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Oct 1 2012, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 1 2012, 06:42 PM)  I don't know. What's the point? It's not that Pazzini is that useless. It's just that we gotta learn play his strengths, not his shortcomings. What are Pazzini's strengths exactly? He's a run-of-the-mill Serie A poacher. Great at mid-table teams, blends in as a squad player in top sides. Cassano could have been dealth with easily. And after all, what player does not want to play football at the end of the day? The case of how City handled Tevez should be used as a guide of how to handle these idiot players who think they're bigger than the club they play for
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Oct 1 2012, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 1 2012, 09:36 PM)  What are Pazzini's strengths exactly?
He's a run-of-the-mill Serie A poacher. Great at mid-table teams, blends in as a squad player in top sides.
Cassano could have been dealth with easily. And after all, what player does not want to play football at the end of the day? The case of how City handled Tevez should be used as a guide of how to handle these idiot players who think they're bigger than the club they play for He's a good finisher, he could have a role like Pippo in the Pippo-Sheva combination if we just would have a more creative build-up in the midfield. Dealt easily? How do you know that? Cassano is a nut case, he's harder then Tevez. We really can't say what would be if...I really don't see any point in keeping him other then playing the big boss.
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Oct 1 2012, 10:53 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 1 2012, 10:14 PM)  It's difficult to compare with City since he was on a £250k a week contract! It's not like Cassano was putting in a voluntary shift at Milan (IMG: style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) all that money yet he still refused to get on the pitch when his coach asked him to and he still flew to Argentina when his heart desired. City were paying him all that cash yet they still played hardball with us in January and decided to keep him while he still was AWOL and they were paying his massive sums. They had no gaurantees that he'd get his act together yet they still didn't give him what he wanted.
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Oct 2 2012, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 2 2012, 01:19 AM)  The point of me mentioning how much money he was on is more to do with the crazy amount City could sue him for if he continued to refuse to play.
City also don't have money worries so they could afford to let someone on that much rot. They even turned down a £40m bid from Corinthians. No, City do not have issues with letting someone rot on the bench because they can cover it. But he was still a major problem for them, they wanted to offload him badly but still stuck to their guns, either they were going to get what they asked for or Tevez would have to stay. My point is that making that deal with Inter was just plain stupid. We could have held out and gotten a good deal for him he's worth more than 0m that's for sure, the fact is Pazzini was unwanted at Inter as well and they also couldn't afford to keep him on the bench considering his wage. Getting Pazzini also was a mistake, he's not useful for us. We lost a creative player and got a poacher who is absolutely useless in Allegri's system where the forwards need to provide 90% of the creativity on the pitch. Had Galliani been smart about it he would have held out for a decent offer from Inter and than baught another more suited striker. Furthermore, I understand that Cassano is crazy, but like I said, he could have been handled. Banished to the stands and not training with the other players so he cannot disrupt them. If he doesn't show up for the solo training, fine him. Simple as that. You should appreciate this method since Mourinho makes use of it on a regular basis (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 2 2012, 08:38 AM)  Not really han, Carlos was in negotiations with PSG this summer, yet the same was not finalized due to his wage demands. Surprisingly, PSG declared that much. I guess it is because they found an option in Ibra and Lavezzi.
I think it is difficult to draw the same measuring stick for Cassano and Tevez. The former's experience with Roma, Madrid and Sampdoria are all live examples of what a nut case he is. Especially the Sampdoria case, where he had his contract rescinded by a club that latter struggled to stay up and was demoted. PSG are paying Zlatan an astronomical sum each month, I doubt Tevez's request was higher. As for why City were still allowing Tevez to negotiate an xit, I think that for Mancini he would have been good with it going either way (Tevez staying or going), they had made an agreement between each other before the end of last season and Tevez was part of the team for the last few games as well as played a part in those games The point is City stuck it out against an arrogant piece of **** like Tevez and in the end they came out on top as he's producing some of his best stuff this season. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Oct 2 2012, 09:35 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 2 2012, 12:19 PM)  PSG are paying Zlatan an astronomical sum each month, I doubt Tevez's request was higher. As for why City were still allowing Tevez to negotiate an xit, I think that for Mancini he would have been good with it going either way (Tevez staying or going), they had made an agreement between each other before the end of last season and Tevez was part of the team for the last few games as well as played a part in those games The point is City stuck it out against an arrogant piece of **** like Tevez and in the end they came out on top as he's producing some of his best stuff this season. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I think we all know what PSG is paying Zlatan, let alone Lavezzi. Why would they need Tevez if they got Zlatan and Lavezzi is the point I am making. Further to cement my point: QUOTE PSG chairman Nasser al-Khelaifi was ready to secure a deal for the player in January, but wages proved too much, despite the French Ligue 1 side splashing out on AC Milan duo Thiago Silva and Zlatan Ibrahimovic in the summer.
"If the transfer was not sorted out, it was not because he didn't want to come, but because we didn't accept his wage demands," Al-Khelaifi told Germany's Sportbild.
"He wanted to come. We don't pay too big wages to our players. Last winter Carlos Tevez asked too much and didn't match the club's philosophy. So we refused." They stuck to Tevez because he has an expensive contract with them, one which could not be matched by any other club. Tevez himself did well to go back with his tail between his legs after he found out that no club was willing to match what he gets at City.
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Oct 2 2012, 09:45 AM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 2 2012, 09:35 AM)  I think we all know what PSG is paying Zlatan, let alone Lavezzi. Why would they need Tevez if they got Zlatan and Lavezzi is the point I am making. Further to cement my point:
They stuck to Tevez because he has an expensive contract with them, one which could not be matched by any other club. Tevez himself did well to go back with his tail between his legs after he found out that no club was willing to match what he gets at City. Tevez was willing to go down to about 4 to 5m when he was negotiating with us. Maybe he wasn't willing to lower his wage so much for PSG because he saw them as beneath him. Anyway, the PSG deal and the wage negotiations with them were not my point. My point was that in the end, it was City who got what they wanted and not Tevez. They made the saying "the Club is always bigger than the player" more than just a simple saying, they demonstrated it.
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Oct 2 2012, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 2 2012, 12:45 PM)  Tevez was willing to go down to about 4 to 5m when he was negotiating with us. Maybe he wasn't willing to lower his wage so much for PSG because he saw them as beneath him.
Anyway, the PSG deal and the wage negotiations with them were not my point. My point was that in the end, it was City who got what they wanted and not Tevez. They made the saying "the Club is always bigger than the player" more than just a simple saying, they demonstrated it. The club is always bigger than the player, yes, that is why we let go of Cassano. I believe had Cassano stayed on, he would have turned you against him by his antics. Such was the case with Sampdoria, Madrid and Roma. Was Tevez really willing to lower his salary for Milan? At the time, he might have wanted that shift because of the friction between him and his club. But I think when he sat down to contemplate, he found it better to stay put and earn 250K a week versus pocket change from Milan. Kaka, despite his love for Milan didn't agree with the transfer back as well.
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Oct 2 2012, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 2 2012, 10:23 AM)  The club is always bigger than the player, yes, that is why we let go of Cassano. I believe had Cassano stayed on, he would have turned you against him by his antics. Such was the case with Sampdoria, Madrid and Roma.
Was Tevez really willing to lower his salary for Milan? At the time, he might have wanted that shift because of the friction between him and his club. But I think when he sat down to contemplate, he found it better to stay put and earn 250K a week versus pocket change from Milan. Kaka, despite his love for Milan didn't agree with the transfer back as well. Kaka wasn't the one who did not agree. We wanted Madrid to basically give him over to us for free. Add to that that the tax system was a huge headache in terms of making the move possible. Kaka definately wanted to come. Do you think he wants to be on the bench at Real where the coach basically said he does not want him?
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