!). The tricks are fun to watch too, but tricks will only get you so far. Remember the CL semi in Milan. CRs first touch of the ball was a backheel to....Oddo. And then there was him trying to move the ball and getting dispossessed by Seedorf.

[bigmacmtl]

No ... I truly want to know what ur opinion is; are u honestly comparing R10 to Alves ?!
Alves ?! He is worth tens of millions ?! u gotta be kidding me ... Why ?! I mean, Cafu in his prime wasn't worth that much !!! And we r talking about Cafu here

well it's hard to compare cuz cafu was in his prime 5-6 years ago so since then the value of players has inflated.

[Portman]

But Alves ?! IMO he has been too hyped up. He is good, but not Milan quality good. And u don't have to agree with me ... Cuz he really isn't that important of a player for me in the first place

You don't follow Sevilla do you?

He's by far the best RB in the world who can play also as RW, RM. He's as good as Cafu in his prime IMO, although he's only 24.

[kurtsimonw]

I rather like Cristiano Ronaldo as a player. He's one of the few players in the EPL who has really tremendous technical skill (don't hit me, Kurt!). The tricks are fun to watch too, but tricks will only get you so far. Remember the CL semi in Milan. CRs first touch of the ball was a backheel to....Oddo. And then there was him trying to move the ball and getting dispossessed by Seedorf.

I agree with you on Ronaldo there!

But I won't have to put up with him for long. This season his productivity will go down. Players will stop trying to win the ball, and just foul him instead, he'll soon get bored of this and leave.. Hopefully. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Tennie]

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Something's wrong.

Kurt and I are agreeing.


Maybe it's a full moon? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

well it's hard to compare cuz cafu was in his prime 5-6 years ago so since then the value of players has inflated.

How has it inflated

[Rossoneri7]

You don't follow Sevilla do you?

He's by far the best RB in the world who can play also as RW, RM. He's as good as Cafu in his prime IMO, although he's only 24.

Yes I did follow Sevilla ... And he is the perfect tactical tool; where u can play him in several positions on the right. But, he has yet to prove himself at a top club ... i.e. he lacks experience.

Look at Cicinho, before Madrid people were going crazy ... Now look at him, average at best !

Cafu on the other hand is a double world cup winner amongst his vast gold medal collection. He is of the highest quality ! Cafu is Cafu.


Alves, has yet to prove what he can do. Personally, I don't see a problem with him being in the Sevilla team on Friday ! I think it would be great to once again prove a point ! You bring him up against the likes of Kaka' or Seedorf and I will guarantee you he will be begging to be subbed after getting owned 12 times in the first 20 minutes (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

Sure he has the speed and all that 'flair', but tell me when did he really turn it on against teams like Milan or Juve ?! IMO, he has a long way to go, cuz Spanish defenses aren't exactly Serie A quality (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) . Maybe in time he will mature and come clean, but as of now, he really isn't worth all this hype IMO.

oh and the best right back in the world is Oddo (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

[Portman]

Alves, has yet to prove what he can do. Personally, I don't see a problem with him being in the Sevilla team on Friday ! I think it would be great to once again prove a point ! You bring him up against the likes of Kaka' or Seedorf and I will guarantee you he will be begging to be subbed after getting owned 12 times in the first 20 minutes (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

Sure he has the speed and all that 'flair', but tell me when did he really turn it on against teams like Milan or Juve ?! IMO, he has a long way to go, cuz Spanish defenses aren't exactly Serie A quality (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) . Maybe in time he will mature and come clean, but as of now, he really isn't worth all this hype IMO.

What did Ronaldinho and Robinho against him? Remember the last UEFA SuperCup when he was the man of the match? Remember last week's in Bernabeu vs. Robinho? And in Sevilla, the first leg?

Please. He plays in La Liga. Not the Swiss league.

[Rossoneri7]

Please. He plays in La Liga. Not the Swiss league.

U got anything against the Swiss league !!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

It's bad enough they have no army, now ur taking a swipe at their league !! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

In any case, I never said he was cr@p ... All I said was, he doesn't deserve all this hype.

I didn't watch the super cup ... And what is ur point ?! I mean, I already said that he isn't that important for me to discuss in the first place ..

p.s. What is the problem with me not rating this player ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) IMHO, he has got a looooong way to go to reach Cafu's status.

[bigmacmtl]

How has it inflated

well cafu in his prime would probably worth 20-23m 5-6 years ago but today i'm sure he would be worth a good 35-40m (close to what sevilla is asking for alves)

[Portman]

U got anything against the Swiss league !!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

It's bad enough they have no army, now ur taking a swipe at their league !! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

In any case, I never said he was cr@p ... All I said was, he doesn't deserve all this hype.

I didn't watch the super cup ... And what is ur point ?! I mean, I already said that he isn't that important for me to discuss in the first place ..

p.s. What is the problem with me not rating this player ?!  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) IMHO, he has got a looooong way to go to reach Cafu's status.

Just a bit weird not to rate the best RB in the world for what, maybe 90% of the people... even dst. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[bigmacmtl]

How has it inflated

of course it's hard to calculate exactly how much the fees for players have inflated in recent years. i've noticed that for big names and big talents the price has almost doubled but when it comes to older players or less know talents their prices havent gone up much. an example is how we paid like 7m for kaka and then 4 years later we paid 20m for pato (obviously it's a diff player and a diff club were dealing with but the scenarios are both very similar)

[Tennie]

Much as I adore Milan's RBs, I think Dani Alves is better. Off the top of my head, the only guy I think competes with him /right now/ for 'best in the world' is Zambrotta. I'd rate Zambrotta a little higher because he can play on both sides and, well, he's Italian. I'm biased.(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Portman]

Much as I adore Milan's RBs, I think Dani Alves is better. Off the top of my head, the only guy I think competes with him /right now/ for 'best in the world' is Zambrotta. I'd rate Zambrotta a little higher because he can play on both sides and, well, he's Italian. I'm biased.(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Zambrotta's performance last season in La Liga was pathetic. OK, he's 30 but still...
He and Thuram were pathetic.

Alves tops Zambrotta in every single thing: speed, stamina, attacking, defending, can take fk's and corners, the girls prefer Alves haircut (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) , etc.

This post has been edited by Porty: Aug 28 2007, 03:12 AM

[Tennie]

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Porty, you're commenting on haircuts? Gosh. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Okay, you can have dibs on Alves. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I agree that he's a wonderful talent, but would like to see him repeat his amazing Liga performance in a league that actually emphasizes defense.

[My pet theory on why Zambrotta, Thuram, and Cannavaro sucks last year is that it was a sort of karmic payback for their ditching the Zebras. Plus, they went from a league where defenders are gods to a league where they're....not.]

[kurtsimonw]

of course it's hard to calculate exactly how much the fees for players have inflated in recent years. i've noticed that for big names and big talents the price has almost doubled but when it comes to older players or less know talents their prices havent gone up much. an example is how we paid like 7m for kaka and then 4 years later we paid 20m for pato (obviously it's a diff player and a diff club were dealing with but the scenarios are both very similar)

They have inflated alot!

These were all record breaking transfers in the Premier League at their time:
£2 million in July 1994 (Chris Sutton, Norwich City to Blackburn Rovers)
£7 million in January 1995 (Andy Cole, Newcastle United to Manchester United)
£7.5 million in June 1995 (Dennis Bergkamp, Inter Milan to Arsenal)
£8.5 million in July 1995 (Stan Collymore, Nottingham Forest to Liverpool)
£15 million in July 1996 (Alan Shearer, Blackburn Rovers to Newcastle United)
£19 million in May 2001 (Ruud van Nistelrooy, PSV Eindhoven to Manchester United)
£30 Million in June 2006 (Andriy Shevchenko, A.C. Milan to Chelsea)

I think that's proof enough that transfer fee's have inflated a hell of alot. Alan Shearer was regularly scoring 25-30 at that time and was still in his prime, yet Shevchenko was bought for double the price AND past his prime.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Aug 28 2007, 08:56 AM

[Rossoneri7]

Just a bit weird not to rate the best RB in the world for what, maybe 90% of the people... even dst.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

So ... ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Plus I am part of that 10% arent I (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I never said he was cr@p though, all I said was he is too hyped up.

This post has been edited by Rossoneri7: Aug 28 2007, 11:15 AM

[Rossoneri7]

@BigMac ... Inflation doesn't mean literally to inflate per say ... Inflation is part of the economic cycle, it is related with commodities and goods that relate to you in the 1st degree rather than speculated prices of football players.

Talking about players value and how it has increased is one thing, but it has no bearing in the laws and theories of inflation.

Pato cost X much because Chelsea were in the wings waiting for our deal to collapse ... Has nothing to do with inflation. A perfect example would be Juve's whole sale last year.

Thus inflation isn't another word for inflated prices. It is more of a technical term which is regulated by the central bank of each country.

This post has been edited by Rossoneri7: Aug 28 2007, 11:14 AM

[kurtsimonw]

Well, I really know nothing about it so I should probably shut up.. But the only reason I say values have inflated is because there's now more money to go around, I thought that was what it was to do with? Maybe not.

So in football terms - the more money there is, the less it's worth. Since EPL teams have been given 66% more tv money than usual it would mean prices for players, especially involving EPL teams, have inflated? I must have something right. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Aug 28 2007, 12:07 PM

[dst]

How has it inflated

With a pump! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Yes I did follow Sevilla ... And he is the perfect tactical tool; where u can play him in several positions on the right. But, he has yet to prove himself at a top club ... i.e. he lacks experience.

Look at Cicinho, before Madrid people were going crazy ... Now look at him, average at best !

Cafu on the other hand is a double world cup winner amongst his vast gold medal collection. He is of the highest quality ! Cafu is Cafu.
Alves, has yet to prove what he can do. Personally, I don't see a problem with him being in the Sevilla team on Friday ! I think it would be great to once again prove a point ! You bring him up against the likes of Kaka' or Seedorf and I will guarantee you he will be begging to be subbed after getting owned 12 times in the first 20 minutes (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

Sure he has the speed and all that 'flair', but tell me when did he really turn it on against teams like Milan or Juve ?! IMO, he has a long way to go, cuz Spanish defenses aren't exactly Serie A quality (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) . Maybe in time he will mature and come clean, but as of now, he really isn't worth all this hype IMO.

oh and the best right back in the world is Oddo (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

A club that finishes in the top 4 in La Liga is a top team and there wouldn't be much more pressure on him if he was playing for Barcelona or Madrid!

Cicinho was playing in Brazil before Madrid got him!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) And I know you will agree with me on that Madrid hype up their future players...

Cafu is a legend no doubt... but it's not like he won those WC's on his own... he was blessed to always play with the best... Alves has never been given that chance...

Alves will probably not play against us in the final but he sure wouldn't be owned by Kaka and Seedorf! He would even give Clarence a head-start!!

Spanish defenses are not Serie A quality but Alves does not dribble past them... he just runs faster than them and Serie A defenders are not any faster! He would be deadly in Serie A! Maybe you should wonder what Ronaldinho is going to do in Serie A!! He's the one that will have problem and he's the one that lost the battle every time he played against Alves... I remember one certain game when he even had to retreat to the right side! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) And what hype, Alves is not the one compared to the greatest players in football's history!

@BigMac ... Inflation doesn't mean literally to inflate per say ... Inflation is part of the economic cycle, it is related with commodities and goods that relate to you in the 1st degree rather than speculated prices of football players.

Prices have gone up a lot... that's not something you can deny... (unproven) players like Nani were not sold for 20m+ 5 years ago...

A perfect example would be Juve's whole sale last year.

That would be the worst example ever!!! Man are you really in the economy business!?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Juventus were in no place to negotiate for any of their players... their players wanted out and the board needed money... they should be thankful for what they got! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


As for the CR vs R20 issue, CR was clearly better than R20 last season so there's not that big a difference between them right now... and when CR begins to appear anywhere there will be none... Oh, wait! He's not Brazilian... too bad for him!

This post has been edited by dst: Aug 28 2007, 01:41 PM

[Rossoneri7]

With a pump! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

No sh1t

A club that finishes in the top 4 in La Liga is a top team and there wouldn't be much more pressure on him if he was playing for Barcelona or Madrid!

Cicinho was playing in Brazil before Madrid got him!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) And I know you will agree with me on that Madrid hype up their future players...

Cafu is a legend no doubt... but it's not like he won those WC's on his own... he was blessed to always play with the best... Alves has never been given that chance...

Alves will probably not play against us in the final but he sure wouldn't be owned by Kaka and Seedorf! He would even give Clarence a head-start!!

Spanish defenses are not Serie A quality but Alves does not dribble past them... he just runs faster than them and Serie A defenders are not any faster! He would be deadly in Serie A! Maybe you should wonder what Ronaldinho is going to do in Serie A!! He's the one that will have problem and he's the one that lost the battle every time he played against Alves... I remember one certain game when he even had to retreat to the right side! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) And what hype, Alves is not the one compared to the greatest players in football's history!

Look, for me I don't rate Alves as some of u do ... Is that a problem ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I don't know, but I know that Sevilla have a good team (with or without him!)

Prices have gone up a lot... that's not something you can deny... (unproven) players like Nani were not sold for 20m+ 5 years ago...
That would be the worst example ever!!! Man are you really in the economy business!??  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Juventus were in no place to negotiate for any of their players... their players wanted out and the board needed money... they should be thankful for what they got! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
As for the CR vs R20 issue, CR was clearly better than R20 last season so there's not that big a difference between them right now... and when CR begins to appear anywhere there will be none... Oh, wait! He's not Brazilian... too bad for him!

The value of certain currencies (i.e. money) has gone up, yes .... But inflation is a different issue. I wish I could elaborate more on it, but it would take ages .. Unless u know a thing or two on economics ..

economy business ?! I have a bachelors degree ... I have studied all this a long time ago .. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[dst]

Look, for me I don't rate Alves as some of u do ... Is that a problem ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

economy business ?! I have a bachelors degree ... I have studied all this a long time ago ..  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

No it's not a problem... but not anyone is supposed to admire Ronaldinho as much as you do either, right?

Then you didn't really expect Giuve to get more than they did, do you? Look, I don't know what happens in other businesses but in football, when a player wants out and the team is also bound to sell him because they need the money his price goes to the bottom.

[Portman]

Look, for me I don't rate Alves as some of u do ... Is that a problem ?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Of course not.

I'm just glad I agree dst in something. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[dst]

Of course not.

I'm just glad I agree dst in something.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

The love we share is much bigger than any dispute!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

[misha]

You can't compare between Cafu at his prime and Alves now, but you can compare them at the same age. Cafu only moved to europe (Roma) at 27 and had his best years when he was close to 30. Alves only 24 now, and already the best at his position. He can improve even further and I have no doubt he will succeed at Italy. And Sevilla in the last two years are a top club (not Milan or Real but still...).

This post has been edited by mishale: Aug 28 2007, 03:02 PM

[Rossoneri7]

No it's not a problem... but not anyone is supposed to admire Ronaldinho as much as you do either, right?

Then you didn't really expect Giuve to get more than they did, do you? Look, I don't know what happens in other businesses but in football, when a player wants out and the team is also bound to sell him because they need the money his price goes to the bottom.

But I told u, I don't expect u to rate R10 ... The whole discussion started from something totally different. And it ended with people questioning me about why I don't rate Alves .. Well, I did say that he has quality, I never denied that .. I also did say that he is the perfect tactical tool. he can play in several positions. But for me to rate him and hype him up the way it has been going on, I would have to actually see him lift a world cup, win the CL, La Liga .. This is where I rate a player. After he has mature, gained experience, knows how to keep his cool on the big stages, etc ... An example here could be Gilardino. In Parma he was too good to be true !!! But in Milan, he is 3rd in the pecking order. So Alves right now is too good to be true for some of u in Sevilla, but in Madrid .. If he succeeds then you will see me praising him.

--------------------------

Exactly, the Juve example !!! My quote:

Pato cost X much because Chelsea were in the wings waiting for our deal to collapse ... Has nothing to do with inflation. A perfect example would be Juve's whole sale last year.

Here I was clearing up why inflation has nothing to do with players value! So what if Juve were under pressure to sell for less ?! It just proves the point that inflation has nothing to do with players value.

Players moving from one club to another is as similar as you get a job offer and moved from one firm that u work for to another .. It depends on ur credentials and how good ur CV is .. And as for the player, it depends on his credentials etc ..

In any case, whatever (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[dst]

An example here could be Gilardino.

It's a much different situation with Alves. First of all, Alves has been incredible in Europe too... I don't rate the UEFA Cup much but it IS a challenging competition and it is hard to be able to always play consistently... something Alves has done. Secondly, Parma was built around Gila while Alves is "only" a full-back and he shines among many other great talents!

I get what you're trying to say though about when you consider a player to be great so it's pointless to go on with this...

Here I was clearing up why inflation has nothing to do with players value! So what if Juve were under pressure to sell for less ?! It just proves the point that inflation has nothing to do with players value.

But you can't the Juventus situation as an example to compare players' prices... it was a special situation and the those prices are not real... if you really believe they were well I don't want to say anything further... but apart from those deals, every single other one shows that the prices HAVE gone up: Pato, Walcott, Nani, Pepe, Gila...

[bigmacmtl]

when i say inflation i'm not relating the literal inflation rate of different countries because the football word has it's own economic system in certain respects. all i'm saying is so much money is being thrown around these days so clubs have been asking for even more because of the demand and precedants that are being set every year... i mean 80m for ronaldinho +40m for wages for one player!?!?!? even tho it dont go thru, these sorta figrues are unheard of. so ya 40m is too much if you compare it to cafu in his prime cuz even he wouldnt have gone for nearly that much cuz it was 5-6 years ago, because transfer fees have gone up a lot since. if you think 40m is too much for alves now, thats fine cuz you just think he's overrated.

This post has been edited by bigmacmtl: Aug 28 2007, 05:10 PM

[Rossoneri7]

But you can't the Juventus situation as an example to compare players' prices... it was a special situation and the those prices are not real... if you really believe they were well I don't want to say anything further... but apart from those deals, every single other one shows that the prices HAVE gone up: Pato, Walcott, Nani, Pepe, Gila...

That is what I meant !!!! The value of the players that were sold from Juve last summer .. had inflation been considered they would have held their value !!

Let us say u have a a real estate company, u were bankrupt ... The bank had to foreclose all your loans .. Then your property was put up for sale. Here because inflation has a direct correlation with the price of real estate, the value remains at whatever figure it is on the market ...

Players value isn't related to inflation. The whole concept isn't logical, as the players aren't commodities or goods ... As in my previous example, players can be associated with employees ..

Sure players value increases depending on the demand. I mean with teams like Madrid and Chelsea prices have soured up !!! But again, this has nothing to do with inflation ! Inflation measures and predicts future prices. Don't mix inflation with inflated ..

p.s. Let's just drop it and keep it simple ... Alves is sh1t (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by Rossoneri7: Aug 28 2007, 05:42 PM

[Rossoneri7]

when i say inflation i'm not relating the literal inflation rate of different countries because the football word has it's own economic system in certain respects. all i'm saying is so much money is being thrown around these days so clubs have been asking for even more because of the demand and precedants that are being set every year... i mean 80m for ronaldinho +40m for wages for one player!?!?!? even tho it dont go thru, these sorta figrues are unheard of. so ya 40m is too much if you compare it to cafu in his prime cuz even he wouldnt have gone for nearly that much cuz it was 5-6 years ago, because transfer fees have gone up a lot since. if you think 40m is too much for alves now, thats fine cuz you just think he's overrated.

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)


Sure the football world has it's own finances ... And in today's football, with teams like Chelsea and Madrid willing to part with a fortune each summer .. Prices are bound to go up. And as u said, prices are unheard off ... SAF was complaining 2 summers ago about how expensive it is to buy players these days .. Again, Chelsea and Madrid (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) And now that these billionaires are buying their stakes at EPL teams, I wont be surprised if in a couple of years these figures would be the norm (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

40M to me, is the value of proven players. i.e. Nesta would be considered around that range ...

In any case, who cares !!! I'm just here to enjoy the football (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[bigmacmtl]

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)
Sure the football world has it's own finances ... And in today's football, with teams like Chelsea and Madrid willing to part with a fortune each summer .. Prices are bound to go up. And as u said, prices are unheard off ... SAF was complaining 2 summers ago about how expensive it is to buy players these days .. Again, Chelsea and Madrid (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) And now that these billionaires are buying their stakes at EPL teams, I wont be surprised if in a couple of years these figures would be the norm (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

40M to me, is the value of proven players. i.e. Nesta would be considered around that range ...

In any case, who cares !!! I'm just here to enjoy the football  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

hehe i think we're all here for the same reason (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)