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Fillipo Simone
post Nov 22 2012, 01:27 AM
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Hmh. This could be bad, but Pato should just hold on and wait. First, he should regain his form, then act if Allegri will still give him the cold treatment - or even coach Milan.
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post Nov 22 2012, 04:44 AM
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I think Pato has very little room to complain. His form over the past 18 months has been dreadful and he's been injured more often than not. If Max were to throw him into the team at every opportunity, he would keep getting injured. Even today when he came on as a sub he didn't like fine come the final whistle.
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post Nov 22 2012, 05:18 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 22 2012, 12:44 PM) *
I think Pato has very little room to complain. His form over the past 18 months has been dreadful and he's been injured more often than not. If Max were to throw him into the team at every opportunity, he would keep getting injured. Even today when he came on as a sub he didn't like fine come the final whistle.


+1

While I'm sad at this situation with Pato, it is not entirely Allegri's fault. El Sharaawy is untouchable at the moment, and people have been critisizing Allegri for not playing Bojan more often, that leaves the right forward position which I don't think Pato will do well there.
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post Nov 22 2012, 05:42 AM
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QUOTE (amancik @ Nov 22 2012, 07:18 AM) *
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While I'm sad at this situation with Pato, it is not entirely Allegri's fault. El Sharaawy is untouchable at the moment, and people have been critisizing Allegri for not playing Bojan more often, that leaves the right forward position which I don't think Pato will do well there.


Bojan could easily play on the right and Pato as CF. But anyway, I agree with Kurt, not to mention that Pato in those games he's played so far has been quite dreadful.
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post Nov 22 2012, 05:56 AM
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Should Bojan get time ahead of Pato IF Pato is fit and ready to play though? There's not really any chance Bojan is around more than this season anyways...if Pato gets back to form we will want to lock him up for a few more years.
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post Nov 22 2012, 06:03 AM
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I think X-Off was right when he said our biggest mistake recently was not letting Pato go last January. His stock is at an all-time low at the moment so I don't see us getting the 35m or whatever it was that PSG offered. What's worse now is that if he does want out, it makes our bargaining position even worse.

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post Nov 22 2012, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE (servbot @ Nov 22 2012, 01:56 AM) *
Should Bojan get time ahead of Pato IF Pato is fit and ready to play though? There's not really any chance Bojan is around more than this season anyways...if Pato gets back to form we will want to lock him up for a few more years.


Don't we have full ownership of Bojan now? I thought I read that recently. Could be wrong. Either way, Pato is definitely not fully fit so for now it is a moot point.
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post Nov 22 2012, 10:19 AM
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We don't have full ownership on Bojan. We will need to pay 12 million to buy him from Barca, but Barca do keep first option to refuse and then take him back. 'Officially' he is on loan to us from Barca for a 'fee'.

Pato does not deserve to start. But his gripe might be with the second class treatment. Saying Pato would start and then benching him smacks of either indecision or a lack of transparency. Both are huge negatives for a manager of a top team.
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post Nov 22 2012, 10:32 AM
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^^ Exactly. and this was an away game, I can't see him starting the next game at San Siro either.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 22 2012, 09:14 AM) *
I think Pato has very little room to complain. His form over the past 18 months has been dreadful and he's been injured more often than not. If Max were to throw him into the team at every opportunity, he would keep getting injured. Even today when he came on as a sub he didn't like fine come the final whistle.


He was injured all the time. now that it "seems" injuries are behind him, it's Max's turn to make things hard for him. he was never going to rediscover his form after 2 years of injuries with 5 games. it takes a while and if the coach doesn't put his trust in him, he will never get there. and unfortunately Allegri doesn't seem to know how it's done at all. as Jack said his pre-game words on Pato and his team selection and actions during the game says it all.
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post Nov 22 2012, 11:37 AM
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TBH my gut feeling is that $#!t£€gr! never liked the kid. Even in our first year when iBra-Robinho was his decided striking partnership, Pato had to live off the dregs in terms of playing time.

Benching him all game and choosing Niang over him, no disrespect to the kid, is downright insulting. So is the immediate benching for missing a penalty. So is the declaration that this was to be his game then afterthought substitution. Pato is no saint and has his own culpability. But to suffer 3 years under this n00b charlatan is too much for most.

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post Nov 22 2012, 01:42 PM
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Pato and Allegri have a history between them so should this really surpise anyone?

And how could you justify Allegri not playing him because he was out of form when Allegri has insisted on playing the likes of Urby, Bonera, etc when they've been playing like sh!t as well? And how do you expect Pato to get back into form after nearly a year out when he's not playing regularly?

The debate about Bojan is simple. Play Bojan wide (where he is 100% more effective) and play Pato in his natural position which is as a striker. Allegri has done countless things to accomodate the likes of Urby and Boateng to play in attack when they're not even fit for those positions. It's just ridiculous to try to justify Allegri's decisions a this point no matter how out of shape Pato still is (which is understandable considering his injuries)

For those who are ok with this, think of all the other good players Allegri alienated over the span of his stay at Milan and ask yourself was it worth it to lose these players over this mediocre mid-table coach who won't bother to pull his head out of his @ss to do what's best for the team and instead is more interested in stroking his own ego by discarding the stars in this team?
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post Nov 22 2012, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 22 2012, 09:42 AM) *
Pato and Allegri have a history between them so should this really surpise anyone?

And how could you justify Allegri not playing him because he was out of form when Allegri has insisted on playing the likes of Urby, Bonera, etc when they've been playing like sh!t as well? And how do you expect Pato to get back into form after nearly a year out when he's not playing regularly?

The debate about Bojan is simple. Play Bojan wide (where he is 100% more effective) and play Pato in his natural position which is as a striker. Allegri has done countless things to accomodate the likes of Urby and Boateng to play in attack when they're not even fit for those positions. It's just ridiculous to try to justify Allegri's decisions a this point no matter how out of shape Pato still is (which is understandable considering his injuries)

For those who are ok with this, think of all the other good players Allegri alienated over the span of his stay at Milan and ask yourself was it worth it to lose these players over this mediocre mid-table coach who won't bother to pull his head out of his @ss to do what's best for the team and instead is more interested in stroking his own ego by discarding the stars in this team?


Exactly!!!!!

If $h!tlegri was consistent in any form or fashion then he'd actually be in the right here but he can't say $h!t

If he was such a disciplinarian, he'd have benched iBra when he missed the crucual penalty or when he started acting up. Instead he put up with EVERYTHING iBra did because iBra was actually keeping him employed

If he was in the slightest way fair he'd have benched Prince a looong time ago when he was utter and complete sh!t to send a message to him that he needs to shape up....same for Bonera....same for...Urby etc.

Certain players have gotten a lot of patience, assistance etc and the MINUTE something happens with the other players....they get tossed to the wolves.

in Pato complained about Allegri not being clear on what he wanted from him nearly two years ago. I don't think anyone knows the answer to that question
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post Nov 22 2012, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE (drucurl @ Nov 22 2012, 08:53 PM) *
If he was such a disciplinarian, he'd have benched iBra when he missed the crucual penalty or when he started acting up. Instead he put up with EVERYTHING iBra did because iBra was actually keeping him employed

I see your appreciation of Ibrahimović has gone up a fair few notches. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Maybe after he left, or maybe after the wonder goal he scored, or maybe you got the confirmation like all others here that he (along with Silva) was the one carrying the club the last two years before he left.

Regardless, I like it. Loud-mouthed mercenary or not, Zlatan is still a once-in-a-lifetime players!
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post Nov 22 2012, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 22 2012, 12:31 PM) *
I see your appreciation of Ibrahimović has gone up a fair few notches. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Maybe after he left, or maybe after the wonder goal he scored, or maybe you got the confirmation like all others here that he (along with Silva) was the one carrying the club the last two years before he left.

Regardless, I like it. Loud-mouthed mercenary or not, Zlatan is still a once-in-a-lifetime players!

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QUOTE (drucurl @ Nov 22 2012, 09:54 PM) *
the enemy of my enemy is my friend

Well put. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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