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post Jun 30 2015, 03:24 PM
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Apparently we're offering El Shaarawy to Roma for Romagnoli. /Mediaset
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post Jun 30 2015, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 30 2015, 02:24 PM) *
Apparently we're offering El Shaarawy to Roma for Romagnoli. /Mediaset


He only wants Juve. He doesn't want us because we're not in Europe. Non-starter. Even if Roma accept, he won't.
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post Jun 30 2015, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 30 2015, 02:22 PM) *
Alex is more injured than fit these days, I'd let him go.


Agree with both of you. Great defender but always injured. That said, he was also really badly mismanaged by Pippo, regardless of performance. Given a run who knows what he could be for us.
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post Jun 30 2015, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 30 2015, 03:24 PM) *
Apparently we're offering El Shaarawy to Roma for Romagnoli. /Mediaset

Don't think that's even plausible as a rumour.

@ Danny, offer him enough and he'd come imo, he's a young Italian CB. A little money incentive will go a long way with him.

It's not like he's coming from a CL team, he was at Samp last season for crying out loud. Players these days...
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post Jun 30 2015, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 30 2015, 02:13 PM) *
Bonera's contract is finished, he has to renew it to stay and Souma is saying that he will not be offered a renewal.

As for the players, if the contract is forcefully terminated by the club the player can't do much, think of Boateng at Shalke, they literally fired him


Boateng was reported as sacked - not a mutual consent termination. For it to be mutual the player has to consent. And Boateng got fired for unprofessionalism - AKA not giving a cr*p. He violated his contract, in effect, meaning the club could fire him without having to pay off his deal. Mutual consent is when the player agrees severance - a 'polite' firing, as Walter Smith once put it, which has a nice pay-off sum. Didn't know Bonera was expired, that deals with him at least. But I don't know who else is actually out of contract.

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I think the players will be given an ultimatum, either you accept the new club we find for you and go there, or we terminate (yes there has to be some form of pay off in these situations) and you find your new club on your own. Which is the way it has to be. These leeches have been riding the gravy train for far too long, it's high time the club puts its foot down and we cut these guys off. Maybe not completely for free, because their is the pay off you mentioned, but at the end of the day it will be cheaper than letting them stay on and paying their wages and taxes in full


And the club doesn't find a new club for the player, the agent does. The club just tells the player to accept the transfer or sit out their deal. Or come to a severance deal.

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Zaccardo ruined the Biabiany deal (who turned out to have heart problems)


Couldn't remember which one it was.

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I think the loan situations with players like Cerci-Torres will also be resolved this summer


Cerci was a disaster. But he's not our player. Hopefully we can unload him back to Atleti this summer.

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Not sure, it will be minimal, probably in around 2 to 3m. Milan channel only said it was close to being finalised. Those numbers are from a report I read from sky a few weeks ago. Imo we should pay THEM to take him, but 3m for Birsa is robbery. Take the money and run I say


I'd take 500K for him. Terrible player.

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I think he a good player, just needs a proper leader next to him, just like Zapata or he'll turn into a serious liability. Remember when these 2 were used next to each other? Oh the horror.

Still I'd hold out for 8 to 10m as there is more than just 1 club interested in him. Try to milk it out a bit. If push came to shove I'd hand him over for 6, but if there is a possibility that we could raise that a bit we should play it smart (which isn't something we're usually keen on doing - Galliani (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )


I'd take the 6 happily. He cost 4. 2M profit is acceptable.

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Imo, all of Zapata, Rami and Paletta should be let go. Add in Bonera leaving and Zaccardo getting offloaded somewhere, and this could be a great opportunity to really make some great changes in that defence.

Mediaset saying Roma want 20m for Ramagnioli. I'd offer them 15m see where it goes. This guy is talented, plus he spent last season with Miha so there is an element of familiarity there.


As I say, doesn't want to come to Milan without European football.

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Agreed, don't know what the point of it will be though. We already have Monto, Poli and Bona who are all of the same level as this guy, plus Bertolacci as well now. I don't get the point of bringing in so many subpar/mid-level mids while not having one of true top class quality. At the least we need that if we want to have a marginally successful season.


At least Bona, Poli and Berto will try. I'll say Baselli will too. Monto just sits there looking like he's better than all this, while playing like he doesn't care. Biggest fraud at Milan. I'd rather have the other four, given none of them are especially incredible.

And maybe add Witsel ? *fingers crossed*

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He's earning something like 2.5m here. Santos can't afford that, probably no club in Brazil can. Tbh, I'd keep him and sell the other 3 if we can. Alex is still a good player to have on the team


But not as a squad member. He's good enough to start - if he rotates he'll be patchy and inconsistent.

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19 year old, played for Parma before all their troubles and became a free agent by default due to their troubles. I think he's a very talented kid, but at this point right now, he's not going to be adding a lot to our midfield, he's a good addition for the future, but for the now, we still need 1 top quality mid.

Atm we have a midfield (taking into account the 3 new signings that will surely happen) of De Jong, Monto, Poli, Mauri, Bertolacci, Baselli, Bonaventura

Honda and Suso are considered attackers by the club, but they're mids imo, but let's not include them in the list to go with what the club sees them as. That makes it 7 mids, with Mihajlovic wanting 6 (according to Gazzetta)

I can only imagine that this will mean that at least 1 other mid (if not 2) will be sold/let go. This could be Poli imo. Which bring us back to 6. Which is worrying, as this could mean that no one that's really top quality will be coming

At least that looks a lot better than what we had last season. Baselli and Mauri both have the potential to turn into good players, especially Mauri, he's younger and has shown that he has potential.

Bertolacci is a good player, nothing special, but more of an AM imo


As I say, first rung. We can't get the best, so we have to get what we can. And find ourselves scaling slowly back up. Next season has to be fifth place as the target. If we are solidly in the top five throughout the season we MIGHT just be able to attract some decent quality come January, and if we secure Europa League, next summer we can build further with that carrot.

Keep on taking the baby steps because we're not buying Messi overnight.
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post Jun 30 2015, 04:24 PM
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Bonera, Mexes, Abbiati and Pazzini are out of contract. Essien was too, and joined Panathinaikos, whereas De Jong got a renewal.
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And no, Danny, we can't be aiming for 5th place if we're going to spend +100 million this summer. You don't pay such crazy money just to get an EL placing. It has to be 3rd spot at all cost. Though I'm pretty sure our management will soon be making statements about already winning the league. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Jun 30 2015, 06:04 PM
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Looks like we've started negotiations with Roma for Romagnoli, according to calciomercato.com. Roma want €30 million for him (SAY WHAT?!), we're willing to offer €18 million. A deal could be struck somewhere in-between. A new meeting is supposed to take place today.
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post Jun 30 2015, 07:21 PM
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How do you guys value Romagnoli? Apparently Mihajlović is the one pushing for him.
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I have no clue about how good he is.
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post Jun 30 2015, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 30 2015, 03:26 PM) *
And no, Danny, we can't be aiming for 5th place if we're going to spend +100 million this summer. You don't pay such crazy money just to get an EL placing. It has to be 3rd spot at all cost. Though I'm pretty sure our management will soon be making statements about already winning the league. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


I stand by my post. Fifth is the best we can manage. We could throw 500M and not make third. Why? Because great players don't want to come, no matter how much we spend. And spending 20M on decent but not world class players makes our team decent but not world class.

Look at Real - they can attract someone like Kroos for 24M. But we can't. We get a very decent striker like Bacca for 35M but he's never one of the best in the world.

Having the money is half the equation - being able to get the best players is the other. If we could attract the kind of players needed for third place we wouldn't have been f*cked over by guys like Alves, Martinez and Kondogbia.

What I am saying is I understand your logic, but the biggest wallet ever won't instantly give us UCL.

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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 30 2015, 06:21 PM) *
How do you guys value Romagnoli? Apparently Mihajlović is the one pushing for him.


Going by his Wiki, 30M is an astounding amount for them to want. But then, young players are the most expensive. Just look at Iturbe and Sterling.
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post Jun 30 2015, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 30 2015, 03:24 PM) *
Bonera, Mexes, Abbiati and Pazzini are out of contract. Essien was too, and joined Panathinaikos, whereas De Jong got a renewal.


Bonera has been reportedly released. Along with Abbiati, Pazzo, Muntari and Essien.

One outstanding job this window done at the very least of releasing a lot of dead wood.
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 30 2015, 07:55 PM) *
I stand by my post. Fifth is the best we can manage. We could throw 500M and not make third. Why? Because great players don't want to come, no matter how much we spend. And spending 20M on decent but not world class players makes our team decent but not world class.

Look at Real - they can attract someone like Kroos for 24M. But we can't. We get a very decent striker like Bacca for 35M but he's never one of the best in the world.

Having the money is half the equation - being able to get the best players is the other. If we could attract the kind of players needed for third place we wouldn't have been f*cked over by guys like Alves, Martinez and Kondogbia.

What I am saying is I understand your logic, but the biggest wallet ever won't instantly give us UCL.


There are two months left before the signing window closes. Let's not jump to conclusions yet. What if we end up signing Hummels, Witsel and Ibra? Then your argument becomes invalid.

And besides, you're saying we're not able to attract big names anymore, and used Jackson and Kondogbia as examples, but are those two big names to begin with? Is Jackson so much bigger than Bacca? What has Kondogbia achieved in his career to be considered a big? Plus he ended up signing for Inter, who are in the exact same waters as we are, i.e. failed season and no European cups. Alves is not a case because Barça ended up agreeing to his terms.

It's true that we're not in the same position we used to be a few years ago in terms of attracting important players, but what has transpired thus far doesn't constitute the basis for saying that we can't sign such players anymore. If we make the right offer, those players will eventually come, because money talks nowadays more than history, appeal and everything else football used to stand for.

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Bonera has been reportedly released. Along with Abbiati, Pazzo, Muntari and Essien.

One outstanding job this window done at the very least of releasing a lot of dead wood.


Where did you read that? I'm pretty sure we're keeping Abbiati for another season, or so I read.
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post Jun 30 2015, 08:36 PM
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Like I said, just because their contracts are finished doesn't mean they can't sign a new one with us

I think Abbiati and Mexes will renew.

Danny, I'll get back to you on that one as it's long and I'm in a rush (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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