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post Apr 4 2013, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 4 2013, 01:11 AM) *
Have you really seen Niang play? Just wondering.

Barely.
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post Apr 4 2013, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 3 2013, 10:37 PM) *
Ah, han and X-O said all what I had in mind. Thanks for the spared time (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Agreed. Problem is that Allegri values muscle over creativity (we have seen it enough times). The unfortunate result is that we are building up a team of players that fit Allegri's style (especially in the midfield), so even assuming someone else would take over the coaching job next year that person would struggle. But, sadly, I believe we are going to be stuck with Allegri for at least one more year. And, as pointed out by Han, Allegri still thinks he is coaching Cagliari :-(
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post Apr 4 2013, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Apr 4 2013, 09:38 AM) *
Barely.

Then I don't see how you can defend his spot on the pitch. If you watch him carefully then you'd understand why he's not good enough to be starting ANY games, ESPECIALLY in the right wing position

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Agreed. Problem is that Allegri values muscle over creativity (we have seen it enough times). The unfortunate result is that we are building up a team of players that fit Allegri's style (especially in the midfield), so even assuming someone else would take over the coaching job next year that person would struggle. But, sadly, I believe we are going to be stuck with Allegri for at least one more year. And, as pointed out by Han, Allegri still thinks he is coaching Cagliari :-(

I don't know about the stuck with him for another year part. There are new rumours practically each day saying that he'll be out or that he's going to various different clubs next season. I don't think that they're coming from nowhere, there has to be a basis for these constant rumours. And Galliani denying them means nothing really.

Personally I think that if we want to make another positive step forward next season then we need to change coach, and that should be the first order of business. Secondly we need to remove a lot of the deadweight that's weighing us down, and that includes most of the deadbrained muscle players in that midfield such as Muntari and Traore. If Galliani persists with Allegri we'll stay where we currently are or worse take a step back.
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 4 2013, 07:28 PM) *
Then I don't see how you can defend his spot on the pitch. If you watch him carefully then you'd understand why he's not good enough to be starting ANY games, ESPECIALLY in the right wing position

I defend the decision Bojan being benched.
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post Apr 4 2013, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Apr 4 2013, 05:32 PM) *
I defend the decision Bojan being benched.

Are you serious with this???

So you want Bojan bench just for sh!ts and giggles, when he's always contributed when given decent playing time, even if benching him means playing the awful Niang!! Top class reasoning there (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Apr 4 2013, 05:48 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 4 2013, 07:40 PM) *
Are you serious with this???

So you want Bojan bench just for sh!ts and giggles, when he's always contributed when given decent playing time, even if benching him means playing the awful Niang!! Top class reasoning there (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I believe Bojan played not good enough to be in the first team, and I can't judge Niang at the moment.

Probably both should be benched. I think the El Shaarawy, Balotelli and Boateng on top thingy may be the way to go, but I haven't seen enough lately to be absolutely sure.
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post Apr 4 2013, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Apr 4 2013, 08:48 PM) *
I believe Bojan played not good enough to be in the first team, and I can't judge Niang at the moment.

Probably both should be benched. I think the El Shaarawy, Balotelli and Boateng on top thingy may be the way to go, but I haven't seen enough lately to be absolutely sure.


I don't think Bojan is bad, rather not good enough for Serie A. I weight this on his showing for Roma and us. The kid has tricks and is good on the ball, but never grabbed a chance at Roma or Milan. Yeah must be Allegri's short-sightedness.

Niang on the other hand is no Shevchenko, but an 18 yearold who has impressed enough to play ahead of Bojan. Not much room to debate, unless your not giving Allegri a break for stearing Milan's ship back to the top spots.
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 4 2013, 06:27 PM) *
I don't think Bojan is bad, rather not good enough for Serie A. I weight this on his showing for Roma and us. The kid has tricks and is good on the ball, but never grabbed a chance at Roma or Milan. Yeah must be Allegri's short-sightedness.

Niang on the other hand is no Shevchenko, but an 18 yearold who has impressed enough to play ahead of Bojan. Not much room to debate, unless your not giving Allegri a break for stearing Milan's ship back to the top spots.

Impressed enough to play ahead of Bojan? are you serious with this man?? What has Niang done aside for contributing with 1 assist in I don't know how many starts? And it's not like his overall play overshadows his lack of statistical luster as he does nothing but get in Abate's way and holds the ball aimlessy. It's just a ridiculous thing to say at this point when the stats posted by Filippo clearly show who is the better choice.

And yeah Bojan does not have the physical presence but he makes up for it with technical ability and pace, something we seriously lack in this team. But getting used toa more physical league then the one he's used to is something that takes a bit of time and that means actually getting to play games

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Like I said above, how can you say that you think Bojan didn't play good enough when his stats show otherwise and then insisting that dud like Niang take the spot instead

And imo Prince is absolutely wasted up there, we only see glimpses of what he can really do when he drops into deeper areas.
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post Apr 4 2013, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 4 2013, 08:27 PM) *
Niang on the other hand is no Shevchenko, but an 18 yearold who has impressed enough to play ahead of Bojan.


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QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 4 2013, 09:17 PM) *
And imo Prince is absolutely wasted up there, we only see glimpses of what he can really do when he drops into deeper areas.

He can do that from that position. El Shaarawy and Balotelli are natural forwards. Boateng will be needed in midfield.
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Apr 4 2013, 07:50 PM) *
He can do that from that position. El Shaarawy and Balotelli are natural forwards. Boateng will be needed in midfield.

The problem is Allegri plays a rigid 4-3-3 s Prince is pretty ristricted, which is why I said we only see glimpses
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post Apr 5 2013, 12:44 AM
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The kid is in his first season of Serie A. He plays the way the coach asks of him. If the coach says 'hey Niang, hold onto the ball more' that is exactly what he will do, otherwise he is asking to be subed. Common sense.

Problem is though, you can't please everybody. Allegri has many haters, which is understandable, as he is the man overseeing a 'complete' overhall of the squad. Don't let them naive people tell you otherwise, Milan is used to playing with a full fledged young/youth team as opposed to the experienced one, so no excuses for the first six months! Had it been MVB, Scolari, Capello, Alien we would be in the quarter final of the CL! And ofcoures 1st place with a difference of 10 points. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)

It is as if you pick a hate figure on the team and beat up on him. Gilardino for example, you claim lacked support from a team with Seedorf, Pirlo, Kaka, Shevchenko, cafu, Serginho, etc but Niang is not good enough because his teammates are along the lines of Montolivo, Nocerino, KPB, SES ... Double standards? Or Niang is just not good enough? Yeah he is shite, what do these people at Milan know .. They all went mad, jes? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Sorry R7, but I'm having a hard time trying to decipher your post. We diss Niang because we hate Allegri? Niang plays bad because Allegri asks him to play in a certain way?

Really, is it that difficult for you to accept the fact that many people around these parts have a very poor consideration for Niang? I mean, do you have to stick up for Allegri this much as to defend every single action, every single decision he makes? Can't you just for once admit that Allegri has been wrong in giving so much play-time to Niang whilst completely ignoring Bojan? Or is it simply that we're winning so screw every criticism! I just don't get it.
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post Apr 5 2013, 08:30 AM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 5 2013, 12:44 AM) *
The kid is in his first season of Serie A. He plays the way the coach asks of him. If the coach says 'hey Niang, hold onto the ball more' that is exactly what he will do, otherwise he is asking to be subed. Common sense.

Problem is though, you can't please everybody. Allegri has many haters, which is understandable, as he is the man overseeing a 'complete' overhall of the squad. Don't let them naive people tell you otherwise, Milan is used to playing with a full fledged young/youth team as opposed to the experienced one, so no excuses for the first six months! Had it been MVB, Scolari, Capello, Alien we would be in the quarter final of the CL! And ofcoures 1st place with a difference of 10 points. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)

It is as if you pick a hate figure on the team and beat up on him. Gilardino for example, you claim lacked support from a team with Seedorf, Pirlo, Kaka, Shevchenko, cafu, Serginho, etc but Niang is not good enough because his teammates are along the lines of Montolivo, Nocerino, KPB, SES ... Double standards? Or Niang is just not good enough? Yeah he is shite, what do these people at Milan know .. They all went mad, jes? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I seriously feel like scratching my head after reading this...

First off what does Gila have to do with anything? I defended Gila because I had high hopes for him. He'd proven himself in Serie A with Parma the season prior to the one we bought him and not to mention we spent some serious cash to get him, so forgive me for trying to give him a chance and hoping to see him succeed in our shirt. Add to that Gila was always an examplary figure both on and off the pitch.

So now Allegri is to blame because Niang is absolutely clueless on the ball FFS?? Makes no sense. Why would Allegri ask a WINGER to hold up the ball? I criticise him a lot but even I don't believe he's that stupid (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Maybe it's just the simple fact of Niang not being a good enough player/talent whatever you want to call him. Can't it be just that straightforward? We have to come up with reasons as to why he's so inept now??

And anyway, Allegri has benched him 3 games ago, obviously he's not shown him the usual cold shoulder he's shown to other players in the past as he's giving him the 5 minute sub he likes to make but he's obviously finally got it in his thick head that Niang is not good enough to play for us, especially in a position that requires certain abilities that Niang wouldn't posses even if he played football for the next 100 or so years (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Oh and I don't hate Allegri just for the simple reason of having someone to hate on so he's the easy target (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I don't like Allegri simply because he's an average coach, an average tactician and a highly mediocre man manager. He treats his job at Milan as if he's still coaching Cagliari and no matter what rebuilding process we're going through that will never be acceptable for a Milan fan and it shouldn't be to you either, especially you in fact who's all about the glory/classy/old gaurd etc etc etc

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 5 2013, 12:59 AM) *
Sorry R7, but I'm having a hard time trying to decipher your post. We diss Niang because we hate Allegri? Niang plays bad because Allegri asks him to play in a certain way?

Really, is it that difficult for you to accept the fact that many people around these parts have a very poor consideration for Niang? I mean, do you have to stick up for Allegri this much as to defend every single action, every single decision he makes? Can't you just for once admit that Allegri has been wrong in giving so much play-time to Niang whilst completely ignoring Bojan? Or is it simply that we're winning so screw every criticism! I just don't get it.

Exactly
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post Apr 5 2013, 11:20 AM
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Nah, to me it's simple like one, two, three: Niang is an average player at best and he has nothing to do with Milan.
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