1-1 FT

I think I'm done. I'm not gonna watch this team again until I see some concrete results. Can't take this atrocity any longer.

De Jong shouldn't see the field again for us. Absolutely horrible tackle from him, for such an experienced player to make a challenge like that is absolutely ridiculous. Abate in the 15 minutes he was captain showed more than Montolivo has shown the entire season. This is all indicative of a more serious problem, this team is just not up to par. We have pieces that seem to work well together but there is a distinct lack of quality.

The problem here is that the only way out of this hole is money. Players are not going to be coming to Milan for the prestige anymore and without the quality players we will not see Europe for a long while. Therefore we need a ton of money to bring those players in to get back into Europe to bring in more quality players.

The only way I can see around it is to bring in a coach that players want to play for, an Ancellotti, Capello, etc. You can see this same thing happening with Liverpool, for the past few years they haven't been able to bring in quality players, they get Klopp and boom they are a prime destination.

Only caught the last 20 minutes or so.

Just absolutely ashamed of this team, can't win against 2 of the worst teams in the league. Anyone who says this is because we're not good enough needs to seriously look deeper. Just inexcusable.

Miha is exactly the type of coach I feared he'd be, a mediocre one.

Any club who has big ambitions wouldn't have chosen him, that is what I was afraid of when the rumours about picking him first started and sadly I've been proven correct on that one. Just indefensible!

De Jong was terrible throughout the whole match, not just for that tackle. Worst performance I've ever seen from him. The penalty foul was the icing on the cake. After being out for such a long time, it was a mistake to play him from the start.

But regardless of individual performances, it's like Han said. Even if we're not good enough, even if we're sh*t, not winning against the worst two teams in the league is inexcusable. There is a huge psychological problem that goes beyond the quality of the players, although the quality of the players is what has gradually let to this psychological problem in the first place.

Unless we turn things around and start signing world class players and coaches that can change the mentality of this team, we're never going to escape from this circle of doom.

I'm out, for real. This is not Milan anymore. It's only a facade that the corrupt management of this club uses for their own agenda. AC Milan doesn't exist at this point in time. It has gone AWOL and we don't know when and if it will ever come back.

Agreed. Team quality is poor, but even what we have is (far) better than the last two teams we played. Miha has turned out to be yet another disappointment, but the root of the problem is still B&G.

FWIW, out of our last few coaches, Seedorf was the only one who (given enough time) might have gotten us somewhere. But even Seedorf was not the right person for this team. We need someone with experience, someone that players will respect. At this point, I would settle for Donadoni (he seems to have turned around Bologna fast enough, and the players there aren't any better than ours). Not the coach that will lead us to CL victory, but he should at least get us back to European competitions (which we desperately need).

Sadly, I have to agree. Still, at a personal level, I have been a Milan fan for over half a century, hard to stop supporting my team.

Han I completely agree that the coach is a problem, but recently we haven't been making the Upper echelon (Barca, Madrid, Bayern) type of team decisions. We need a real coach to build a real team, the past decisions we have been making in coaches has been along a mediocre pattern. Allegri, Seedorf, Inzaghi, and now Miha have all been disappointing options and yet I have hoped that the last 3 would catch like a spark in a similar way to Guardiola. I think the management in the decisions of Seedorf and Inzaghi had hoped one of the two would be a cheap way to grow a coach in the vein of Ancelotti. They both felt like cheap cop outs and easy ways to avoid spending money.

This year to me seems like another useless one, this team is going to struggle to get to the Europa league and even that without help in January seems like a long shot. We need a shot in the arm in January in the form of quality players.

Ancelotti's rejection this summer was the turning point. I am positive that if Carlo had accepted, not only we'd have a top class coach, but we would have attracted bigger names as well. And management would have pleased any of Carlo's requests. Instead, we went with another cheap option who was happy with signing the likes of Bertolacci and Kucka, and that didn't tackle the true problem in our midfield: a lack of quality.

I said right after the first couple of games that this was another lost season for us. Sure, the games against Lazio and Sampdoria fooled me, I thought we could make a turn for the best, but in the end we're still where we left last season. A mid-table team full of garbage.

I didn't miss much apparently ...

Most of us knew it. And you're right, Ancelotti was the turning point.

Anyway, why give up now? After 2 years of trash football, it kinda makes less sense to give up then stick around and wait for the change to come. Milan is still too big of a brand to just disappear in smoke. It's only a question of when we'll be picked up by someone and turned back where we belong.

And I'm just going to wait for that moment to come. What's the point in watching our games now anyway?

I don't know. There are so many answers to that question. Or versions of it.

It think Milan has an identity crisis. Money alone won't do the trick , and let's be honest , Milan never could compete with outgoing transfer sums with the likes of Barca , Real , ManUtd , ... But Milan had that winning DNA as we once all said . Relatively unknown players with immense talent combined with experienced top class players , an intellegent coach with a working plan and a management capable of producing a healthy balance between buying top players , producing talented youth and have scouts roaming the globe. I believe it was that what made Milan truly great. To be an absolute world class team with less "resources" than other team.

But then I remember those words from Uncle Fester that Milan cannot be that same club anymore and we must focus on youth alone. And I knew then , many years ago , that this would be Milan's downfall. After the last generation of world class players left like Nesta, Maldini , Gatusso , Pirlo , Seedorf , etc I knew we would come to this where we would end up with a pool of substandard players trapped in this surreal situation where the only thing that makes this club a topclub is it's history , that's it. We have a great history.

The future , even if we get funds from a new owner is "lost" in my oppinion. We lost that Milan DNA , that Milan Identity if I can call it that , when we let our old lions go and replaced them with players who are not cut out for a club like Milan. Suddenly players like Bonera became our new Nesta/Stam/Silva and we ended up with a puddle of , sorry for my languague , cr@p players/coaches/management.

There is nothing solid we can build a steady club on , our pilars are gone. I have been a Milan supporter since the Van Basten days , that's about 20 years now , and I really fear for the future of our club. I don't care about the money when it's our soul that we lost.

This post has been edited by Nova: Dec 14 2015, 10:52 AM

But we never really tried that, did we? Instead, we went for a bunch of seemingly random players.

(The rest, I agree with.)

I think those were mere hollow words by Fester as an excuse to justify the sad state of
the club. Even the once famous highly acclaimed Milanlab lost it's reliability.
Youth alone can never be a solution unless somehow you have a wonder teenage squad
at your disposal.

This post has been edited by Nova: Dec 14 2015, 03:03 PM