Yup, that is always the case isn't it?

PSG have a very competitive squad, Carlo just adds more to it. More in the sense that they could very well tussle with Europe's best. People undervalue him, however, to his defense, Juventus was demoted to Serie B for match fixing, while Milan finished 2nd in two consecutive years due to that.

He is by far one of the most sought after coaches in Europe, regardless of his league title medals.

Well he also managed Juve while they were getting help and failed to win the league. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

It's a 2 way street imo. I think Carlo was a genius with us in regards to mastering the arts of a 2-legged tie. As for league performance, you have to admit that it was just bad considering the squad he had

Not really ... There is an arab proverb 'If it stays with someone else, it wouldn't have come to you'.

Ohh,...not really. He managed Juve in a crisis period. Granted, he had Zizou and some great players at hand, but something didn't just work. Getting help? In what way?

Bad? How can it be bad? When he had a good squad he won twice and came second twice (second to a fixed Juve as winner)? How is that bad?

Juve had been getting help from the refs for years, even when Carlo was coach. That's what I meant by getting help. So if Carlo is going to be defended for not managing anything against Juve while at Milan because of the match fixing than it has to be said that he didn't manage to win anything with Juve while he was on the receiving end of that help.

We only won 1 Scudetto under Carlo. At that time we had arguably one of the best squads in Europe from 2002 to 2006 under Carlo. It's justified when someone says that he should have done better

Carlo is one of the top 3 coaches that have sat on our bench under Berlusconi's era.

There are fans that adore him, there are those who can't stand him and there are those who are indifferent. One thing is certain, Milan under Carlo Ancelotti was different (not in personnel) in its approach to the game. A trademark if you will.

Since he departed, it seems as though the reliance rested on individual brilliance than team cohesion etc ...

Yes, one scudetto, you're right on that.

But your reasoning is absurd! Ancelotti managed Juve from 1999 to 2001. Did Calciopoli happen at that period? Was Juve relegated for this period as well?

With the same reasoning you can denounce almost every Juve coach up to day because Juventus gets help from referees for decades. But Calciopoli was another level, it was a highly organized thing.

I counted the Chelsea title, it's the second league title of his career. One with us and one with them.

This post has been edited by Jack Bauer: Sep 23 2012, 11:44 AM

Somehow I was under the impression Milan had 2 scudetti. Sorry (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

Despite what many seem to think, I don't think he's tactically good at all. We drew too many games against lesser sides under him despite having one of the best squads in World football for his first 5 years here. He didn't know how to break down the bottom teams who were happy to sit back and take a point.

He was better in the CL because in the KO stages against other top European sides, they weren't going to defend. He could remain patient and his team would find more ways to exploit the opposition as they opened up more. He had the fire power in his teams to make the most of the chances, but this didn't happen in Serie A so much.

Watching PSG seems to be more of the same. If they can get breakthrough they're fine, but they also struggle to break teams down.

At Chelsea I think he was unfairly treated though, he shouldn't have lost his job.

So you really think that Moggi only influenced referees for those 2 seasons?

Not even the most gullible person around would believe that. Calciopoli was based on those 2 seasons because the evidence (the tapes) were from those 2 particular season. But no one could convince me that Moggi hadn't been fixing games for years before that.

Maybe he did, maybe not. 1999 is very far from 2006. I really don't know. Maybe Juve started playing well when Moggi did his work - in 2002 or 2003. But those are only assumptions.

Facts remain: Juventus fixed at least 2 seasons in which Milan or any other club could not have won. Ancelotti managed Juventus in an entirely different era.

Moggi's match fixing dates way back, at least since 1998/1999. Everyone knows that. Remember Juventus-Inter of 1998? One of the most scandalous games ever in regards to refereeing.

This post has been edited by X-Offender: Sep 23 2012, 01:52 PM

Paris losing 2-0 at home against Sain-Etienne. Ibra got red-carded.

Still the same old Ibra (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)