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han2503
post Feb 1 2007, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Feb 1 2007, 10:38 PM)
Thats what I would like to think, unfortunately carlo is in charge and anything could happen!!!!
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post Feb 1 2007, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE (mishie @ Feb 1 2007, 05:15 PM)
Storari will be a good replacement for Dida so no worries there, obviously inzaghi being injured is a concern as we are running out of fit and available strikers so it will probably be the xmas tree formation for the ascoli game.
I hope pippo will be fit for the celtic games as we surely need to progress in this seasons ucl!!
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Why play the Christmas tree when we have at least two fit strikers. And when we play the Christmas tree we don't play Gourcuff with Kaka behind the striker - IMO that would give us the pace we need upfront. Seedorf would be better playing behind them as he is too slow to play further up the field.
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post Feb 1 2007, 11:45 PM
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QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Feb 1 2007, 10:42 PM)
Why play the Christmas tree when we have at least two fit strikers. And when we play the Christmas tree we don't play Gourcuff with Kaka behind the striker - IMO that would give us the pace we need upfront. Seedorf would be better playing behind them as he is too slow to play further up the field.
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Good point

The next time we play the xmas tree it should look like this

Oddo--Bonera--Maldini--Janku
-----Rino---Pirlo---Seedorf-----
--------Gourcuff--Kaka---------
--------------Oliveira------------

This is the only way I could see it working
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post Feb 2 2007, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 2 2007, 01:45 AM)
Good point

The next time we play the xmas tree it should look like this

Oddo--Bonera--Maldini--Janku
-----Rino---Pirlo---Seedorf-----
--------Gourcuff--Kaka---------
--------------Oliveira------------

This is the only way I could see it working
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No offence to ur post .. But the team, as a whole cant play this formation.

I dont mean to act like 'mr. know it all' .. We need certain players that can play it

Goucuff is too young and everyone seems to think he has it in him to be a part of the first XI, he has potential, but it is too early for him.
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post Feb 2 2007, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 2 2007, 03:42 PM)
No offence to ur post .. But the team, as a whole cant play this formation.

I dont mean to act like 'mr. know it all' .. We need certain players that can play it

Goucuff is too young and everyone seems to think he has it in him to be a part of the first XI, he has potential, but it is too early for him.
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post Feb 2 2007, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 2 2007, 03:42 PM)
No offence to ur post .. But the team, as a whole cant play this formation.

I dont mean to act like 'mr. know it all' .. We need certain players that can play it

Goucuff is too young and everyone seems to think he has it in him to be a part of the first XI, he has potential, but it is too early for him.
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Because when we play with 2 defencive mids it works so well?

Ok so switch Seedorf with Gourcuff, that way he won't have the pressure of playing in that position.

But playing Gattuso and Brocchi together is far worse then starting Gourcuff.
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post Feb 2 2007, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 2 2007, 07:32 PM)
Because when we play with 2 defencive mids it works so well?

Ok so switch Seedorf with Gourcuff, that way he won't have the pressure of playing in that position.

But playing Gattuso and Brocchi together is far worse then starting Gourcuff.
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It's not who Carlo should field to accomidate this formation .. It's who he needs to bring in.

There r so many games that Carlo had tried out the x-tree formation this season .. Check out how the players react in certain situations ... It isn't about Seedorf ahead of Gourcuff .. Or Broochi and Gattuso pairing ..

I mean .. Do we have a striker able to play alone upfront and score on a regular basis ? Do we have width ? Is our defence reliable and doesnt suffer under pressure ? Does the team play with enough speed to score from a counter attack ? etc etc etc .. These r things we lack BIG time .. the x-tree formation wont work, with the players that we have at the moment.
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post Feb 2 2007, 06:14 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 2 2007, 05:08 PM)
It's not who Carlo should field to accomidate this formation .. It's who he needs to bring in.

There r so many games that Carlo had tried out the x-tree formation this season .. Check out how the players react in certain situations ... It isn't about Seedorf ahead of Gourcuff .. Or Broochi and Gattuso pairing ..

I mean .. Do we have a striker able to play alone upfront and score on a regular basis ? Do we have width ? Is our defence reliable and doesnt suffer under pressure ? Does the team play with enough speed to score from a counter attack ? etc etc etc .. These r things we lack BIG time .. the x-tree formation wont work, with the players that we have at the moment.
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Those are good points, but if it was tried with Oli instead og Gila I think it would work out much better then at has this season.

Don't forget that we played this formation in 02/03 that season we had no fullbacks what-so-ever.
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post Feb 2 2007, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 2 2007, 05:14 PM)
Those are good points, but if it was tried with Oli instead og Gila I think it would work out much better then at has this season.

Don't forget that we played this formation in 02/03 that season we had no fullbacks what-so-ever.
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We had Sergio back in 02/03 and Stam/Billy played RB (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Feb 2 2007, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE (milanistar @ Feb 2 2007, 07:17 PM)
We had Sergio back in 02/03 and Stam/Billy played RB (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Sergio did not have his best year back then plus... Stam was not a Milan player (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) and Billy was never a RB!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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QUOTE (milanistar @ Feb 2 2007, 05:17 PM)
We had Sergio back in 02/03 and Stam/Billy played RB (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Stam and Billy are not fullbacks and they don't help much in attack. Sergio didn't always start in 02/03 because Maldini sometimes still played on the left
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post Feb 2 2007, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 2 2007, 07:14 PM)
Those are good points, but if it was tried with Oli instead og Gila I think it would work out much better then at has this season.

Don't forget that we played this formation in 02/03 that season we had no fullbacks what-so-ever.
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We had Sheva ,better defence and our key midfielders were in good shape. With current Milan Oli wouldn't have made much difference
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post Feb 2 2007, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 2 2007, 08:14 PM)
Those are good points, but if it was tried with Oli instead og Gila I think it would work out much better then at has this season.

Don't forget that we played this formation in 02/03 that season we had no fullbacks what-so-ever.
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U cant compare 02/03 w/ this season, han .. Rivaldo, Inzaghi, Shevchenko, Rui Costa, Seedorf

But look at this team now; Oli, Gila, Kaka, Seedorf, Gourcuff (ahem WHO ?!)

The options we had back then far exceeds the options we have now. Inzaghi back then would guarentee a goal per game .. Now he would guarentee a goal per month (thats IF we r lucky) .. I mean, in 02/03 Milan had built a team to play certain formations .. Recently Milan has been playing w/ two upfront and the team has been molded to fit that formation .. Other than that, Milan has tried, but we all saw the team fail in that respect.
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post Feb 3 2007, 01:26 AM
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QUOTE(milanistar @ Feb 2 2007, 07:17 PM)
We had Sergio back in 02/03 and Stam/Billy played RB


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That season we were playing with Simič as RB, Maldini and Nesta as CB and Kaladze as LB (this was also our line-up in CL final against Juve). Serginho at that time didn't play in defence. He was always used in midfield and as said above Stam wasn't our player at that time.
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 2 2007, 06:39 PM)
U cant compare 02/03 w/ this season, han .. Rivaldo, Inzaghi, Shevchenko, Rui Costa, Seedorf

But look at this team now; Oli, Gila, Kaka, Seedorf, Gourcuff (ahem WHO ?!)

The options we had back then far exceeds the options we have now. Inzaghi back then would guarentee a goal per game .. Now he would guarentee a goal per month (thats IF we r lucky) .. I mean, in 02/03 Milan had built a team to play certain formations .. Recently Milan has been playing w/ two upfront and the team has been molded to fit that formation .. Other than that, Milan has tried, but we all saw the team fail in that respect.
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The problem is not so much the formation or the players (offcourse nobody is getting any younger (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) , but still ). Bigger problem is that we are playing the same type of football for about 5 years, so now every team knows how to play against us and which players to limit - and if they do so, we struggle.
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