Away from home? You actually telling me Real would be equally as good without Modric, Bale and Ronaldo? Oh wait, without only Modric they were half the team they normally are. Take away his two buddies and they're nowhere near as strong.

Bayern are no different. People quick to forget they trashed Donetsk 7-0 on aggregrate but if you take away their three strongest creative players, OF COURSE they will be weaker.

I know there's been questions of Pep, and oddly enough I don't even like him OR Bayern, but you guys discredit Porto like you do Monaco. It's amazingly disrespectful and is the kind of small-mindedness which saw Milan rest on our laurels and teams like Monaco and Porto overtake us totally.



That's the game they play. Like Atletico.



Neither can Atletico. And they won La Liga with it.



Both Monaco and Porto were the underdogs in 2004.

Look what happened there.

This arrogance is why clubs like Bayern and Real struggle at times. A failure to realise that opposition have become a lot better. It's why Real just didn't see Atletico coming last season, and why Dortmund nearly won the CL in 2003.

Robben is the only player that makes a difference. All the others are on the same level. Whether it's Bastian or Alcantara, Goetze or Ribery, Lahm or Alaba. Bayern have an immense roster. But then again, if you look at the goals, it was all on stupid, stupid defensive mistakes. Bayern were the only ones who actually scored a constructive goal.

And I don't discredit Porto, but I rate Bayern much higher and I don't expect them to lose 3-1 in such an unfashionable manner.



Hey, anything can happen. Just because I rate Monaco the least doesn't mean they can't win the CL. I'm strictly speaking on paper here, and from what I've seen. You keep saying that we're dismissing Monaco and Porto, but in reality we're simply comparing them to the opposition. And both Bayern and Juve are undoubtedly superior teams, so why is it so wrong for us to favor them instead of the underdogs?

Porto have absolutely no clue what the f*ck is going on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

PSG are terrible in defence, every time Barca attack they create a chance. Shocking that it's still at 2-0

Yeah, Bayern are finished and Xabi Alonso is done...

Yeah, Bayern have too many injuries and we are discrediting Porto... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

You forgot Pep is a terrible manager (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I never said Pep is a terrible manager. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I was pretending you were Pippo (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

What's the point? We all knew he was going to pass through Porto. But Bayern showed weaknesses, and it's mainly because of Pep's tampering. That was and will be my point.

Hopefully Juve and Real pass tonight so we can have some nice semi-finals.

Yep

I'm partial to a Juve-Barca, Real-Bayern set of semis

And still you'll give Allegri no credit whatsoever (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

If he beats Barca or any of those other teams left over 2 legs I'll bow down to him, until then he hasn't really done anything new or different

Unlike when he was with us, the draws with Juve have been a lot luckier. Yet, he still barely scraped through the group stage and has had 2 of the easiest draws in the KO stages.

He has no chance v Barca, Bayern or Real.

But neither would Conte have had.