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> Champions League - Round of 16 - AC Milan - Arsenal F.C., Date: 15/02/12 Time: 20:45 CET

 
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post Feb 14 2012, 02:59 PM
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It will all boil down to the line-up Allegri will play. If it's anything similar to the one Mediaset described, I suggest you switch channel.
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post Feb 14 2012, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 14 2012, 01:25 AM) *
Maybe a little bit objectivity doesn't hurt. You see, you're talking about Ambro declining big time already in 2008, while in fact a year from then he played a few of his alltime best performances. I simply think you have a fixation on that guy and make him look even worse then he is.

Don't get me wrong, I know he declined nowadays, just as I know how good he once was. I know he isn't up to being a starter or do things he used to do for us. Still, he's a Milan captain and that earns him respect in my eyes. I don't find it hard to admit he isn't good any more, but I'm not gonna bash him over and over again just because I can.

Sure objectivity would be nice if there wasn't such a game at stake.

Listen, I'm more than ok with Ambro coming on late in games to close it down for us. But starting him here is the dumbest sh!t one can come up with

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 14 2012, 02:29 AM) *
Nah, han is 100% correct. Playing Ambrosini against Arsenal should be the last thing crossing Allegri's mind. The guy has made a mess of small-time opponents, no idea how he could fare against a powerhouse like Arsenal. And besides, what's the idea of playing an Ambro-MvB-Nocerino midfield? All muscle and zero brain. Definitely not the way to go in such important games. I'd rather have Seedorf there dictate the tempo, even though Clarence is no better than Ambro in terms of shape. Those 35 years starting to bulge methinks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Yep

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 14 2012, 09:45 AM) *
Looks like I'm in a minority. I want Ambro to play.

The only person who's more of a big-game player than Ambro is probably only Seedorf (in our current team). I have no delusions about his quality. He is not the kind of player we need when we need a lot of impetus from the mid-field...but he can hold things together really well. Knows every trick in the book, been there and done that. For me he is 10x the captain Gary Neville was.

Playing Ambro along with MvB would enable MvB to focus more on distribution while our third mid-fielder could focus almost completely on creativity. Plus he will guard our flanks letting the fullbacks push on.

And offensively, since it's Arsenal, how can you not have our set-piece heading specialist!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

But needless to say he is 'old' and he has played a lot. If he is not fit he cannot start. He will be terrible.

Sorry Jack, I'd never agree with starting 3 DMs in any type of game. We already overload that midfield with muscles and runners, without even adding that extra DM. But to add him in this game would be ridiculous. Not only that, but you guys are saying that having an extra DM will win us the ball quicker etc, etc. But Ambro has been known to lose the ball much more than recover it. Having him in that midfield just becuase he's a DM will not automatically mean more defensive stability. I fact it would mean more instability due to the fact that we'll be losing the ball as soon as we get it.

Also, I don't get how you can say that Ambro and VB will work together, because they're as incompatible as the famous Gila-Pippo duo upfront if you remember. We've seen them together this season a couple of times, and they're usually one big mess when they're on the pitch together, simply because they like to occupy the same position. Also VB will never give us any sort of quality distribution, neither will Nocerino or "Mr. Chip it to the opposition - Ambrosini"

We absolutely need someone in there who will help us in keeping that possession. Thus Seedorf is an absolute must.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 14 2012, 11:44 AM) *
I don't think there's much problem in going with a hardworking midfield against Arsenal. Off the ball Arsenal really aren't very good, they don't close down particularly well, so luxury players aren't a necessity. Guys that can win the ball back are though.

I know Sagna is back for them, but not sure if Andre Santos is. If not, it'll likely be Mertersacker and Koscielny at CB together - Ibra will have them for breakfast.

We already have 3 hardworkers, that's 2 more than most teams employ in their midfield. And as a lot have pointed out. Just because Ambro is a DM he won't automatically give you defensive stability, as these days, he's more of a jogger, foul instigater and yellow card collecter than a defensive mid.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 14 2012, 12:54 PM) *
You could be right. Goal has a Sanga-Vermaelen-Koscielny-Gibbs back line.

Varmaelen imo is 10 times the CB Mertersacker is. Imo it's more of a loss to us that he got injured, because if he'd stayed fit he would have started and Varmaelen would have most likely played at LB
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Allegri: "Boateng will not play from the start, although tomorrow I could change idea"

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No jokes Max. We need Boa from the start! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
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post Feb 14 2012, 04:34 PM
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Massimiliano Allegri is expecting Zlatan Ibrahimovic to make an impact in the Champions League tie against Arsenal.

Ibra is currently serving a three-match Serie A ban, but he will be available to face the Premiership giants tomorrow.

“Ibra never gives up, not even in training,” the tactician stated on Tuesday afternoon as the Swede looks to lift the European Cup for the first time.

“The Champions League is not an obsession for him though. He’s serene, he’s in form, he’s in good physical and mental shape. He’ll have a great game tomorrow.”

The Rossoneri have been struggling with injuries recently, but Allegri hopes to recover a few big names players for the first leg tie.

“We’ve only had two training sessions since the last game. I still need to see who I’ll have and who will be missing.

“It is important to have Kevin Prince Boateng, Alexandre Pato, Alessandro Nesta and Christian Abbiati back, but it will be hard to see Boateng and Pato from the start.”

Milan went out at this stage to Tottenham last season, but the former Cagliari boss is in confident mood.

“I’m optimistic, very optimistic,” he declared. “We gave too much space to Spurs last season. Not conceding at home will be an advantage.

“We want to do better in the Champions League than we did last year, but that Tottenham tie shouldn’t affect us.

“We know about the strength of Arsenal, they play excellent football, they are an excellent collective with excellent individuals.

“We’ll have to be very alert in defence, but this is not just one game. This will be played over 180 minutes.”

Teenager Stephan El Shaarawy has proved himself in recent weeks and there is a chance that he could make his Champions League debut.

“Stephan is doing really well. He’s growing, but he is just 19 and he has to be allowed to mature even if he has great quality and an eye for goal.”

Seems like he doesn't want to rush them...
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post Feb 14 2012, 05:07 PM
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CALLED UPS VS ARSENAL: Abbiati, Amelia, Abate, Antonini, Bonera, Mesbah, Mexes, Nesta, Thiago Silva, Zambrotta, Ambrosini, Boateng, Emanuelson, Nocerino, Seedorf, Van Bommel, El Shaarawy, Ibrahimovic, Maxi Lopez, Pato, Robinho.
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post Feb 14 2012, 05:14 PM
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I don't think it's right to start Prince and especially Pato either. if they'd played at least 1 game before this, by all means, but now it'd be a desperate move and could backfire badly.
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post Feb 14 2012, 05:15 PM
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It seems to me like not rushing players would be the best course of action, i'd love for El sharaawy to play with Ibra though...
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Boateng has been out for 4 weeks, not 4 months. I see nothing wrong with playing him from the start. Unless you all want to see a Ambro-MvB-Noce-Urby midfield. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Feb 14 2012, 05:54 PM
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Boateng is one of Allegri favorite players, there's no way he would keep him out if he's healthy enough.
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QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Feb 14 2012, 05:54 PM) *
Boateng is one of Allegri favorite players, there's no way he would keep him out if he's healthy enough.


And that's why he'll play him from the start.
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QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Feb 14 2012, 11:15 AM) *
It seems to me like not rushing players would be the best course of action, i'd love for El sharaawy to play with Ibra though...


Me too. El Sharaawy has been playing great and deserves the start. He can always be subbed for Robinho in the second half if we really need it. Although I think it might be best to start Boateng and sub around 65 or 70 for Robinho so can keep the pressure hopefully after we already have a lead.
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post Feb 14 2012, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 14 2012, 02:17 PM) *
Varmaelen imo is 10 times the CB Mertersacker is. Imo it's more of a loss to us that he got injured, because if he'd stayed fit he would have started and Varmaelen would have most likely played at LB

Yeah, Mertersacker is awful. Which is why I was hoping Gibbs was still out. Koscielny is decent when he plays with Vermaelen, it's a good partnership. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 14 2012, 06:44 PM) *
Yeah, Mertersacker is awful. Which is why I was hoping Gibbs was still out. Koscielny is decent when he plays with Vermaelen, it's a good partnership. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Yep, too bad, Ibra would have bullied Per off the pitch. Varmaelen is no push over in that regard though
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Wenger: "Djourou will replace Mertesacker in the central defence. With regard to the rest of the formation, I still haven't decided yet."

source: twitter/@Milanello
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QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Feb 14 2012, 07:39 PM) *
Wenger: "Djourou will replace Mertesacker in the central defence. With regard to the rest of the formation, I still haven't decided yet."

source: twitter/@Milanello

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