I really find it funny that some of you people are defending Pippo as thoroughly as this. May I ask, are some of you also ones who would have shoved Allegri down a pit of burning flames had the opportunity presented itself?

I think it's hypocritical to defend Pippo now, simply because he has a glorious history as a player with us, that doesn't mean he's infallible as a coach.

And no this isn't the same team that Allegri or even Seedorf had, there have been a LOT of changes over these last few years. The turnover in players we're seeing every summer and even in January is not something that we were accustomed to in the past

As x-off said, Pippo simply is not the right man for the job, not this one, maybe he can be a successful coach in the future, but coming to Milan at this dire moment was a mistake of epic proportions. We need someone capable of getting these players playing well, getting them fit (which they're very obviously not imo), unite them and also getting them to believe in his philosophy. And these players simply aren't any of those things.

Forget the quality of players. We all know they're far and away from what Milan quality is. But look at the results and the teams they've faced and lost points to. It just doesn't add up. Against Udine there was simply no passion, no hunger not even a basic want to try and do well, they were barely even bothering to run. Compare how we played to how Udine played, and this is a team who's also in terrible form this season.

Reading your last two posts it's clear that you ascribe to a top down patrimonial approach to work (at least as it relates to football) that I completely disagree with. The players absolutely have the right to make up their own mind about the quality of their manager. The contract they signed doesn't stipulate that they never have an opinion and simply mindlessly follow the instructions of their master the manager. The quality of your relationship with your boss has a huge effect on your professional and personal life. That relationship is taken into account when any player signs a contract. Furthermore, the employers have a duty to their players to put them in a position to succeed just as much as players have a duty to work hard for the shirt.

Pippo was an absolute legend as a player. No one here disputes that fact. He is simply an awful manager by any metric you care to use. Being a great player, even a CL winning one, doesn't mean a damn thing when it comes to guaranteeing you'll be a great manager. Pippo has utterly lost the locker room. This wasn't players bailing at the first sign of trouble either. We are most way through a season where Pippo has made zero progress and showed no signs of learning or improving. That isn't a "troubling sign" but damning evidence of his incompetence. The best managers are ones that get complete buy in from their players. Think about Mourinho or Simeone. They both get their players to work their *** off for them. That isn't because of their title as manager. That is a personal skill set as important as tactical knowledge and Pippo simply doesn't have it.

We all know that the team has been **** this year. Most of these players have put up much better performances elsewhere in their careers. Is it more likely that they all turned to feces once they signed on the dotted line for Milan or that they aren't being utilized properly and put in a position to succeed or thrive?

Sorry, but the locker room DID follow the coach till it became completely apparent he simply doesn't have a clue.

Legend as a player, but a disgusting manager and I'd actually be more worried if players didn't complain, and just week in week out picked up their wage without any objection to the trash from the manager.

By complaining, it shows they care. If they didn't care, they wouldn't have cared about his criticism, nor would they have responded.

While they have been terrible, the manager has too.

Both sides have to take responsibility, and at least the players actually are.

This manager, like Rangers' Ally McCoist who absolutely NEVER admitted errors on his part, will not concede anything, and passes the blame onto the players.

I respect a manager who can admit he gets something wrong, and tries to fix it.

Mourinho admitted he'd picked the wrong team (Newcastle away in 2013) and it hadn't worked, and he'd try to figure out where it went wrong.

But managers who just blame players and won't take any responsibilty at all are as unworthy to lead the team as the players are to wear the shirt.

Well, to be fair Danny, Pippo has taken responsibility nearly always this season. But I think that's actually bad. When a manager never blames the players, always tries to find excuses and positives in very negative things like Pippo has done continuously throughout this season, he's simply being a coward.

Mourinho always blamed the collective after a bad performance, that includes both him and the players. He wasn't afraid to admit that the team played badly. But Pippo just says that he takes full responsibility for the loss yada yada. That's diplomatic bullshit that makes no difference. And it just shows how green and incompetent as a manager he is.

This was the first time he actually accused the players, and look at the reaction he got. The players don't follow him, haven't been following him for a while. It's as clear as the day.

Most post-match blues I've seen from Pippo have been vague and frustrating rhetoric which didn't really aportion blame anywhere in particular. Diplomatic bullshit, as you say.

My example of criticism here was specifically in the dressing room where this supposed comment he's made has been greeted with the contempt it deserves.

However look at the Udinese shite:



That sounds to me like Pippo blaming the players solely.

Oddly enough he said 'if I could have made 10 subs at half time I would have' - and yet he only made one fucking sub at half time, Rami on for the injured Paletta.

He really is a bit of a nob.

Lets put it this way, the players can voice their opinion to their employer, but not disrespecting the coach,especially not after such a shameful performance.

Inzaghi, i believe, will be sacked at the end. A new manager will come in, then another manager and so on and so forth. But the ultimate decision lies with the management whether he stays or goes and not with a players opinion.

We can agree and we can disagree. None of that will affect Milan on the pitch, however a player disrespecting his coach in front of the team, this could arguably cause problems on the pitch.

Hence it is not their problem if the club sack Inzaghi and hire Ancelotti or hire Gattuso. At the end of the day they have to win on the pitch. Only the weak will retract and place the blame on the manager.

Wow, you really are just trolling. No manager on earth is to be criticised by any of their players ever?

I know it's invoking Godwin very early in a debate, but you're justifying following bad orders and giving unquestioning respect. Which reminds me of the cause of Godwin.



EL OH EL - because it's all going SO well as it IS!



As I said, De Jong took his share of the blame, and gave some to the manager too. That is fair to me.

Not to you, apparently.

Respect is earned and must be built mutually. It's not a one way street and it doesn't come by virtue of appoint from a team executive. Pippo hasn't shown that he respects himself let alone his players this season. I don't think we are going to close the gap in our opinions here. Seems like we just have a fundamentally different view of the world.

Wouldn't worry MB, most people's views of the world differ from R7!

Like I said above, the only reason some are still defending him is because he's Pippo, Imo he's just as indefensible as Allegri was and to make a distinction between the 2 is hypocrisy at its finest.

I understand why one would be reluctant to go hard on him, as was done with Allegri much more easily, I for one would never call Pippo the things I called Allegri, both here and in my head. But at some point you just have to admit that Pippo is in the wrong here. He's making things worse than they need to be and he should have had the decency and courage to resign months ago

This, pretty much. Resignation is not always an act of cowardice, but it can also be a virtue. Pippo is simply putting his job ahead of the team's success, a job that he's doing very, very badly.

The really unfortunate part is that he is burning bridges with a community that idolized him. Can any of you think about the 07 final and Pippo's goals without getting shivers down your spine? It was one of the greatest moments I've ever had as a fan of any team. The memory of a career of passion and excellence has been severely tarnished this season. If he had stepped down during the winter and frankly admitted that he wasn't ready yet then he might have been welcomed back as manager some day with open arms. Now if that is ever to happen he will need to make a massive turn around or disappear from fan consciousness for a period.

A diversity of opinions is a good thing to have in the world. I just don't want people with that opinion to be in control of this team haha.

This forum should really invest in a 'like' button.

Thanks man (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)