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post Apr 5 2012, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 5 2012, 09:23 PM) *
The guy has a serious problem. I don't think his body is capable of the rigours of football - bad genes possibly.

His muscles simply do not cope with the top level game - and I doubt he will ever get any better.

He really did have potential, but with this news, I think, sadly, the game's up for him.


He played football until 19-20, including 3-4 years professionally, with no problem. then we made him big and he started to get injured (I clearly remember one of his interview where he said he'd been doing trainings and been gaining a few kilos and how he's happy with that because he's "stronger" now). so, no. it's not genes IMO. just bad treatment.

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A.C. Milan are absolutely determined to resolve Alexandre Pato’s muscular problems as quickly as possible.

There are numerous options, both diagnostic and therapeutic, still open and there’s no doubt that the current situation will be brought to a satisfactory conclusion.

Pato will be back soon stronger than ever.



What'd I say... they know they've f'ed him up and now they're responsible.
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post Apr 6 2012, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 5 2012, 04:53 PM) *
The guy has a serious problem. I don't think his body is capable of the rigours of football - bad genes possibly.

His muscles simply do not cope with the top level game - and I doubt he will ever get any better.

He really did have potential, but with this news, I think, sadly, the game's up for him.

He was ok before they started messing with his body. He played both in Brazil and Italy without any injury before these past few years. I refuse to believe that it's something that was always wrong with him, if that were the case then he'd have had these problems before.
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post Apr 8 2012, 12:07 PM
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post Apr 8 2012, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 5 2012, 08:35 PM) *
He played football until 19-20, including 3-4 years professionally, with no problem. then we made him big and he started to get injured (I clearly remember one of his interview where he said he'd been doing trainings and been gaining a few kilos and how he's happy with that because he's "stronger" now). so, no. it's not genes IMO. just bad treatment.


If it was all about the treatment, we'd have other players in the same boat. Constantly getting injured and spending lengthy spells on the sidelines.

As for what you said about him playing football 'then we made him big' - that's kinda what I'm getting at. His body is not capable of the rigours of this level of football, and the physical strength that it requires. Ditto the pace and dexterity needed.

His body has not handled the step up.
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post Apr 8 2012, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 6 2012, 12:07 AM) *
He was ok before they started messing with his body. He played both in Brazil and Italy without any injury before these past few years. I refuse to believe that it's something that was always wrong with him, if that were the case then he'd have had these problems before.


Brazil is a totally different ball game to Italy. When he arrived here it was all about potential, and how he needed to bulk up a bit and realise the ability he had.

He's not coped with that.
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post Apr 8 2012, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 8 2012, 04:37 PM) *
His body has not handled the step up.

The big question is, was this trip really necessary?! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Did we just have to bulk him up?!
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post Apr 8 2012, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE (acid911 @ Apr 8 2012, 02:40 PM) *
The big question is, was this trip really necessary?! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Did we just have to bulk him up?!


CR, Kaka, Messi .. All superstars and all received/receiving growth treatment ... Bulking him up allows him to sustain the hard work that is required in training and during the 90 mins of each game.

Now the question should be, is Pato eligible for such treatment? He most likely should be, otherwise the medical before signing him would have been a fluke.
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post Apr 8 2012, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 8 2012, 01:04 PM) *
CR, Kaka, Messi .. All superstars and all received/receiving growth treatment ... Bulking him up allows him to sustain the hard work that is required in training and during the 90 mins of each game.

Now the question should be, is Pato eligible for such treatment? He most likely should be, otherwise the medical before signing him would have been a fluke.


Or just wrong?
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QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 8 2012, 03:25 PM) *
Or just wrong?


Could be ... Nothing is definitive, as the medical team don't know what wrong with him. And despite their notorious track-record with our players being injured, they still are more capable than any of us; unless one of us is a medical practitioner.
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post Apr 11 2012, 10:49 AM
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Article from football-italia
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“Milan communicates that today Alexandre Pato underwent an MRI scan. The examination has shown an injury, between grade one and grade two, to the biceps femoris muscle of the left leg.”

It is a statement so frequently posted on Milan's official website that all they need do is copy and paste the last one, and change the minor details such as the leg affected.

How frequently is it posted? La Gazzetta dello Sport reckon Pato's injury against Barcelona was his 14th since January 2010, although only half of them were identified as hamstring injuries, with another two simply labelled as muscle strains in his right and left leg respectively.

Although La Gazzetta use January 2010 as a cut-off, Pato had suffered hamstring injuries before this point, yet more than two years later, now approaching three, the club are no closer to solving the problem.

In December 2010 they sent Pato to the USA to seek opinion from Dr William Garrett, a specialist in orthopaedics at Duke University. He conducted a variety of gait analyses using video and force plates, and concluded the problem was postural - Pato's running style means he leans too far forward during sprints, creating a muscle imbalance that loads the hamstrings.

Former sprinter Stefano Tilli also believes Pato’s issues stem from posture, although he identified a problem in the lower half of the body in Thursday’s Gazzetta: “When the foot leaves the ground, the pelvis is too far forward, and the foot is parallel to the floor, instead of at a 90 degree angle to the rest of the leg. It places too much pressure on the hamstrings.”

Either MilanLab were not listening to Garrett’s opinions or they ignored his advice altogether, because the problems have not subsided. They may even think that Garrett is wrong, and certainly the change in direction this year seems to suggest MilanLab believe there is a different cause for the injuries.

From an orthopaedic specialist in 2010, Milan - under the guidance of Jean-Pierre Meersseman - took him to a chiropractic neurologist, Dr Frederick Carrick, only last week. After assessing Pato’s brain activity, he amusingly gave him a clean bill of health on the Friday, only to see the Brazilian injured the following Tuesday.

What has flown under the radar throughout this two-and-a-half year period, and indeed Carlo Ancelotti’s final season where injuries were also rife, is the constant changing of staff at MilanLab.

The last four seasons have seen four different individuals as director of medicine at the club – Massimiliano Sala in 2008-09, Massimo Manara in 2009-10, Gianluca Melegati in 2010-11 and now Rodolfo Tavana, who took over last May, and was previously at the club from 1987-2003. Each has brought one or two of their own doctors with them, and as is the way in medicine, each has their own specialty and ideas for injury prevention and management.

This position belonged to Meersseman before the flurry of changes, but he has taken an increasingly marginal role since 2008 at his own request. He was credited as one of the driving forces behind the MilanLab set-up, and the fact that each of the four seasons since he vacated the post has seen the squad decimated by injuries augments his reputation.


It is telling that the club turned to him to solve Pato’s problems, and it also explains the massive difference in approach from 2010 to now. Melegati, an expert in rehabilitation and injury prevention, took Pato to an orthopaedic specialist, Meersseman, a chiropractor, took him to see a colleague in his same field.

Both approaches have failed, though given the decent injury record during his time at the club, you would fancy Meersseman to get to the bottom of it. He had a sly dig at the length of time he had been given when speaking of Pato’s latest setback: “I have not solved something in three weeks that has not been resolved in two years.” Perhaps he should have focused on the real problem hurting the No 7 right now, the continuity of care, or lack thereof.
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post May 8 2012, 05:40 PM
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Pato 'working intensely' on comeback

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Alexandre Pato has told Brazilian media he is “working intensely and thinking about the Olympics,” explaining his latest Milan injury setback.

The striker has barely featured this season due to a series of muscular problems, including a serious thigh strain just minutes after making his comeback at the Nou Camp.

“The decision to play in Barcelona was made by everyone, including me,” he told Rede Globo.

“I live for football. It is my work and my life. When I can run and kick a ball, I always do it with joy and a smile on my face. It’s exactly what I want to do.

“I want to get back to playing well, scoring many goals and giving my contribution to help Milan and the Seleçao.

“Now I am working intensely and thinking about the Olympics. The only way I can speak to Brazil manager Mano Menezes is by working on the pitch. I try to do my best.”

Milan Coach Massimiliano Allegri was also interviewed by the Brazilian programme and praised ‘The Duck.’

“Pato is a very important player. He hasn’t been able to feature much this season, but he is very young and this is why I think he can become the best in the world.”

Despite the injury nightmares, he remains positive as usual.

I don't remember him ever getting injured while on duty with Selecao* so I don't see any reason why he shouldn't go to London if he gets called up. it'll do him a lot of good.


* If that's indeed the case, then it's safe to assume there's something wrong with out training methods/fitness coaches more than there's something wrong with Pato. (as we saw with Prince as well)

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post May 8 2012, 07:02 PM
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They both suck, i.e. our medical staff and Pato's injury proneness.
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post May 8 2012, 07:25 PM
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You are pr0 in creating theories as well,as long as it's not proven,I'm not going to buy it,and it's what every person should do.You can't blame the player before your "theory" is confirmed.
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post May 8 2012, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE (William405 @ May 8 2012, 08:25 PM) *
You are pr0 in creating theories as well,as long as it's not proven,I'm not going to buy it,and it's what every person should do.You can't blame the player before your "theory" is confirmed.


Pato's been having injury problems for more than two years now, not only this season. There's nothing wrong in assuming his injury proneness is beyond normality.
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It always amazes me....the comments that people make about the kid when there's so little information about what has happened. The latest is that he's with Barbara now so he has no more desire (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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