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Jun 7 2014, 08:12 AM
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I don't know, I think this group is pretty much unpredictable.
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Jun 7 2014, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 6 2014, 11:19 PM) He's arguably the best tactician around right now. Indeed, the only mistakes I saw him make were in the final. And I knew what he was trying to do, it just wasn't good enough. It's not just about the tactical mistakes in the final. How he behaved was absolutely disgusting imo. I really can't stand the guy QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 7 2014, 08:12 AM) I don't know, I think this group is pretty much unpredictable. What would be your predictions though Fillipo?
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Jun 7 2014, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 7 2014, 12:51 AM) Why are you even mentioning Zaccheroni? We're obviously talking about post-Calciopoli Inter here, when they grounded themselves as a local powerhouse. Before Mourinho took over they had two excellent seasons under Mancini. Granted, they failed in Europe, but so did Mourinho in his first season with them.
I'm not saying Mourinho's departure didn't have any effects on the team, but the players couldn't handle another season at extreme levels after giving their 110% in the prior one. In fact, that's why I think Mourinho left in the first place. He sniffed the inevitable deterioration and decided to leave as a winner.
Or maybe because the players didn't want Benitez? Yeah, remember those phone calls between Mourinho and the senators? Another aspect to take into consideration.
Klopp made it pretty clear that that season they were going to focus on the CL after coming from two consecutive league titles. So, that 30-point gap isn't such a shock.
And yes, this season they did struggle, but you yet fail to take into account the many, many injuries that plagued the team. Anyone who watches the Bundesliga can confirm this.
No, I don't think they do. Atletico's primary and only strength is the collective and discipline. They have very average players and play some boring and unattractive football, unlike Dortmund who have great players in every role and are a feast to watch. Plus Dortmund have been much more consistent than Atletico overall. ...so this proves me wrong? Ok...and breathe (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jun 7 2014, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 7 2014, 10:57 AM) Most opinion is conjecture. We base our views on our perceived facts, and use hyperbole, exaggeration, emotion and rhetoric to espouse them. Our opinions are caked in our own values - of course they're conjecture. Basic semantics (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Not if an opinion is based on verifiable data, though. That doesn't make it conjecture. But that's besides the point. You've disregarded my arguments as weak in the last two pages, even though I've perfectly explained my stance with all the necessary information in order to give it enough credibility. I never intended to prove you wrong, but it seemed to me that you didn't want to be proved wrong, which is different. Instead of acting like a wiseass, you could have simply argued back, or just agreed to disagree and move on.
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Jun 7 2014, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 7 2014, 10:51 AM) Not if an opinion is based on verifiable data, though. That doesn't make it conjecture. Yes it does. If I say I think Ronaldo is the world's best player, I've based it on what I believe are verified data. But it's still just my bloody opinion and Messi fans will disagree. QUOTE But that's besides the point.
You've disregarded my arguments as weak in the last two pages, One post. I dismissed one post. Stop over reacting! QUOTE even though I've perfectly explained my stance with all the necessary information in order to give it enough credibility. You didn't though, your response didn't make your case any stronger, it only showed the weaknesses in your argument. Saying that Inter lost 5-2 to Schalke or whoever didn't prove anything. It was pure conjecture. QUOTE I never intended to prove you wrong, but it seemed to me that you didn't want to be proved wrong, which is different. Instead of acting like a wiseass, you could have simply argued back, or just agreed to disagree and move on. Ah this forum needs its wiseasses (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (PS I did agree to disagree and move on, you're the one who wouldn't let it go because I called your opinion conjecture, wiseass (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) )
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Jun 7 2014, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 7 2014, 02:20 PM) Yes it does. If I say I think Ronaldo is the world's best player, I've based it on what I believe are verified data. But it's still just my bloody opinion and Messi fans will disagree. I'm not a native English speaker, but isn't conjecture "an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information"? If I say Seedorf will be fired because he didn’t have good relations with the players, that’s conjecture because we don’t know exactly what’s happened there except for a few rumors we’ve read. But if I say Milan is the most successful club in football history, I’m basing my opinion on facts, i.e history, trophies, players etc. This doesn’t mean my opinion is absolute, because we can’t say for sure what constitutes the basis for “most successful club in football history”, but nevertheless, depending on how you look at it, that doesn't make it wrong either. QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 7 2014, 02:20 PM) One post. I dismissed one post. Stop over reacting! It’s not about one specific comment, it’s about how you’ve been reacting to my posts in general. QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 7 2014, 02:20 PM) You didn't though, your response didn't make your case any stronger, it only showed the weaknesses in your argument. Saying that Inter lost 5-2 to Schalke or whoever didn't prove anything. It was pure conjecture. That was just one example! But then again, isn’t you saying Inter crumbled because they lost Mourinho conjecture as well? How does that make your argument stronger than mine? QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 7 2014, 02:20 PM) I did agree to disagree and move on, you're the one who wouldn't let it go because I called your opinion conjecture, wiseass (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Yes, after calling my arguments weak, and that I apparently ignore what you say when I reply to your posts. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Jun 7 2014, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 7 2014, 03:26 PM) I'm not a native English speaker, but isn't conjecture "an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information"? If I say Seedorf will be fired because he didn’t have good relations with the players, that’s conjecture because we don’t know exactly what’s happened there except for a few rumors we’ve read. But if I say Milan is the most successful club in football history, I’m basing my opinion on facts, i.e history, trophies, players etc. This doesn’t mean my opinion is absolute, because we can’t say for sure what constitutes the basis for “most successful club in football history”, but nevertheless, depending on how you look at it, that doesn't make it wrong either. If you say Milan is the most successful club in football history, it's a misleading statement. Domestic trophies wise it's Rangers, Europe-wise it's Milan. However, saying Rangers or Milan are the most succesfull club in football history, in those respective areas, is not an opinion any more than saying the sun is yellow. I accept you're not a native English speaker though, and this may account for some of the misunderstandings in this thread. QUOTE It’s not about one specific comment, it’s about how you’ve been reacting to my posts in general. You're seeing something which isn't there. We may have had an axe to grind once upon a time but I have not been deliberately 'reacting' to your posts in any incendiary way. If you can show me where you feel I have, this instance aside, I'll gladly try to reassure you I'm not dismissing you. QUOTE That was just one example! But then again, isn’t you saying Inter crumbled because they lost Mourinho conjecture as well? How does that make your argument stronger than mine? Yes, I explained that all opinion is conjecture. Including my own. But to ignore Mourinho's departure as a cause of Inter's decline from 2010 onwards just seems baseless. I mean you probably are right that these players weren't motivated. But that's because players will run through walls for Mourinho but give far less respect to Benitez. QUOTE Yes, after calling my arguments weak, and that I apparently ignore what you say when I reply to your posts. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) One post X, let's not go plural. And as I say, I'd rather we clarify where you feel I've offended you because I'm otherwise in the dark. I have no desire to fall out over misunderstandings. PS: calling someone's arguments weak is not an insult, it's an observation/opinion. Mine are not always watertight either. Nothing to be offended about.
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Jun 7 2014, 11:22 PM
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Currently watching the England friendly.
Have to say, not impressed. Some nice combos in attack between Lallana, Sturridge and Rooney. But some of the defending and back passing going on atm is shocking imo.
It seems like they're trying SO HARD to continually try to pass the ball around at a quick pace but they're mostly getting themselves in trouble
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Jun 8 2014, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 7 2014, 10:58 AM) What would be your predictions though Fillipo? My prediction? It's really hard. Obviously Costa Rica is the outsider, but you never know. England, Italy and Uruguay are all very unpredictable: good teams but all of them lack something. Uruguay is getting a bit old and predictable, I think their cohesion got lost as well. England and Italy have potential to become good or even make a surprise, but no true quality other then 3-4 max. players. So my prediction would be goal difference will decide between England and Uruguay about 2nd, first goes to Italy.
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