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Serie A - Week 16 - Milan - Verona, Date: 13/12/15 Time: 15:00 CET |
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Dec 14 2015, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 14 2015, 02:44 AM)  I don't know. There are so many answers to that question. Or versions of it. Mind giving me one? Aside from the usual "you should support your club in the better and worse" talk. QUOTE (Nova @ Dec 14 2015, 10:49 AM)  It think Milan has an identity crisis. Money alone won't do the trick , and let's be honest , Milan never could compete with outgoing transfer sums with the likes of Barca , Real , ManUtd , ... But Milan had that winning DNA as we once all said . Relatively unknown players with immense talent combined with experienced top class players , an intellegent coach with a working plan and a management capable of producing a healthy balance between buying top players , producing talented youth and have scouts roaming the globe. I believe it was that what made Milan truly great. To be an absolute world class team with less "resources" than other team.
But then I remember those words from Uncle Fester that Milan cannot be that same club anymore and we must focus on youth alone. And I knew then , many years ago , that this would be Milan's downfall. After the last generation of world class players left like Nesta, Maldini , Gatusso , Pirlo , Seedorf , etc I knew we would come to this where we would end up with a pool of substandard players trapped in this surreal situation where the only thing that makes this club a topclub is it's history , that's it. We have a great history.
The future , even if we get funds from a new owner is "lost" in my oppinion. We lost that Milan DNA , that Milan Identity if I can call it that , when we let our old lions go and replaced them with players who are not cut out for a club like Milan. Suddenly players like Bonera became our new Nesta/Stam/Silva and we ended up with a puddle of , sorry for my languague , cr@p players/coaches/management.
There is nothing solid we can build a steady club on , our pilars are gone. I have been a Milan supporter since the Van Basten days , that's about 20 years now , and I really fear for the future of our club. I don't care about the money when it's our soul that we lost. Indeed my friend, your perfectly summarized the feelings of every Milan fan. And the worst part of all this is that we don't seem to learn from our mistakes. It became quite clear that relying on rookie coaches was not the way to go since Leonardo left, so who do we hire instead? Cagliari's Allegri, then Seedorf and Inzaghi with zero experience, and now another rookie in Mihajlovic. Outcome: the same usual bullshit. But that's not the end of it. It seemed like we were trying to get rid of all these "rotten apples" we had in our dressing room, by gradually releasing the likes of Boateng, Muntari, Balotelli, Niang etc. only to get them back without any real plan or idea. Boateng's potential signing this January is mind-boggling. Not to mention the usual Galliani panic buys at the last moment, the latest example of which being Kucka. Nothing really seems to change, and it won't change until Galliani is shown the door for good, or at least somebody else is put in charge of signing the players, as Maldini suggested a few days ago.
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Dec 14 2015, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 14 2015, 04:10 PM)  Mind giving me one? Aside from the usual "you should support your club in the better and worse" talk.
Indeed my friend, your perfectly summarized the feelings of every Milan fan. And the worst part of all this is that we don't seem to learn from our mistakes.
It became quite clear that relying on rookie coaches was not the way to go since Leonardo left, so who do we hire instead? Cagliari's Allegri, then Seedorf and Inzaghi with zero experience, and now another rookie in Mihajlovic. Outcome: the same usual bullshit.
But that's not the end of it. It seemed like we were trying to get rid of all these "rotten apples" we had in our dressing room, by gradually releasing the likes of Boateng, Muntari, Balotelli, Niang etc. only to get them back without any real plan or idea. Boateng's potential signing this January is mind-boggling.
Not to mention the usual Galliani panic buys at the last moment, the latest example of which being Kucka.
Nothing really seems to change, and it won't change until Galliani is shown the door for good, or at least somebody else is put in charge of signing the players, as Maldini suggested a few days ago. The problem is that I don't think Berlu understands that Galliani is at the root of the problem, nor will he acknowledge his own part in this. Galliani is his trusted advisor, the man who helped make Milan great. And of course he (Berlu) is always right. And who in the club will tell it to Berlu the way it is? Barbara may have tried, but at the end Berlu went back to the man he trusts. Recently I have seen a few articles highlighting the problem, but who listens to journalists? Sad state of affairs.
This post has been edited by Forza Milan!: Dec 14 2015, 05:28 PM
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Dec 15 2015, 11:29 PM
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My question is, how long can Galliani's leash really be? Eventually Berlu is going to lose patience with him, at least thats my hope and he will be the one on the chopping block. I'm surprised this hasn't happened already. Guys like Maldini, Nesta, Gattuso, etc should be with the team, as coaches or scouts or something. I think that would be the only way for us to rebuild that culture.
Why does Berlu have such ties to Galliani? I'm a relatively young (22) fan so my Milan history doesn't run as far back as some. I missed a lot of the golden days but I am thankful to have caught the great Ancellotti years. I got to see my team in the Champions League final 3 times. That is something many fans may never see. I'll never give them up even if we get relegated. The anger that I feel week to week can be washed away by the pictures and videos of those teams, and the hope that one day I will get to see a captain of Milan lift that cup again. Then all of this bs will seem like a distant memory.
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Dec 16 2015, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE (maldini03 @ Dec 16 2015, 12:29 AM)  My question is, how long can Galliani's leash really be? Eventually Berlu is going to lose patience with him, at least thats my hope and he will be the one on the chopping block. I'm surprised this hasn't happened already. Guys like Maldini, Nesta, Gattuso, etc should be with the team, as coaches or scouts or something. I think that would be the only way for us to rebuild that culture.
Why does Berlu have such ties to Galliani? I'm a relatively young (22) fan so my Milan history doesn't run as far back as some. I missed a lot of the golden days but I am thankful to have caught the great Ancellotti years. I got to see my team in the Champions League final 3 times. That is something many fans may never see. I'll never give them up even if we get relegated. The anger that I feel week to week can be washed away by the pictures and videos of those teams, and the hope that one day I will get to see a captain of Milan lift that cup again. Then all of this bs will seem like a distant memory. Of course I don't know what's in Berlu's mind, but my guess (fear) is that Galliani is in a solid position. Why? As you age, you become more reluctant to make changes (especially in critical areas). Also, the more successful you are in life, the more you become convinced that your judgment is always right, and the less likely you are to listen to advice from anyone that disagrees with you (assuming anyone you trust has the guts to disagree with you openly). Finally, Galliani has been "Berlu's man" from the start, and you stand by your people (this may be an "Italian thing", the "Signoria" philosophy from the Renaissance period surviving into modern times). Bottom line, "Galliani is my man, and he helped me make Milan great. Why would I change now?".
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Dec 17 2015, 06:34 PM
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I've been reading over all the things you guys have been saying, and I totally agree with everything. This club, just doesn't feel like Milan anymore. Sure I'll continue to watch the games, I still love this club and I have a lot of great memories of moments and players who have played for us in the past, but at this point, I'm mostly watching out of habit more than anything else. QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 13 2015, 06:38 PM)  Ancelotti's rejection this summer was the turning point. I am positive that if Carlo had accepted, not only we'd have a top class coach, but we would have attracted bigger names as well. This comment perfectly illustrates how stupid, unimaginative and downright stuck in his ways Galliani is. So there is no other top coach out there besides Carlo? Or if we can't attract a top coach within the same tier as Carlo, you go for the next best thing. There are dozens of coaches out there who might not be top class names, but are reliable tacticians who get you results. No, if going back to someone who is familiar for us didn't pan out we go out and bring in the first available rookie. It's simply the same pattern Galliani repeats over and over again each summer in the transfer market, first we chase players who we can't really attract, then instead of trying to think outside the box and bringing in someone who might not be a star name but is still a great player who will imprve the side, we make a panic buy and bring in the first random player offered to us by one of Galliani's "friends"
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Dec 17 2015, 06:35 PM
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btw, Coppa match is tonight for anyone interested, will keep the comments here as there's no point in opening another thread
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Dec 17 2015, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 17 2015, 09:38 PM)  Just to be clear, if we win tonight we'll face Carpi in the quarters and the winner of Alessandria-Spezia in the semis. In other words, we'll have the path paved to the final. Let's see... that's a big IF, same old steaming pile of cr@p so far from this team. Cerci and Kucka are just huge liabilities, Monto and someone (anyone) should come on for them
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Dec 17 2015, 10:09 PM
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Goal, Niang!
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Dec 17 2015, 10:30 PM
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The amount of times Cerci is caught off side while standing in a position where he can literally see the entire defensive line is simply astonishing. This guy's IQ is probably shockingly low. Such a tactical donkey!
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Dec 18 2015, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 18 2015, 09:16 PM)  Any moment now untill Zio Fester claims the EL is better then CL ... (IMG: style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) We're stuck in Wonderland with the Mad Hatter as our CEO and all of our players ate the "no talent" cookies. What a mess ! That is my prediction btw , we will play EL by not winning the coppa. Place your bets (IMG: style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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