De Sanctis is far better than the keepers we have. Not just better.

Campagnaro and Cannavaro are not average, they're very good CBs. Aronica is also not average, he's terrible, though they have Gamberini now who's better than decent. We have have Mexes, Zapata and Abate who're severely overrated, particularly Abate, but I wouldn't say their defense is better even though their backups are somewhat 'solid, but not good' rather than the **** ups we have.

Inler, Maggio and Hamsik would walk into our team. They are superior to the likes of Boateng, Nocerino, De Jong. The only midfielder of that quality we have in Montolivo.

Cavani is in a different universe to the strikers we have, if he scored less than all of our strikers combined it'd be a disappointing season for him. I think Pandev is overrated though and I haven't seen enough of Insigne/Vargas to really be able to say much about them.

People often overrate their own players, so this doesn't surprise me. We are not a top 3 squad.

The irony of this that makes me smile is that these are the same players that people complain about all match thread and yet apparently they're amongst the elite in the league at their position.. yeah right. Agree, disagree, I don't care. I won't be drawn on the topic after this.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Dec 14 2012, 07:39 AM

You always say this, yet this must be the third time you've had this discussion. Are you my girlfriend in disguise? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Honey, all this nonsense these people say about my womanising and drinking are lies okay?

Well remove Ibra and Silva from our team and look where we are (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

It's not rocket science, Napoli have regressed this season by just losing Lavezzi and imo he wasn't the best one out of their "magical" trio. This is the reality. And I love how you cut out the part where I admitted that on the pitch they are ahead of us simply because they're a much more cohesive unit then us. THEIR coach has a very specific style, they know what their tactical gameplan is, they know their roles on the pitch. Compare that to us and the answer is slapping you across the face.They're far from better than us all over the pitch, you tell US we're overrating our players?? Then what are you doing with this? Trying to make yourself feel better so your arguments about Allegri are more relevant?


Totally 100% correct!


Agreed


Are you serious with this??

De Sanctis can be the biggest screw up on his day and when he's good he's not a goal keeper that can pull off the amazing saves like Abbiati. Both can screw up majorly but Abbiati has a knack for the spectacular at times. We have Amelia as well who's average but he's stable and reliable and rarely f@cks up as badly as Abbiati or De Sanctis can.

Cannavaro, Campagnaro, Aronica? They're all mediocre, you don't have to look far to see this. When up against the better sides they're terribly exposed. Mexes, Zapata, hell even Yepes and Bonera are more reliable than these 3.

Maggio would never get into this team, he's a wingback but a terrible RB. Abate trumps on hm every day, even DS is a better RB than he is. Case in point Italy at the Euros. Prandelli started with him because of the 3-man defence system Italy started the tournament with, but once Italy switched to a 4 at the back Maggio was horribly exposed and Abate walked right in and he was incredibly missed in the final after he got injured against you lot. Hamsik would walk right in and I conceed this. Inler is at the same level as De Jong and Nocerino, he'd be a nice addition but to say he'd walk right in is falling into the trap you're accusing us of falling into.

Yes, Cavani is in another universe and no one ever denied this

Notice that aside from a select few players such as Urby, Robinho and Acerbi people don't lament the player per se, but more the way he's being utilised, which brings this argument back full circle to your main man!

Sure people complained about Boateng and Nocerino at the start but they're showing their quality now as their form is getting back to the levels expected of them. You say these guys are mediocre yet you're saying guys like Zuniga, Maggio, Campagnaro, etc are all really good players... Talk about building up an argument!!

Yeah. I agree.

These (Napoli) players look so good, because they're being played to their strengths. But in our defence, we basically had the carpet pulled from beneath our feet and then had to make do with quite a few squad members.

I think, in a couple of years we too shall have a more cohesive unit. Yes, this does mean I'm supporting Allegri. Let's face it...the days when Milan played 3 number 10s and a Shevchenko are over. No team has the balls to do that, well except Barca and maybe Bayern.

More like wanting him hung drawn and quartered (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Poor sod. He was lost in a system which didn't play to his strengths and team mates who lacked confidence.

Now it seems we've found a niche for him and his colleagues are a lot happier.

Bar that messy loss to Zenit our form in the past while has been a vast improvement.

And the whining about Boateng has all but disappeared (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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Think what you want.

Apparently De Sanctis is a great keeper (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Inler is a top class CM which is far better than the mediocre Nocerino and Boateng. And lol, Zuniga is also a great player...

My my my

@ dru. I said that to kurt because he's saying that we overrate all of our players while he's saying that Inler would basically walk into this team where the central midfield 3 are Monto, De Jong and Nocerino. Which I find ridiculous as if THAT is not exxageratng then I don't know what is.

Inler is a good Serie A player, but nothing amazing. It's not like we're talking about someone like Vidal or Marchisio here. Now 1 of those would walk right in instead of either Boateng or Nocerino, but not Inler FFS!

You are doing exactly what I say you do 1) overrated own players (Inler is better than De Jong and Nocerino, I did say he isn't better than Montolivo) and 2) making things up (I never mentioned Zuniga, in fact I thinkk he's poor).

Gotcha (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Overall I agree with the sentiment. Our squad is good enough to make 4-6th place. if $h!tlegri fails to get us there then he's absolutely useless

Well it seems like all of us then are making things up and seeing things differently because it looks like the majority feel the same way that I do.

Have you considered that it might be the other way around and you're overrating other teams' players while underrating ours? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Huh? How many other people have claimed I said a player is great when in fact I said nothing of the sort, with my opinion actually being that he is poor?

Otherwise it's subjective and Inler to me is far better than De Jong and better than Noce/Boateng and he has been for a while.

But hey, I'm talking to someone who thinks Yepes/Bonera are better than Cannavaro/Campagnaro, so whatever. I think we're 4th-6th type squad, not 1st-3rd. I'm not debating it anymore, neither will change what we think.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Dec 14 2012, 09:11 PM

Never said anything about a particular player, but about the general notion that you presented about Napoli being far better than us EVEN on paper. Which everyone aside from you seems to think is far from the case.

You've underrated De Jong and Boateng forever now yet you think the sun shines out of Pazzini's @ss. Yes these things are subjective and an oppinion can never be wrong, if your oppinion is that the sky is hot pink than that is your oppinion and I can't tell you that you're wrong. And if you think that a player like Inler is far superior to Prince/Nocerino/De Jong than good for you, I think that's far from the case and I feel many others would agree with me. Once again, you tell me I massively overrate our players yet you come out saying that Inler is a far better player...

As for Yepes and Bonera it was a tongue in cheek statement considering we were just debating Yepes yesterday and you were all in for him being our STARTER. But do I think that Cannavaro is a far superior player to Yepes? F@ck NO! Cannavaro can make a doosie as much as Yepes, I've seen enough of those in these last few seasons.

Also, don't say you're not debating this anymore as if you're right and I'm wrong and that's that. This debate started because you make every other team seem like they're the second coming compared to the leftover scraps poor old Allegri was left to deal with. Ridiculous!

And one other thing. I never said we are a 1st to 3rd position squad! I said a million times now I think that 1st and 2nd are completely out of reach, and based on squad quality those positions are occupied by Juve and Inter respectively. However I do firmly believe and EXPECT, like the majority did here at the start of the season that we'll be in 3rd, and if not 3rd then we'll come in a close 4th after a hard faught season. We were languishing near the bottom of the table at one point did anyone see the uttely miserable start to the season we were going to have coming?? No! Because yes we suffered a huge loss this summer but the sheer abysmal quality of our play was simply not expected, and that is what held us back not the quality of the squad.

Hence back to Allegri!

Not sure how often I have to repeat things to you, clearly you aren't going to get it. So yeah, whatever.

Well, your opinion is wrong... It's spelled with only one 'p'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)