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Jun 17 2015, 12:07 PM
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We should just sit and wait. Go step by step. No need to get into hyper-fatalistic mode yet.
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Jun 17 2015, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 17 2015, 11:34 AM) Without Ibra we'll have to rethink the entire strategy imo, we can't rely on him to create everything, so imo, 2 creative mids are a must or it's a bust for us next season. Once again.
Hopefully Kondogbia can be wrapped up ASAP as Arsenal are also interested. And I seriously don't want us to go for the Marseille duo (Imbula and Mendy). Imbula doesn't look anything special imo (let Inter take him) and Mendy is another Taiwo waiting to happen, only this time he wouldn't be free Mediaset say Ibra still wants to come and that things might stretch a while during the course of the summer. Also, Galliani apparently called Inter and told them we're not interested in Imbula and Mendy. QUOTE (nuh @ Jun 17 2015, 12:19 PM) do you guys have any idea whats going on with martinez? I just read that he again dinied coming here Haven't read anything about it. But maybe he just wants to focus on the Copa America for now.
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Jun 17 2015, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 17 2015, 12:29 PM) Mediaset say Ibra still wants to come and that things might stretch a while during the course of the summer.
Also, Galliani apparently called Inter and told them we're not interested in Imbula and Mendy. Yeah, I do believe that Ibra has his heart set on returning, which is what's keeping me hopeful that he'll be playing here next season. I just don't want this Ibra thing to eclipse the entire mercato and other areas to be forgotten. Let's hope that the Imbula/Mendy phone call rumour is right, neighter look all that good tbh and they'd cost a total of 28m if reports are to be believed QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 17 2015, 12:29 PM) Haven't read anything about it. But maybe he just wants to focus on the Copa America for now. If that were the case he'd have said "No comment", what he did was drum up even more speculation as had he confirmed the Milan thing that would be that and reporters wouldn't be pestering him about where he'll be playing next season every time. Don't know, but something about this entire thing does not sit well with me. And Martinez and his agent aren't doing anything to endear themselves with people, that's for sure. Kind of get the feeling he's reluctant to come but there are no other concrete offers that he can pick instead
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Jun 17 2015, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 17 2015, 10:45 PM) Mediaset says Dortmund want €35 million for Hummels and that's too much for us. Can't see him wanting to come anyway
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Jun 18 2015, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 18 2015, 08:06 AM) Of course you can't. And you can? A top defender in his prime wanting to come to a Milan who finished mid-table twice in a row, with no European football in sight? Really, you're that optimistic? And 35m now apparently is too much for one of the World's best defenders? When we supposedly had no trouble tabling that for a striker who's never played in a top league? Sorry, but there IS something not quite right with what's going on in our mercato atm, so forgive me for being sceptical for now. If we sign Martinez and Kondogbia this month I'll be the first to admit that I was being overly negative and suspicious of a management that has done some seriously terrible deals over the past decade that have lead us to where we are now.
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Jun 18 2015, 09:04 AM
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Updates on the status of some current players:
Destro will be going back to Roma De Jong is close to renewing his contract for 2 years Chievo want Birsa and are willing to pay 1.5m for him (we should give THEM money for taking him imo) SES could be sold or loaned to Genoa this summer, depending on who we buy
Expecting others like Pazzini, Cerci, Menez, Muntari, Zaccardo, Nocerino, Matri, Rami, Bocchetti and Bonera to be loaned/let go/sold/sent back to their clubs
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Jun 18 2015, 12:50 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 18 2015, 08:58 AM) And you can?
A top defender in his prime wanting to come to a Milan who finished mid-table twice in a row, with no European football in sight? Really, you're that optimistic?
And 35m now apparently is too much for one of the World's best defenders? When we supposedly had no trouble tabling that for a striker who's never played in a top league?
Sorry, but there IS something not quite right with what's going on in our mercato atm, so forgive me for being sceptical for now.
If we sign Martinez and Kondogbia this month I'll be the first to admit that I was being overly negative and suspicious of a management that has done some seriously terrible deals over the past decade that have lead us to where we are now. So, you're asking me why would a top defender want to sign for one of the most glorious clubs in football history, who have made it abundantly clear they want to heavily reinvest this summer in order to get back to the prime of European football? Gee, let me think about it... Yes, I am that optimistic. Things finally seem to have taken a turn for the best for us after numerous shambolic seasons. We have new owners, fresh funds and we're very active on the market, much more than any other team at the moment. Forgive me for trying to stay positive. And I don't understand what you mean by something not being quite right with our mercato. What do you expect, to sign 5-6 top players within the first week of June and call it a day? A good signing campaign needs caution and patience. There's two months and a half left for crying out loud! As Fillipo said, "there's no need to get into hyper-fatalistic mode just yet".
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Jun 18 2015, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 18 2015, 12:50 PM) So, you're asking me why would a top defender want to sign for one of the most glorious clubs in football history, who have made it abundantly clear they want to heavily reinvest this summer in order to get back to the prime of European football? Gee, let me think about it...
Yes, I am that optimistic. Things finally seem to have taken a turn for the best for us after numerous shambolic seasons. We have new owners, fresh funds and we're very active on the market, much more than any other team at the moment. Forgive me for trying to stay positive.
And I don't understand what you mean by something not being quite right with our mercato. What do you expect, to sign 5-6 top players within the first week of June and call it a day? A good signing campaign needs caution and patience. There's two months and a half left for crying out loud! As Fillipo said, "there's no need to get into hyper-fatalistic mode just yet". A club that has relied on that glorious history and nothing else for years and has been reduced to a mid-table side... Hummels will have offers from other glorious European sides as well as money clubs. Either of which are better options than Milan for most players. Like I said, it's not that I want to be overly negative and suspicious, but I cannot help it, until I see tangent proof that we are actually ambitious and ready to get back into it with a competitive squad, I'm not getting my hopes up. I've been let down enough times. So far, nothing has indicated this is the case for me. The Mihajlovic appointment shows where our ambitions lie. If we start the season with a competitive squad that's good enough to not only get into the top 3 easily but challenge Juve as well, watch this space for me doing a shame dance and admitting to being wrong. And once again, I don't think we're as active as you're saying. Juve have been active, not us. And that's not even taking clubs from other countries into account. And personally, I'm not expecting everything to happen in June, but if we're finally really serious about becoming successful again, then I do expect that most of our moves be made as early as possible in the window so they have time to integrate into the squad. And not as has been the case in the past where we make our most important signings in the last week of the window when we've already played a league game. When I say that something's not quite right it's as plain as that. The Martinez thing already stinks for me. There's something else going on there that we don't know about. Otherwise the player and his agent wouldn't have made those comments. Also, Milan channel is apparently saying that in Mihajlovic and B&G's meeting they agreed the formation would be a 4-3-1-2, yet we're only after 1 important mid, who isn't even a creative one, plus apparently Miha wants Soriano, who imo is mediocre at best. I think it's become the norm that in every window we bulk up the attacking department and neglect the other areas while signing a couple of cheap fixes. And if we're seriously playing a formation that is heavily reliant on having a creative midfield diamond, then that plan seriously sucks
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Jun 18 2015, 02:27 PM
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Han, I really think you should wait a bit. I think you create theories and thesis out of little more then just past experiences. And we're all Milan fans here, so we know how bad our management was or how many bad deals went trough. No need to repeat everything over and over again in advance. There will be time for it, plenty of time.
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Jun 18 2015, 02:28 PM
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But you see, you're being too quick to jump the gun. You're basing all your pessimism on past experience, and I would totally be with you if Bee hadn't acquired 49% of the club, and us already offering the job to Carlo and €35 million to Porto for Jackson, all whilst going for the likes of Ibra and Kondogbia in the meanwhile. These for me are signs that something is changing, but change is gradual, and we're only in the very beginning. This re-foundation process could take a couple of years, so we have to be patient. Milan Channel director Mauro Suma on the latest developments: - De Jong is very close to renewing.
- We're not interested in Boateng.
- The Kondogbia deal is of very high profile. The player costs a lot. Can't say whether Galliani will travel to Montecarlo these days, we'll have to wait and see.
- I don't want to add anything more about Jackson Martinez. The player is busy with the Copa America, and he's not a Milan player yet. We'll see afterwards when he undergoes the medicals.
- Negotiations about Ibra can get very unpredictable. Right now there aren't neither positive nor negative developments. In 2010, Milan didn't think Barça would have let him go in June, then things changed. The same might happen again with PSG this time around.
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Jun 18 2015, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 18 2015, 02:27 PM) Han, I really think you should wait a bit. I think you create theories and thesis out of little more then just past experiences. And we're all Milan fans here, so we know how bad our management was or how many bad deals went trough. No need to repeat everything over and over again in advance. There will be time for it, plenty of time. Maybe I am getting ahead of myself in my pessimism about all this, but I think it's better than to get overly excited and then let down. QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 18 2015, 02:28 PM) But you see, you're being too quick to jump the gun. You're basing all your pessimism on past experience, and I would totally be with you if Bee hadn't acquired 49% of the club, and us already offering the job to Carlo and €35 million to Porto for Jackson, all whilst going for the likes of Ibra and Kondogbia in the meanwhile. These for me are signs that something is changing, but change is gradual, and we're only in the very beginning. This re-foundation process could take a couple of years, so we have to be patient. Milan Channel director Mauro Suma on the latest developments: - De Jong is very close to renewing.
- We're not interested in Boateng.
- The Kondogbia deal is of very high profile. The player costs a lot. Can't say whether Galliani will travel to Montecarlo these days, we'll have to wait and see.
- I don't want to add anything more about Jackson Martinez. The player is busy with the Copa America, and he's not a Milan player yet. We'll see afterwards when he undergoes the medicals.
- Negotiations about Ibra can get very unpredictable. Right now there aren't neither positive nor negative developments. In 2010, Milan didn't think Barça would have let him go in June, then things changed. The same might happen again with PSG this time around.
Like I said, maybe I am jumping the gun, never said I wasn't or that my pessimism wasn't all that rational. It's not like there isn't a part of me that isn't excited for what might be. But at the moment that is a very small part as we have been burned before. And sure now there is the Bee money difference. But that money is being entrusted in the same hands that got us into this mess, and so far the "strategy" they're apparently going for doesn't give me much hope for a smart rebuild. I'm willing to wait it out at least until mid-July to come to any concrete conclusions, but if by then we're still talking about hypotheticals, I think it would be safe to assume that nothing's really changed all that much for us Thanks for the Milan channel updates. Not that Suma is all that reliable or in the know, but that's pretty much what's being said all around. Also, sky saying that Muntari could stay now that Pippo has left...
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