This could have saved me typing my last post if I'd actually read it beforehand. great minds think alike (IMG:style_emoticons/default/96.gif)

I said it happens to everyone, but in Pato's case he has one recurring injury after another, 90% of them being muscular problems.

You all seem to have blind faith in Pato, faith I don't really have anymore. And if the board itself got fed up by his situation, I wouldn't be surprised if we see him playing for PSG next season.

Maybe Real would be interested. Marca had a Ramos for Pato story, though it's probably BS.

You seem not to know how young players bar CR7 and Messi progress. That is to say there isn't any specific formula for all. However MOST truly bloom between 23-24. It's around that time Aguero has exploded, Messi reached where he currently reigns and so on. Additionally Messi, RVP were also VERY injury prone in their early 20's while others like Rooney, Nani Pastore etc were wildly inconsistent. 24i seemed to be the magic age for most of the aforementioned including 99% of the forum's dream transfer names. I suggest a significant lack of panic till then

This post has been edited by drucurl: Feb 23 2012, 01:38 AM

Blind faith? Fanboys?

You said Zeddie is a fanboy, so his perspective may have been clouded. So what's my excuse? Am I too protective or what? Cause I agree with han and Zed, and it's not about having blind faith or not. It's about what Pato means for Milan's future. He's the nearest thing to world class we have right now that is still way before his prime. Ibra, Abbiati, Nesta, Cassano and Robinho ain't our future; Thiago and Pato are, or at least should be. And I intend to hold onto them as long as possible: an alternative is nonexistent IMO.

And I'm against it especially if it's for a washed-out shabby player like Tevez. The plan of selling Pato and "investing" into an Argentinian beast has more flaws then a Swiss cheese has wholes. Firstly, how much can Tevez give us? Two years? Maybe, just maybe, more.

Did you forget his injuries, Fillipo? Because that's the biggest issue here. Nobody doubts his talent. What I doubt is his physical integrity, and will he ever overcome his problems? Han said he's willing to give him two more seasons before throwing the towel, but something leads me to believe that in two years time nothing will have changed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

This post has been edited by X-Offender: Feb 23 2012, 05:36 AM

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You could also rephrase it like this:

The plan of selling Pato and "investing" into an Argentinian beast WHO has more flaws then a Swiss cheese has holes, has more flaws than a Swiss cheese has holes!



Btw, you said as soon as he feels something, he asks to be subbed. how many times has that happened in his 4-5 years at Milan?

This was my question. I asked you for a number but you gave me anything but a number.

It's these little accusations that bother me. if you sustain the kind of injury you've had a dozen times, it's enough of a sign - you have to be subbed immediately. what's that got to do with weak mentality.

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You can't predict these things! Just like I can't tell you that he'll be 100% in 2 years time, you cannot assure me that he won't be 100% by that time. For all we know this could be his last injury (wishful thinking). You just cannot predict these things.

And being pre-mature about it and selling him for a minimal fee to get an idiot like Tevez would be stupid imo.

In 2 years time certain clubs would still be willing to pay the same amount as they are now if he's still having problems. His name still attracts a more than decent price tag to the billionaire clubs. So imo, there is no rush to sell him at this point

If our medical team really is as crap as we suspect...then I think Tevez is also just gonna go down the injury route right?

Anyway, I'm against selling Pato. But I do want him to get his head out of his ***, forget the media overhype of his relationship with Princess Berlusconi and do some hard talking on the pitch.

He needs to learn when to pass, when to shoot..develop some footballing brains which is what will carry him on his career when his legs have long gone. He'll never have a better place to learn it than with wizened veterans like Zee, Pippo, Sandro and Ambro. But he has to make some really rapid progress...coz he's running out of time and wasting his potential.

If Allegri won't carry him into the spotlight, then he needs to walk there himself.

So in the end it's our blind trust against your blind ignorance, if simplified, right X-O? Because all we have is "feelings", me and han "feel" we should give him more, you "feel" we should cash in now.

The thing is he can't overcome this problem by his own, he needs the specialists' help. but after three straight seasons and the same injury happening again and again, you can't help but think those specialists at Milan can't solve his problem. unless something changes within the club, Pato will continue having this problem. more than I'm hopeful his body suddenly starts behaving (that might happen as well, who knows...) I'm hopeful those changes within the club are made. whether it's the crappy turf or incompetent medical/fitness staff.

If the club's content with the state of things as they are, they might as well sell Pato in the summer to a club that have a clue on how to cure him and in the meantime we can continue to have a ****load amount of injuries to other players.

This post has been edited by Zed.D: Feb 23 2012, 10:35 AM

How should I know how many times that has happened at Milan? All I know, and what really matters, is that nobody's had such consistency in being injured since the Ambrosini days. And Ambro took his sweet time to recover. That's why I said I'm doubtful about Pato's integrity even after two seasons, even though you never know these things, like han said.

And it's got to do a lot with mentality. Pato plays with the fear of being injured. That alone is a big factor that might influence his repercussions. You find it stupid, but I find it very believable. Try to bear with it.



My blind ignorance? Thank you very much for the sweet words, Fillipo.

It wasn't meant as an insult; I said simplified (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

But in the end, we got nothing to argue. It's your instinct vs. mine. That was the bottom line.

Alright.

I agree that things need to change at Milanello, but that doesn't really just apply to Pato, but everyone.

Boateng was already mentioned, he keeps getting muscle injuries as well. Seedorf, another couple of muscle injuries this season when he's usually the fittest person in the team. Then there are all the other niggling injuries with Abate, Nesta, Mexes, Aquilani, VB's had a couple as well this season, etc