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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 21 2012, 08:58 PM) *
I'm all for giving him a fair chance. Think he deserves it.


As long as he can play two straight matches without getting injured. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Feb 21 2012, 09:44 PM
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If Pato can't get a run of at least 5 straight matches, than he'll never pick his form back up this season. And to think he started so brightly with that stunner against Barca (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Feb 21 2012, 09:45 PM
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Yeah, I'm beginning to lose hope on this guy. He's one of my favourite players but if he can't stay on the pitch, eventually we have to move on ... to ... Stephan El Shaarawy!
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QUOTE (amancik @ Feb 21 2012, 09:45 PM) *
Yeah, I'm beginning to lose hope on this guy. He's one of my favourite players but if he can't stay on the pitch, eventually we have to move on ... to ... Stephan El Shaarawy!


Or Carlitos Tevez. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)
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post Feb 22 2012, 11:31 AM
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I think it's incredible how fickle football fans are. Just when you think they don't get any worse they sink deeper. There are so many issues that come into play for Pato's bad season this year yet these supposed "fans" act like he's some 2 bit 30 wear old second division player. For this reason I genuinely respect Barcelona and Arsenal for the patience and effort they put behind Messi and RVP respectively. Both were chronically injury prone and both waited nearly a decade for their talent to bloom. (Messi has been at Barca since he was 13). ONE difficult season at Milan and we're ready to toss the kid (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) . Another reason for this impatience is that Ibra is doing so well atm that most can't see past this and possibly next reason where he'll be on the wrong side of 30 and declining. Ditto for the funny lookin Argentine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
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post Feb 22 2012, 11:37 AM
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Ridiculing Pato for having a bad season which is mostly due to injuries. how pathetic is that? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Feb 22 2012, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 22 2012, 11:37 AM) *
Ridiculing Pato for having a bad season which is mostly due to injuries. how pathetic is that? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I agree, it is rather annoying.

Yet, I see where people are coming from: frustration leads to such conclusions. We expected so much out of him, yet this season it seems like a well organized time-schedule - Pato injured - Pato back - Pato injured.

I'm almost 100% that on this board there isn't even a single poster who dislikes Pato or wants to insult him because he's convinced Pato is a bad player; yet his constant injuries make them feel frustrated.
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post Feb 22 2012, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE (acid911 @ Feb 21 2012, 01:59 PM) *
Agreed, but times are a changing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The way the game has gone now in the last 5-10 years, defenders are starting to get much deserved attention. Maybe not at the turds-at-FIFA-and-UEFA level, but general fans do think a good, solid defense is very much needed. Part of it has to do with the lack of quality defenders too.

Back in the good old days, a lot of players had good techniques. Now? The standards have fallen. Hence, a good defender like Silva catches the eyes of not just casual fans, but opponent clubs too. I do get what you're saying though, and most of the times it's just the attacking bunch that get all the plaudits.


If we're 100% honest, best players around right now would be Silva, Essien (imo) Messi, C Ron, Iniesta, and Ibra. Or am I being biased?

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Michael Essien is a different case. A few years back he was an absolute beast. The best by far. Now not so.


You know he's been out injured the past 7 or 8 months? He's only 29, do not write him off (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

On form he's just the best there is at what he does.
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QUOTE (amancik @ Feb 21 2012, 04:45 PM) *
Yeah, I'm beginning to lose hope on this guy. He's one of my favourite players but if he can't stay on the pitch, eventually we have to move on ... to ... Stephan El Shaarawy!

Losing faith in an immensely talented 22 year old because he's injured (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Do you know that $heva at his peak once scored 5 goals in 24 matches one season? He was INJURED a lot and even when he did play he was CRAP. Also Del Piero had about 3 SEASONS FULL of utter and complete rubbish. But guess what? Their clubs STUCK with them ans was rewarded

People are so desperate to get a player that's on Messi/CR7's level that they seem to have no qualms about discarding other very good players en route.

Stephan has played only a handful of games and I'd be the most vocal about getting him playing time, but he's even more of a wild card simply because none of us has crystal balls (no homo). Still too early to tell whether he's an Eto'o or a Mido....BOTH supremely talented only one went on to make the transition from promising to world class. Imagine a couple of years ago Mido was the one keeping Zlatan on the bench at Ajax

Players don't always progress linearly. Many grow in fits and starts. One minute they're crap and the next season they finally become world class.
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QUOTE (drucurl @ Feb 22 2012, 12:29 PM) *
Easily the most annoying person ever.

Lost his passion at Milan? Lolz cool story POS drag queen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Incredible that Costacurta, Maldini, Baresi, Seedorf...heck even Gatuso wants to PLAY FOR FREE for us but this fairy thinks that he's been there and done that at Milan (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

We might sorely miss a player with his unique skillset but kicking to the curb shows that we at least have our pride and is the single greatest decision that Allegri has ever made in his entire life.

Overrated $#!t hasn't scored a free kick for us in NEARLY THREE Fu¢₭ing years but goes across to Ladri and does it no problem (IMG:style_emoticons/default/swear1.gif) Milan legend my black @$$. No one ever held the natural effects of aging against him but IF YOU ACTUALLY WATCHED OUR GAMES YOU COULD SEE THAT HE SIMPLY DIDN'T CARE ANYMORE.

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QUOTE (drucurl @ Feb 22 2012, 04:00 PM) *
Losing faith in an immensely talented 22 year old because he's injured (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Do you know that $heva at his peak once scored 5 goals in 24 matches one season? He was INJURED a lot and even when he did play he was CRAP. Also Del Piero had about 3 SEASONS FULL of utter and complete rubbish. But guess what? Their clubs STUCK with them ans was rewarded

People are so desperate to get a player that's on Messi/CR7's level that they seem to have no qualms about discarding other very good players en route.

Stephan has played only a handful of games and I'd be the most vocal about getting him playing time, but he's even more of a wild card simply because none of us has crystal balls (no homo). Still too early to tell whether he's an Eto'o or a Mido....BOTH supremely talented only one went on to make the transition from promising to world class. Imagine a couple of years ago Mido was the one keeping Zlatan on the bench at Ajax

Players don't always progress linearly. Many grow in fits and starts. One minute they're crap and the next season they finally become world class.

I wonder how you can go from one completely immature post in one thread to a very insightful post in another thread in the space of a couple of hours dru. Tell me, is someone else using your account, or is this simply a Jackle and Hyde sort of thing?
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post Feb 22 2012, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 22 2012, 12:05 PM) *
Yet, I see where people are coming from: frustration leads to such conclusions. We expected so much out of him, yet this season it seems like a well organized time-schedule - Pato injured - Pato back - Pato injured.

I'm almost 100% that on this board there isn't even a single poster who dislikes Pato or wants to insult him because he's convinced Pato is a bad player; yet his constant injuries make them feel frustrated.


How can you not get frustrated with him pulling this crap week in and week out? It's not like he's doing it on purpose, but that's beyond the point. I'd be happy with him being just a regular goal scorer à la Higuain at this point of his career (although my expectations for him were much more higher), but the guy gets injured way too often. Who knows when this'll stop, if it will ever stop.
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 22 2012, 11:04 AM) *
I wonder how you can go from one completely immature post in one thread to a very insightful post in another thread in the space of a couple of hours dru. Tell me, is someone else using your account, or is this simply a Jackle and Hyde sort of thing?

My anger towards Pirlo is partly in response to the sheer number of groupies he has which give him a free pass when he messes up and magnifies even the infinitesimal good things he does. With all the wild accusations of this player being lazy and that player being unmotivated and player X needing to work harder why was always immune to such criticism? Isn't it obvious that he's now playing his heart out for juve while his last 2~3 years he gave us the bare minimum? The languid back passes that put the defence under pressure the persistently careless free kicks, the long passes to no one in particular. The list goes on and on really. The Pirlo that I actually liked up to '07 was a far cry from the one that left Milan. But I'd be less aggressive about all this if these same fans that sing his praises in harmony didn't then turn around and knock the crap out of Seedorf and other favourite whipping boys. Worst of all a team that had such illustrious players could NEVER claim such a limited player as a "legend". But don't tell his fans that. You'll be accused of being a fake fan and gloryhunter etc (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 22 2012, 04:29 PM) *
How can you not get frustrated with him pulling this crap week in and week out? It's not like he's doing it on purpose, but that's beyond the point. I'd be happy with him being just a regular goal scorer à la Higuain at this point of his career (although my expectations for him were much more higher), but the guy gets injured way too often. Who knows when this'll stop, if it will ever stop.

Yes,...but I really don't get you, your post is contradictory. How can you say someone getting injured all the time is pulling crap week in and week out? I mean, what do you want him to do?
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post Feb 22 2012, 04:42 PM
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I must say this place is infinitely more reasonable than other places. For instance across at r&b ppl are convinced he's doing coke and the time out for injury is actually rehab (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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