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post Feb 11 2013, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 11 2013, 12:03 PM) *
Just like Filippo said blue, there are waaaaay too many "talented" kids who were at Milan that turned out into huge flops. Just because we're wasting time on him because Allegri likes his huffing and puffing up and down the wing des not mean anything.

He's yet to show anything special, ESPECIALLY on that wing where he's hindering us instead of cotributing.

I'm all for giving kids a chance and seeing them make it. But not like this. Not when CL football is on the like and by extension the club's future because we simply cannot afford to miss out on that money. Certainly NOT when there are better options on the bench FFS!!!

No one said buy Tevez, but when you have 2 options on the bench who can play on the wing (since this is the formation that Allegr has frced us int playing), then f@cking play them!


Exactly!


What makes you so certain he can't play the wing? A winger isn't necessarily someone who is fast can cross the ball. It all depends on the formation and the role.

For allegri's formation to work a lazy clown like robinho can't be played, because alot of the wingers have to track back to almost a fullback position. So in that essence niang is the perfect player for the formation and thats just one example.


Allegri's 433 isn't the standard 433 ur used to so stop thinking along that context. He's got his own style and is using it. So far its worked otherwise we wouldn't be sitting so close to third.
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post Feb 11 2013, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 11 2013, 05:03 PM) *
So what you saw yesterday was okay? Is that what you're saying?

I just don't get your constant support of this BS from Allegri.

In reality we've been playing like this ALL season long. We've won a couple recently through sheer luck at times and even a couple of gifts from the refs. We haven't played ONE single game throughout this season where we've shown any semblence of even cohesion in our play. Max said it best yesterday that our only strategy under this coach is to go out there and pass the ball about with the hope that it will find itslef at the back of the net through some freak accident. And now that we have Balo we're seeing what we used to see with Ibra, direct long balls and hoping

I didn't say play Boateng as the number 10. Boateng needs to be in that midfield 3, even if Allegri prefers the likes of Muntari or Ambro instead (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) When we're desperate Allegri still resorts to putting Bojan in the centre as a 10, I'm saying we should start like that, not wait until the 70th minute and we already have an uphill battle ahead of us before actually playing in a way that we actually work well in attack. Once Bojan and Prince came on yesterday we actually started to make inroads into the Cagliari box and Balo started to get chances in good areas because Abate was freed up to run into good areas to cross instead of running into Niang.

And what width do we have? Just because the formation looks wide on paper it does not mean we actually play with GOOD width. All we do is play the ball up from FB to L/RCM to L/RW and then try to put in a useless cross. SES is completely AWOL during the game, Balo is stranded and barely sees the ball, and Niang thinks that by crossing you should take off the recipient's head. What good is that "width" you speak of doing us. We play like absolute sh!t for 70 minutes, we change things when we're desperate, introduce Prince, Robinho and Boateng and suddenly we're playing well.

If we want to get technical, SS shouldn't be on the pitch as much as Niang in that 4-3-3. He's basically useless right now, teams have easily figured him out. He's not cutting in like he was at the start of the season and he's finding it hard to find open spaces in the center to run into and score like he was before


Just like Filippo said blue, there are waaaaay too many "talented" kids who were at Milan that turned out into huge flops. Just because we're wasting time on him because Allegri likes his huffing and puffing up and down the wing des not mean anything.

He's yet to show anything special, ESPECIALLY on that wing where he's hindering us instead of cotributing.

I'm all for giving kids a chance and seeing them make it. But not like this. Not when CL football is on the line and by extension the club's future because we simply cannot afford to miss out on that money. Certainly NOT when there are better options on the bench FFS!!!

No one said buy Tevez, but when you have 2 options on the bench who can play on the wing (since this is the formation that Allegri has frced us into playing), then f@cking play them!


I know, and look how well it worked out for Italy in midweek. I don't get why Prandelli suddenly thinks a 4-3-3 is a good idea when Italy have played their best stuff with a 4-3-1-2, especially in the big games during the Euros. SES and Balo should be a 2 upfront, if he persists with this then I can't see the point of playing SES when you have a talented winger like Insigne for example who could be played there instead


I'm sorry R7 but you're painting a picture which is just not how things actually are.

He DOES have better options on the bench, he had Prince and Nocerino who at the end of the day he still had to sub in because ONCE AGAIN his decisions put us in a situation where things were do or die.

The reason why we were in the mess we were at the start of the season? Losing 2 players? Or Allegri? Just ridiculous that you would try to insinuate that he had nothing to do with us languishing in the relegation zone for I don't know how many weeks and try to pin that on him losing 2 players.

And why doesn't he have the services of the likes of Pirlo FFS?? He DID NOT want him! He told the management that he had no plans for a player like Pirlo! Who in turn was thrown away like garbage as if we did not need him.

REMARKABLE???!!

Remarkable is the sheer level of stupidity Allegri displays on a weekly basis. Who COULDN'T see before the match even kicked off that we would struggle badly today? It's just f@cking unbelievable that you would even try to stick up for him


Exactly


Next Henry?

He doesn't even show an ounce of that kind of talent. If he turns out to be a half decent CF then I'd be happy because so far he doesn't show much more than that


Agreed


Exactly!

I'm not reading that!
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post Feb 11 2013, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Feb 11 2013, 06:07 PM) *
What makes you so certain he can't play the wing? A winger isn't necessarily someone who is fast can cross the ball. It all depends on the formation and the role.

For allegri's formation to work a lazy clown like robinho can't be played, because alot of the wingers have to track back to almost a fullback position. So in that essence niang is the perfect player for the formation and thats just one example.


Allegri's 433 isn't the standard 433 ur used to so stop thinking along that context. He's got his own style and is using it. So far its worked otherwise we wouldn't be sitting so close to third.

What style is this?

"The kick about style"

For once I agree with Silvio "Allegri doesn't know SH!T!"

Not your standard 4-3-3? I know what a winger is and what types of wingers there are, Niang does NOT fit in any category that could be called a winger. Just because he's being pushed to play there does not make him one!

The wingers have to track back so much because of our completely inept midfield setup, where even with THREE f@cking DMs we are still cut apart like no tomorrow by the likes of Cagliari. The thought of playing Barca actually makes me weep!

Perfect player for that position? YOU don't even know what type of 4-3-3 we're playing! I've seen a 4-3-3 being played by 3 out-and-out strikers in the past to GOOD effect. THIS is not the case. How can you not comprehend that?

I understand wanting to see Niang play because you think he's "special" but come on. Just watch us play a single game and you can see what mess we're in.

And how haave we gotten to nearly 3rd? The easiest run of fixtures out of all of our direct rivals, help from the refs and the luck we were missing at the start of the season. In reality nothing has changed from then, we're still basically playing like crap in each game.

And actually Allegri's 4-3-3 is the most standard one in the book! He plays a completely flat 4 at the back, a flat 3 in the center and a copletely flat 3 upfront which are spread wide. A flat wide 3 that does not contain a single player who has the necissary craft and/or vision to cut in and creat chances for himself and his CF. Simple as that!
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QUOTE (dst @ Feb 11 2013, 06:18 PM) *
I'm not reading that!

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post Feb 11 2013, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 11 2013, 07:03 PM) *
So what you saw yesterday was okay? Is that what you're saying?

Didn't see yesterdays game.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 11 2013, 07:03 PM) *
I just don't get your constant support of this BS from Allegri.

Where did I mention Allegri? You need to stop this obsession.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 11 2013, 07:03 PM) *
In reality we've been playing like this ALL season long.

We've played a crappy 4-2-3-1 with no wide players and 4-3-1-2 earlier in the season. Since we switched to basically a straight 4-3-3 and Niang playing wide we've been in good form.

So long as we keep winning and stop losing I don't care. We're in good form - amongst the best in all of Europe. Quit whining for the sake of it. Even when we won the league you complained, so why should I even take your opinion into consideration? Nothing Allegri does will be good enough, so whatever.

Don't bother replying.
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post Feb 11 2013, 07:55 PM
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+1 fully agreed Kurt.

Even if Allegri win the league this year there will still be critiscm. its never good enough.

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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 11 2013, 07:03 PM) *
Didn't see yesterdays game.


Where did I mention Allegri? You need to stop this obsession.


We've played a crappy 4-2-3-1 with no wide players and 4-3-1-2 earlier in the season. Since we switched to basically a straight 4-3-3 and Niang playing wide we've been in good form.

So long as we keep winning and stop losing I don't care. We're in good form - amongst the best in all of Europe. Quit whining for the sake of it. Even when we won the league you complained, so why should I even take your opinion into consideration? Nothing Allegri does will be good enough, so whatever.

Don't bother replying.

Then how can YOU even comment when you didn't see the game? It's just laughable. And since you're defending the system then you're defending the man behind it. Allegri is the problem so of course he's my main point of contention

We played more formations then that as well as the 4-3-3 during that time which did not work either. It's not the formation that changed us from losing to scraping wins against bottom league sides. Niang has started what? 3 games? How can that even justify your reasoning??

When did I complain when we won the league? Please make up a fake post to support THAT theory (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Don't bother reading if you don't want to hear an oppinion that's opposed to yours (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Feb 11 2013, 07:55 PM) *
+1 fully agreed Kurt.

Even if Allegri win the league this year there will still be critiscm. its never good enough.

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post Feb 11 2013, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Feb 11 2013, 07:57 PM) *
If you honestly think that then i'm sorry to say but your an idiot.


Getting a uefa pro liscence in its self is harder than completing a PhD at a top level university. Then lets not forget he's worked his way up from Serie C2 to where he is now. Again football isn't a charity, if your garbage your gone simple as that.

Not only has been successful with all of his teams, hes also won stuff what a surprise (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)



Serie C1 (1): 2007–08
Serie A (1): 2010–11
Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2011


Albo Panchina d'Oro (1): 2008–09 (Won when mourinho was at inter btw)
Serie A Coach of the Year (1): 2010–11



Someone "who your grandma knows more about football than" wouldn't have won coach of the year twice or are you saying that the italian league has a bunch of mediocre clueless coach that allegri is able to win it twice?


So, all the screw-ups we see from Allegri on a weekly basis don't really count because of those accomplishments? That's just ridiculous. I don't care if he's won the Panchina d'Oro, I don't care if he's a UEFA licensed coach. We've been putting up with this guy for almost 3 years now, and even a child can see what a mediocre piece of trash he really is. I mean, do you even watch our games?
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 11 2013, 08:25 PM) *
So, all the screw-ups we see from Allegri on a weekly basis don't really count because of those accomplishments? That's just ridiculous. I don't care if he's won the Panchina d'Oro, I don't care if he's a UEFA licensed coach. We've been putting up with this guy for almost 3 years now, and even a child can see what a mediocre piece of trash he really is. I mean, do you even watch our games?

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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 11 2013, 10:29 PM) *


I tell you man, some people are just too stubborn and narrow-minded. They defend what they believe in, not what what they see with their own eyes.
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post Feb 11 2013, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 11 2013, 02:25 PM) *
So, all the screw-ups we see from Allegri on a weekly basis don't really count because of those accomplishments? That's just ridiculous. I don't care if he's won the Panchina d'Oro, I don't care if he's a UEFA licensed coach. We've been putting up with this guy for almost 3 years now, and even a child can see what a mediocre piece of trash he really is. I mean, do you even watch our games?

Yes I do but your ignoring so many fundantal variables its not even funny. You don't even know what goes on behind the scenes. Why decisions are made etc.

You dont' know if someone isn't mentally ready or has an injured the club aren't sharing or is just showing a lack of concentration.


Don't think Allegri makes decisions out of blindness. This is milan ffs not your amature beer league. You really think he sends in the line up before checking with tassotti and others and getting feedback? Don't be foolish.

The calibre of a UEFA Pro coach is unlike anything most people have witnessed. If you have a conversation with one of them you'll understand that they are not only knowledgable about the game they are the masters of teh game.

Furthermore,

You can't single out a coach and say its fault, if your going to attack someone you have attack the organization as a whole. Tassotti and others play a major role in how our squad does not just allegri.

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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Feb 11 2013, 10:54 PM) *
Yes I do but your ignoring so many fundantal variables its not even funny. You don't even know what goes on behind the scenes. Why decisions are made etc.

You dont' know if someone isn't mentally ready or has an injured the club aren't sharing or is just showing a lack of concentration.


Don't think Allegri makes decisions out of blindness. This is milan ffs not your amature beer league. You really think he sends in the line up before checking with tassotti and others and getting feedback? Don't be foolish.

The calibre of a UEFA Pro coach is unlike anything most people have witnessed. If you have a conversation with one of them you'll understand that they are not only knowledgable about the game they are the masters of teh game.

Furthermore,

You can't single out a coach and say its fault, if your going to attack someone you have attack the organization as a whole. Tassotti and others play a major role in how our squad does not just allegri.


You can't be serious. What happens behind the scenes? He's the coach, he takes the responsibility. What reason did he have yesterday for playing Flamini-Ambro-Muntari in midfield and benching Boateng and Nocerino? What reason does he have for playing Niang on the wing? Why does Bojan always get the cold treatment? Why was Zapata completely ignored in the first half of the season? And these are just a few things on top of my head. The guy has messed up tactics and line-ups on so many occasions it's laughable at this point. Don't try to tell me that Allegri doesn't have the main saying in what formation he plays and what players he fields, cause it's ridiculous.

And one more thing: he can go and shove his UEFA license up his @ss for all I care. Master of the game? Huauhuauhuau... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Feb 11 2013, 08:54 PM) *
Yes I do but your ignoring so many fundantal variables its not even funny. You don't even know what goes on behind the scenes. Why decisions are made etc.

You dont' know if someone isn't mentally ready or has an injured the club aren't sharing or is just showing a lack of concentration.


Don't think Allegri makes decisions out of blindness. This is milan ffs not your amature beer league. You really think he sends in the line up before checking with tassotti and others and getting feedback? Don't be foolish.

The calibre of a UEFA Pro coach is unlike anything most people have witnessed. If you have a conversation with one of them you'll understand that they are not only knowledgable about the game they are the masters of teh game.

Furthermore,

You can't single out a coach and say its fault, if your going to attack someone you have attack the organization as a whole. Tassotti and others play a major role in how our squad does not just allegri.

I'm sorry blue, but you're seeing things in a way that is just not realistic.

I have a BSc in Computer Networking, does that mean that I'm fit to run the servers at Google for example? Because essentially this is what the situation is. Schooling can only take you so far. and if you cannot understand that then I don't know why we're even argueing this point here. You can hang all of Allegri's certifications in front of my face, but at the end of the day, he is just not fit to run a club of Milan's calibre. End of! This has been evident from day one at the club. His small minded mentality has even drifted onto our players, and the ones who did not see to his narrow minded vision were shipped out simply because Galliani has backed him because he was the one who appointed him while Silvio has had his mind wrapped up around corruption, jail sentences, elections, Italian government and most importantly underaged girls.

The man is just not good enough for the job, simple as. Tasso is the assistant but at the end of the day whatever Allegri decides is final, because HE is the head coach. You really think that Tasso would contradict his final decisions on line-up, training drills, etc? The head coach is the final say, and you before anyone else should know this. The staff around you is there for cunsultancy purposes, not to make decisions.

Players are not concentrated/injured/whatever excuse you want to make for him? Then how come when he has his back to the wall he's always forced to go back on his initial decison and is forced to put on the better players that he initially left out?

How can you explain the total lack of tactical discipline this team shows in every game we've played this season if you think he's such a genius tactician? How can you even look at a simple line-up before the start of a game anf think that those choices are correct simply because of a certification he holds?
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You can't be serious. What happens behind the scenes? He's the coach, he takes the responsibility. What reason did he have yesterday for playing Flamini-Ambro-Muntari in midfield and benching Boateng and Nocerino? What reason does he have for playing Niang on the wing? Why does Bojan always get the cold treatment? Why was Zapata completely ignored in the first half of the season? And these are just a few things on top of my head. The guy has messed up tactics and line-ups on so many occasions it's laughable at this point. Don't try to tell me that Allegri doesn't have the main saying in what formation he plays and what players he fields, cause it's ridiculous.

And one more thing: he can go and shove his UEFA license up his @ss for all I care. Master of the game? Huauhuauhuau... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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Ok this is where I stop. You don't get how it works so i'm not gonna continue arguing with you further. If you want to continue believing that all decisions are made because allegri is a simple idiot and doesn't understand anything than go ahead and believe that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Go attend a coaching course and maybe you'll get enlightened a bit.

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This is a Kurt inspired post you are about to read @X-Off @han;

We played 24 out of 38 games in this championship.
( LWLLWDLLWDWLDWWWWLWDWWWD )

ie ( L 24% D 21% W 50% ).

24 games, if we divide them into two halves and , as follows:
- 1st 12 games this season: L (6) D (2) W (4).
- 2nd 12 games this season: L (1) D (3) W (8).

Factual.


I am not pro Allegri, nor against him, if after loosing a wealth of experience and balance from our trusty senators and two very strong players ... I'd say Allegri did a fine job if we split his assessment in two halves, as depicted above, with only 1 loss and 3 draws and 8 wins. That is an improvement to the first 12 games. Hence, my point, an observation.
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