Err, it's an expresion, Fillipo. I'm not saying he's doing it on purpose, jeez. Still, a change of attitude would be nice. I think his problem resides mostly in his mind. The guy can't even accelerate anymore because he's too afraid of getting injured. As soon as he feels an annoyance or disturbance, he asks to be subbed. And then god knows how long it takes for him to get back, only to be injured again shortly after. There was a great article some time ago from Luca Serafini (a noted and excellent Mediaset journalist and Milan fan) about how Pato's problem was mostly psychological than anything else. If he manages to overcome his fears like Ambrosini did a few years back, then everything will become easier for him. But does he have the right mentality and attitude for that? Because at times he looks like a scaredy-cat to me.

Oh no, not at all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) There may be an odd extra or two that you might have missed, but that's this.


I know, I still like the guy, and have been liking his game for a few years now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Hopefully he comes back!

Ibra is definitely in the top five right now, alongside Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi and Iniesta.

If only you could realize how absurd that bold part is.

In the eyes of a fanboy, I certainly believe so. It's sad how you can't be critical of a player that's been disappointing everyone simply because he's your favorite toy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Firstly I'm no more a Pato fanboy than most people here so that's just irrelevant.

I should be critical of what? unlike you I don't think his weak mentality is what's getting him injured. that's freakin' absurd, saying it. weak mentality could affect his performances on the pitch for sure and we've seen that many times, even his passing is a result of that not because technically he can't pass, but injuries are a separate story altogether, whether you can grasp it or not.

Btw, you said as soon as he feels something, he asks to be subbed. how many times has that happened in his 4-5 years at Milan?

This post has been edited by Zed.D: Feb 22 2012, 05:26 PM

X-Off belongs to this school of thought:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYxCrugJj_o...eature=youtu.be

It's all in the mind man...!

Ambrosini got over his injuries in his late 20s. Before that he was constantly injured. Saying that Pato can't get over himself and his psychological issues while comparing him with Ambro doesn't make any sense, as Ambro took his sweet @ss time to get over his issues as well.

The main points here are whether the club will stick with him or not, and not whether you yourself and a couple of other fans are tired of waiting. Another huge example which dru briefly brought up is that of Van Persie at Arsenal. How long did Arsenal wait for him to finally have an injury free season? This is his first full season during his time at Arsenal which imo says it all. Sheva as well had a terrible season with us in his first few years. And when Real were sniffing around, some fans were saying we should cash in because they were "tired" of waiting. But the club had faith and stood by him, and this is the main point here. No one at the club cares about what you or I think. They'll make the decision they see fit. I'll be very happy if we keep him and he gets over his troubles, if not, and we do sell him, I'll only be happy if we use the money wisely and not cr@p on it by buying Tevez, as you seem to wish they'll do.

My final point, atm, we have a lot of luxuries in attack that for example a team like Arsenal did not have and yet, still stood by RvP. We have top top players like Ibra, Robs, Cassano and even someone low key but reliable like Maxi. This affords the club and Pato time to make a level headed decision and not one spurred on by idiocy like they were about to do in the winter window for someone like Tevez.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ey khoda mordam az khande! kheili appropriate bood!

ahaha,good one!

The issue of his injuries being psychological has been discussed plenty of times in the media, and I made a specific reference to it. The fact you don't buy it doesn't make my point absurd. I didn't say it's the main reason, but it's been preventing him from making steps forward. And there is some truth in that.



It happens to everyone, but not on a regular basis as in the case of Pato. Consider Boateng against Arsenal. He was coming from a month-long injury, yet he made a terrific performance, even though he wasn't ready yet and it was giving him problems throughout the match. I wish Pato would show such determination, at least in the games he's fit. But no, he's too scared to force himself, otherwise he'll get injured again.



Damn, you got me! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)



But this season Cassano had to forfeit and Robinho was having a crappy run until the match against Arsenal. We had to rely on Ibra once again. That's why I wanted Tevez so much. If we had an all-star attack like you say, then Pato would have been excused. But the current circumstances required his presence. And that's why fans are frustrated.

I do believe that his psychological issues factor in. But I don't think they're the reason that he get's the injuries to begin with, I do think that as you say, they hold him back from playing 100% when he returns but imo, they're not the cause for the injuries themselves. They're the cause for the hesitancy in his play though, that I do agree with you

Boateng is only just starting to experience such injury issues in his career (which is another huge worry for me), this is the 3rd season for Pato, when it was just the first few occasions, he got back in no problem and played with that confidence he used to have, but last season, and this one, when they started to come more frequently, he started to hold back a lot more. You can't really compare the 2 situations. It's understandable for him to have that worry at the back of his mind, while for Boateng it's not as pressing as it is for Pato.

You do have a point with Cassano and Robinho. But Tevez wouldn't have solved anything, not this season anyway, he hadn't kicked a ball for months, you think he'd just have slipped into the team seamlessly and started playing every 3 days from the off. He'd still probably be doing preperation training now with us.

And yes Robinho and Cassano were unexpected issues, but Cassano will be back next season while Robinho is always a bit of a gamble but has chipped in a lot this season and last, even while playing like c@p (it's mostly his finishing that is cr@p btw). And now with El Shaa's rise and Maxi also chipping in, it will give even more breathing room for Pato. I know it's frustrating, and you just want to go there and shake the sh!t out of him. But for me, I'm willing to wait a maximum of 2 more seasons before I throw in the towel. I know you feel that's too long a time to wait, but I think we canot really judge until he's around the 25 year mark. Plus he's not going to be worth a lot now either, so I'm willing to wait it out, because if he does get over this it will be hugely beneficial to the club. Think a Balo, Pato, El Shaa attacking trio in the future would look good

For now, both sky and gazzetta have the same line-up (though, like always, it might change):

Abbiati, Abate, Silva, Mexes, Mesbah, Nocerino, MVB, Muntari, Urby, Pato, Robinho

The only issue for me is Urby behind the strikers. He'll get smorthered there against Juve.

I'd rather we played a flat 4-4-2 if it came down to it. At least Urby will be in the game

If Boateng got injured as much as Pato does I suspect he'd be the same. it's true that Pato doesn't show as much grit and determination in coming back from injuries and returning to top form as he did two or three seasons ago, but that's because with each injury he's finding himself more and more helpless facing a situation that's out of his hands. he has all his career ahead of him, but can't stay healthy for a half season if his life depended on it. you say you're frustrated, but you can't seem to imagine how frustrated Pato himself is, and even expect people to be critical of him. I mean, what the hell.


You ducked my question.