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> Coppa Italia - Semi Finals 1st Leg - Juventus - Milan, Date: 20/03/12 Time: 20:45 CET

 
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post Mar 21 2012, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Mar 21 2012, 03:18 PM) *
Allegri was shown furious at times...he has a calm character,I like that about him.Just see his reactions when scoring against Arsenal.Also,we didn't lack passion,we were simply too tired,we had half of the team coming back from injury,thiago silva playing all the time.Basically,the only one who was truly ready and doing well was Mexes.


Right, so at 90 minutes we're winning and doing great, and then 5 minutes later it's all gone?

That's attitude, not fitness.
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post Mar 21 2012, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Mar 21 2012, 04:35 PM) *
Neither did Conte, he just showed emotion. Something I saw little of from Allegri.

That's because there were no calls against them, as I said in an other thread, Juve's class will only shine through until all is going according to their plans, once that goes astray they show their real low class selves.
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post Mar 21 2012, 04:45 PM
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I was half expecting people to overreact, despite that everyone always says "Who cares about the Coppa?". This was a nice surprise.
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post Mar 21 2012, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 21 2012, 04:45 PM) *
I was half expecting people to overreact, despite that everyone always says "Who cares about the Coppa?". This was a nice surprise.

I don't think there can be any complaints, we beat Juve away from home in 90 minutes with a mess of a line-up.

Either way, the damage was done in the first leg, so having faught so hard yesterday and seeing that particular 11 take the game to Juve having practically one foot out was enough for most people.

Like Danny I'm disappointed that after having bothered with taking it to extra time, we seemingly took our eye off it.
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post Mar 21 2012, 04:57 PM
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I don't think it's even debatable to compare us to Juve honestly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Mar 21 2012, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 21 2012, 05:48 PM) *
I don't think there can be any complaints, we beat Juve away from home in 90 minutes with a mess of a line-up.

Either way, the damage was done in the first leg, so having faught so hard yesterday and seeing that particular 11 take the game to Juve having practically one foot out was enough for most people.

Like Danny I'm disappointed that after having bothered with taking it to extra time, we seemingly took our eye off it.


Who did we have playing though,a seedorf that just came back from injury,Pipo who can't even run,Emmanuelson try his best,although Nocerino could have done better.imo,like Allegri said in his interview,we did our best considering the circumstances.Yes,it's a disappointment...but the team gets full credit.
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post Mar 21 2012, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Mar 21 2012, 04:57 PM) *
I don't think it's even debatable to compare us to Juve honestly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Yep, they're mediocre at best, and we'll prove this on the real stage, the league.

Can't wait for next season when they'll actually have a hard schedule due to the CL.

QUOTE (William405 @ Mar 21 2012, 04:59 PM) *
Who did we have playing though,a seedorf that just came back from injury,Pipo who can't even run,Emmanuelson try his best,although Nocerino could have done better.imo,like Allegri said in his interview,we did our best considering the circumstances.Yes,it's a disappointment...but the team gets full credit.

Yes I agree that what we did was great, but if we were bad last night than Juve mush have been worse. Like Danny said, we were doing decently up until the FT whistle blew. To suddenly come back onto the pitch and seemingly have an attitude where you don't care either way is what was disappointing for some, I'd rather have left it at 1-1 and not had to play the tiring extra 30 minutes for no reason
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post Mar 21 2012, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 21 2012, 09:03 PM) *
Yes I agree that what we did was great, but if we were bad last night than Juve mush have been worse. Like Danny said, we were doing decently up until the FT whistle blew. To suddenly come back onto the pitch and seemingly have an attitude where you don't care either way is what was disappointing for some, I'd rather have left it at 1-1 and not had to play the tiring extra 30 minutes for no reason

Still it would have been great to knock these guys out, and hand them a trophy-less season. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) They've been more arrogant than inter were a couple of years back, and I'll be praying for a Juve loss somehow at the hands of either inter or Napoli. If they go undefeated this season for 38 matches, they can carry that next season too.

And that would mean our record of The Invincible Milan would come under threat.
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post Mar 21 2012, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE (acid911 @ Mar 21 2012, 06:15 PM) *
Still it would have been great to knock these guys out, and hand them a trophy-less season. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) They've been more arrogant than inter were a couple of years back, and I'll be praying for a Juve loss somehow at the hands of either inter or Napoli. If they go undefeated this season for 38 matches, they can carry that next season too.

And that would mean our record of The Invincible Milan would come under threat.

I don't think you can be called the Invincibles if you end up as losers in the end.

And them somehow managing to stay unbeaten next season as well would be something impossible. This season everything has conspired in their favour, both in terms of injuries and a light schedule. Do you see that happening next season when they have to play every 3 days?

Also techinically we did beat them over 90 minutes, the match ended at 2-1 yesterday.

As for Inter beating them on Sunday, there's no chance in that happening, Inter are absolutely awful. Maybe a draw in the Ranieri way, but certainly not a loss
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post Mar 22 2012, 01:40 PM
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Sorry, but this goes to far for me? Are we now gonna deceive ourselves and play like we won against Juventus? It was a semifinal, the match went into extra time and we lost, almost without even firing one shout in the additional 30 minutes. We played like cr@p for 45 minutes, and could have conceded more. The we scored and manage to jump back, but the moment Maxi scored our second I knew we're gonna stop. Our midfield disappeared, our team stopped playing and pushing. In the end, Juventus beat us twice and got two favorable draws.

Reserves? Muntari, Thiago, Ibra, El Shaa, Seedorf, Aquilani, Antonini, Mesbah...all of them are more the reserves, they are first team players or at least act much of the time this season as such.

It's pretty unfair to take it out on Seedorf, he just came back after weeks without playing and had to do the whole 120 minutes. If Allegri wouldn't be that obsessed with playing Ibra at all cost, we'd have one more sub to make. Inzaghi was...to be fair...out of touch. In this system, he really appears useless. It's really sad.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 22 2012, 01:40 PM) *
Sorry, but this goes to far for me? Are we now gonna deceive ourselves and play like we won against Juventus? It was a semifinal, the match went into extra time and we lost, almost without even firing one shout in the additional 30 minutes. We played like cr@p for 45 minutes, and could have conceded more. The we scored and manage to jump back, but the moment Maxi scored our second I knew we're gonna stop. Our midfield disappeared, our team stopped playing and pushing. In the end, Juventus beat us twice and got two favorable draws.

Reserves? Muntari, Thiago, Ibra, El Shaa, Seedorf, Aquilani, Antonini, Mesbah...all of them are more the reserves, they are first team players or at least act much of the time this season as such.

It's pretty unfair to take it out on Seedorf, he just came back after weeks without playing and had to do the whole 120 minutes. If Allegri wouldn't be that obsessed with playing Ibra at all cost, we'd have one more sub to make. Inzaghi was...to be fair...out of touch. In this system, he really appears useless. It's really sad.

Muntari, Mesbah, Seedorf. None of which are starters. One has been in and out from injury all season, Mesbah is I think even behind the 3rd backup at this point after his last 2 displays, and Muntari is nothing but a patch to plug a hole that was brought in. Certainly very far from our best team. Ibra played 45 minutes with the flu. Most of those players have been playing so much because of the injuries. They are certainly not starters

I would only classify Thiago, Aqui and Antonini as starters (Ibra was a non-factor in the game). And even then we had Antonini playing out of position.

We beat Juve over 90 minutes. Hence extra-time. Juve only rested Marchisio from their out-field regulars (Matri doesn't count as he's not a regular). What did you expect? We've been playing with a paper thin squad for weeks now. The fact that we took it to extra time says a lot considering most of us had already proclaimed the tie as done and dusted before the match even started
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post Mar 22 2012, 06:07 PM
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Beat them or not, it's still not the league. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I don't count it. Maybe as a Coppa match, but even then we were the team that lost and got out. It's clear we lacked intensity, particularly in the first half. That was a sleepwalk.
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 22 2012, 03:50 PM) *
Muntari, Mesbah, Seedorf. None of which are starters. One has been in and out from injury all season, Mesbah is I think even behind the 3rd backup at this point after his last 2 displays, and Muntari is nothing but a patch to plug a hole that was brought in. Certainly very far from our best team. Ibra played 45 minutes with the flu. Most of those players have been playing so much because of the injuries. They are certainly not starters

I would only classify Thiago, Aqui and Antonini as starters (Ibra was a non-factor in the game). And even then we had Antonini playing out of position.

We beat Juve over 90 minutes. Hence extra-time. Juve only rested Marchisio from their out-field regulars (Matri doesn't count as he's not a regular). What did you expect? We've been playing with a paper thin squad for weeks now. The fact that we took it to extra time says a lot considering most of us had already proclaimed the tie as done and dusted before the match even started

Pretty much said all in the Serie A thread. Just some details:

No player actually, other then Thiago, Bommel and Ibra is a starter at Milan this season. With the amount of injuries we have this season, this applies. But a few posts back here people were talking of a reserve squad - like it was intentionally played that way. But in fact, Milan played with all the best players they had available bar Abbiati. That's my point.

What does it mean, we beat them in 90 minutes? To be honest, it's nothing! Bravo! We won 90 minutes, but 120 have been played, we lost/tied and played a piss poor extra time.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 22 2012, 07:12 PM) *
Pretty much said all in the Serie A thread. Just some details:

No player actually, other then Thiago, Bommel and Ibra is a starter at Milan this season. With the amount of injuries we have this season, this applies. But a few posts back here people were talking of a reserve squad - like it was intentionally played that way. But in fact, Milan played with all the best players they had available bar Abbiati. That's my point.

What does it mean, we beat them in 90 minutes? To be honest, it's nothing! Bravo! We won 90 minutes, but 120 have been played, we lost/tied and played a piss poor extra time.

Techinicall speaking it is still the reserve team, whether it's intentional or forced upon us, we could not play at our best as we were far from our best.

We haven't had one opportunity to face Juve with our best line-up this season. And imo that has a lot of effect on our record against them

Yes the players seemingly gave up in extra time, and as I've said, that's the only thing that disappointed me from the entire mtach, why force extra time when you have no intention of seeing it through?
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100% agreed with everything han said.
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