For as long as He wants...


He doesn't care... He had the chance to "retire in style" before and He didn't take it... it means nothing to Him...


Struggle?? That never happened... Look, I don't want to look arrogant but if there's one thing I know about football, that's what the defenders do and how they should do it. You say Paolo was bad against ********* but that's not true... He made many wrong passes, probably 5 or 6 but His defending was outstanding!! This opinion is not biased, it's honest... Do you know why Maldini can still play at this level even at 39? He can't run like youngsters do, He can't tackle like them either... but His experience is greater than all the other defenders' experience put together! Do you understand He's defended against attackers of three different decades?? ... And you might say... "OK, so what does experience give to him?". What experience gives to Him is outstanding positioning! He's exactly where He should be... not a nanometre wider!! No one got past Him in the final... they got past Nesta though! He thinks before the attacker, He's always two steps forward... so if nobody can get past him he doesn't need to run... that's why He still goes on... that's the Godly trick of His...

And if you think I'm too passionate to admit otherwise, what about Gazzetta? They gave Him a 7.5, Nesta got a 7... Every Italian newspaper rated Him as good or better than Nesta... and that's not just out of respect...

It's not for me and you to say when He will retire... we simply don't have a say on this!


Not enough... but sufficient!!??? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


Yes he was backed then... but I'm talking last season... he said himself that he would probably have been replaced if he hadn't won the CL... he said it on the official website...


And you still believe it was a smart move?? 25m to meet and agent? How much would you pay to meet Jolie?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by dst: Jul 7 2007, 12:31 PM

Come on... you know there are many Italians who would give head for a place under Milan's bench... let alone a place on it!


I'm sure you don't mean this! It's a wrong use of words there... it wouldn't be compromise, it would be beating cheapness!!! Do NOT reply to this, you're not really telling me we could not pay 3 or 4 million more? Is this milanfan.com or usalessandriafan.com!?? We're Milan for God's sake... if we're not willing to pay a couple millions more (and that would take his price up to... 10m?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ) it's not because we don't want to compromise, it's because we are cheap!! You can't deny that, it's ridiculous!! Berlusconi's Milan can't pay 10m?? It's farcical...


And in the end we lost... we lost it at the home stretch... that means the team could have used some help...


Come on... you can't be so stubborn!! Do you remember the team we fielded in the last match before the CL final? It was the freaking Primavera!!! Do you remember the game before that, against Catania? We were barely running... would we be able to do that if we were on the title race?? Please... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


I thank God every day, for all that he's offered to Milan!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Would Milan be a worse team if we had lost the Final?? I don't think so... do you? Then why would we make changes then and we don't do some now?... Because the San Siro is going to be full probably...


Porty is actually hell scared... he just plays it cool...


Our scouting is alright... but how can we buy a player when we are not 150% sure he's going to be the next Zidane!?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Maldini was Man of the Match against Bayern and he didnt even make a sliding tackle

True he wasnt as effective as Nesta, but his presence alone dettered some players on that night and he has mountain loads of experience. He didnt do anything significantly wrong anyway

...

Am I biased?? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by dst: Jul 7 2007, 01:01 PM

Well, just like Pippo I haven't been around that much recently, but I feeld like I have to give my opinion on this as well. A few months ago I alreday spoke out some things I still think here

First of all I don't agree with R7s opinion on our strategy on the market. Sounds a bit like Galliani propaganda (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
No one can deny that we lost Suazo to Inter, and that WAS an embarassment, because Suazo prefered inter to Milan. Saying that we missed out on him for a reason is nonsense. IMO there are no more world class striker on the market. Henry is gone, Eto'o won't leave and the chances on R20 are about 10%. It seems that we could get Sheva but our board doesn't want to pay a fee...they prefer to get him on loan. Of course Chelski are refusing that...they want as much money back as possible.
And no one can deny the fact that last the market last summer wasn't a disaster. Galliani promised an equal for Sheva and we got...Oli (for freekin 15 Million Euro?!?). Gourcuff and Bonera are OK, but to be honest, neither of them really impressd me. We could have gotten a player like Zlatan but Galliani was to stupid.
AND everyone who knows a bit about football knew we had a huge gap on the RB position, but Galliani refused to pay some more money for Oddo. Then in January we had to pay more because Oddo played a brilliant season so far.

This years market isn't much better so far (but hey...we got Ba (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ). Why can every other team (except for Real (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ) sign big players for cheap money? Henry for 24 Million, Klose for 15 Million, while we think about signing Cassano? That's really embarassing. I have not given up hope, but I don't see any world class striker joining us like Galliani promised

Oh and, here's a quote of you R7 from April I assume:


Still think we'll get a replacemt for Billy? Didn't Galliani say something like "another striker and then we're fine"? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

@LaPalma... We brought a replacement for Billy -> Digao!

Digao is not Billys replacement. He's a present for Ricky (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

For the record, Maldini is a Milan star. I don't care if he is on crutchs, he is the first name to be on the pitch (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)



This is what the president of Cagliari had said:

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=336765

This is why I believe we backed out instead of Suazo ditching us, though his preference was Inter.



So you want Milan to turn into Madrid .. I don't get what ur saying.



Well .. This season, the target was 4th place, whatever came extra was extra. Last season and the season before that, we all know how Juve won it. I don't have more to add on this dst .. It's like insulting ur intelligence if I have to keep going.



No. I didn't say it was a smart move. All I said was it was the "good" part of the deal, cuz he turned out to be a flop. Again, I am repeating myself (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Yeah...we're the nice guys (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)



No doubt about that (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

This post has been edited by LaPalma: Jul 7 2007, 03:44 PM

I know that every player on this planet would dream of playing for AC Milan. I know of one Inter player who has stated that he would like to change sides.
So I am sure there are players out there to sit our bench. But the players that people seem to want (on this forum) are players of quality. These players wont sit the bench.

And on that, do u think I am against such a thing ?! Of course I am all for it!

The thing I am making a stance is, not to be ignorant and just speak against u .. I am saying the managment has the last word on all this. And whatever they are doing, it is probably for a very good reason. Us fans are feeding off of tabloids and daily news feeds .. But we have no idea what the club is going through and what it is trying to do! So I give them the benifit of the doubt ..

One thing is certain, this club is the most decorated on the international level and is #1 in European standings. What more .. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)



If Berlusconi doesn't want to pay 2M he wont! If Galliani doesn't want to pay 5 cents he wont ! It is as simple as that.

Look it isn't about that .. It is totally about compramise. And if u can't see it .. Then I don't know what is going on .. Last summer Milan was negotiating for Oddo and Ronaldo .. For Ronaldo Milan weren't gonna compromise Kaka' and for Oddo Milan were having their arm bent.

Even when the actual transfer of Oddo took place .. There was still disagreement between Lazio and Milan.

Now what happened between them and the actual dialog, again, we as fans don't know sh1t. we are "told" 2M or 5M .. But what is actually going on .. We all don't have a clue.



Yeah from Moggi (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)



Well yes, we would have done that in a title race .. Cuz it''s a champions league final (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)



Well .. look .. had we lost that final. Many players would have gone, Dida, Broochi, etc etc .. and Berlusconi would have started reconstructing a new team.

But since we won the CL, he can't do that ! This is the team that won the CL (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Plus .. It's good for players like Kaka' to see how Milan takes care of it's players and rewards them (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Enough=sufficient... You can't say it is the one but not the other...


Go on...

Yes we do know how Giuve won it but what does that have to do with what I'm saying??

Milan demanded that Ancelotti would bring them the 'Big Ear' or he would face the sack... That is a fact! I'm going to search and find that article from acmilan.com. You said the team had the full support of the management and I answered with this...

And now you're telling me that Milan lost those titles unfairly... The cause of the ultimatum the board delivered to Ancelotti was not even the issue here but what you said backs my words... Ancelotti was on the verge of being kicked out AND undeservedly... that is NOT what I call supporting the team!


Yeah... I'm trying to get your point here... we were talking about good transfers, not about good parts of a transfer...


You're talking to me now not to people on these forums! And I'm saying that Milan should have gotten a player that's better than Brocchi... There are players better than Brocchi and worse than Vieira I reckon... it's not just black and white, is it?


I want Milan to be competitive on all fronts... like we did back in '04/'05! We lost all targets back then but at least we were there! And as you said, we lost the one because our rival cheated!


So we agree; they don't want to pay!! I knew we would come to a decision...

Look, I love the current Milan board... they've given everything to Milan!! But that doesn't mean they don't make mistakes or that I won't point them out... they've done mistakes in the past too... BIG ones! And I wouldn't like to see history repeat itself...


No, from the bench! Our only worthy sub was Rui Costa...


I understand you did not start supporting Milan just yesterday... so don't bullsh!t me, you know Milan did NOT do this in '05...


That's not my point and... you did not answer my question; would the same team that thrashed United, be worse if they had lost the final that they are now? That's what I'm asking...

This post has been edited by dst: Jul 7 2007, 04:25 PM

I never said Maldini was BAD against Liverfool! I just said he wasn't the real Maldini, the Maldini we all know.
And I didn't question his experience, abilities and godly tricks too! who am I to question his technical abilities?! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I just say he will be 40 in the upcoming season and he will not be able to play in 4 major tournaments. it is normal to have a drop of form and performing below expectations at this age (I'm sure you won't deny that).
I guess as long as he doesn't announce his retirement, Milan will not be looking for a decent CB (perhaps they will be satisfied with Digao, Bonera, Simic, etc) and that could cost us finally.


Maybe it just means something to me... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)



Then I'd better shut my mouth (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)




Gazzetta's opinion doesn't have an impression on me. I have watched the final many times and I still think Nesta was our best player that night, even better than Inzaghi (in fact apart from those two goals, which one of them was a fluke, Inzaghi didn't do anything special that night).

Nesta was flawless that night. yes, he made one single mistake, but you know that it was inevitable.
[oh, by the way Kaka made many mistakes in Athens, but he was our 'most decisive' player].

Anyway it's unacceptable to say Nesta was inferior to Maldini, if Gazzetta says so... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

He made some bad passes but in defence He was flawless in my view... of course He's not the young horse that used to tore the opponents' defensive structures apart but His class is still incomparable!


No, He won't... but only He will decide in which games He wants to play.


He announced He will retire next summer.


Well I have an opinion on this too but it's His decision to make...


You mean in Gerrard's ((IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/puke.gif) ) chance? Well, in any case he did made a defensive mistake while Paolo did not! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I didn't expect you to change your opinion just because some guy at Gazzetta thinks differently, I just wanted to point out that it's not just me who think Maldini was very good that night... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by dst: Jul 7 2007, 04:48 PM

Yes Milan did loose those titles unfairly ! U have been saying it for the past year !!
The board gave an Ultimatum to Ancelotti (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) This is a first! The board have always been in support of Carlo. It is the fans, again I repeat this, that stood against Carlo ! Carlo's main target last season was 4th place .. Galliani and Berlusconi stated it ! The champion league triumph was just to show how strong this Milan team is. While Carlo had already reached his target for this season, 4th place.



Well .. Oliviera was a sh1tty transfer, as was Gilardino (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) This was a remark dst, not involved in the discussion .. but if we must drag him in, he is sh1t



Again .. I agree here with you .. The club could have added more to the team .. But that hasn't happened. Still, even with us not adding, we won the Champions League and reached the league target of 4th place.

It ain't black and white .. You wanted Diarra last season ! Well, where was he gonna fit ?! I'll tell you, right between Simic and Broochi on the bench.

On Simic and Broochi, these are the second string players Milan has, and they have done well coming off the bench. The problem Milan faced was injuries, more than the lack of reliable substitutes.

Ok .. So let us say Milan should have gotten 5 players last season .. Then what ?! The same outcome would have happened (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) The league was always gonna be Inters and the two years before that always Juve ...



Milan is still as competitive as it was back then. Last season a remarkable climb back to the top 4 and a CL triumph, the two seasons prior we stretched both competitions to the maximum! We are the most consistent club in town. We Only lost to Barca last year, the then crowned champs of Europe (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)



Well, if Milan decide not to buy at a certain price, then that is their policy (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) It isn't football manager 06 (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Mistakes .. Everyone makes mistakes, George Bush makes them every day ..

Milan is an organization .. They have a balance sheet that has to be checked at the end of every season. Moreover, there are cash-flow statements, and other fiscal data that needs to be assessed too. Therefor, Milan isn't sitting on a bank account and throwing away money. Sure Silvio is a billionaire and loves Milan to shreds and has promised that he will be intervening to bring a superstar. That aside, Milan is still an organization and will be run as such.

Moreover, it has a reputation in the transfer market. Look at Chelsea, any club Chelsea goes to for a player, the club automatically pushes the price 20% higher (i.e. Essian). Now you don't want Milan to be in that situation (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) It isn't about 2M or 5M, it is about compramise.



I resent that remark! Rui doesn't deserve the bench !! This is where we need to draw our conclusions. Youw ant a sub of Rui's quality, I wouldn't like to see a player of Rui's quality on the bench (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) We are no Madrid, Chelsea, or Inter.



Whether I am new to Milan or not ... It is football, before a final match. You rest your key players. This isn't rocket science, it's pure logic.



Well, against United, I believe it is one of the greatest games Milan ever played. And if u know me, you would know that I rate Milan today as I would rate it 12 years ago .. I am biased from a certain stand point, and the history helps too (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

So with the United game being one of the greatest ... And us 'loosing the Athena final' .. the team wouldn't be worse .. It would just mean that certain players would move away. Which is perfectly healthy, had we lost.

This post has been edited by Rossoneri7: Jul 7 2007, 05:36 PM

@dst... we both have our opinions, but it seems to me that we are in agreement after all!
you seem to be very much passionate about Maldini, that's admirable (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) believe me that I love him too! but since I'm so logical ( (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ) I accept these facts about our legend, whether I like em or not.

I wonder what all these transfer talks and Maldini talks have to do with PATO DREAM!? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)