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post Nov 10 2011, 12:22 PM
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Tevez gone back to Argentina and not coming back.

Apparently City can sack him, sue him AND retain his rights meaning that he can't sign for another club? If only this would actually happen and he'd be in debt that he likely cant afford to get out of. One can dream.
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post Nov 10 2011, 12:27 PM
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He deserves it now the guy is an absolute joke. Paid all that money, just to play football. He lives the dream of millions let alone the less fortunate than ourselves who can barely afford food.
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post Nov 10 2011, 02:37 PM
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lol @ the Brits hating on the Argie (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Oh noes he's having problems with his club....let's tar and feather him while we're at it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif)
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post Nov 10 2011, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE (drucurl @ Nov 10 2011, 01:37 PM) *
lol @ the Brits hating on the Argie (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Oh noes he's having problems with his club....let's tar and feather him while we're at it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Are you for real, seriously?

I couldn't care less if he was from Argentina, England or Uzbekistan. There are ways to have issues with your club, throwing a paddy and refusing to come on the pitch to play in a CL game isn't one, going AWOL after your initial suspension, whilst getting paid again isn't one.

Good attempt at trolling, I guess...
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post Nov 10 2011, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE (Milan Are Brilliant @ Nov 10 2011, 09:51 AM) *
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Are you for real, seriously?

I couldn't care less if he was from Argentina, England or Uzbekistan. There are ways to have issues with your club, throwing a paddy and refusing to come on the pitch to play in a CL game isn't one, going AWOL after your initial suspension, whilst getting paid again isn't one.

Good attempt at trolling, I guess...

No trolling really just disgusted by the double standards and screwed up priorities.

First of all let me say that I'm not a fan in any way of Tevez or his REPREHENSIBLE actions but you guys never apply the same rules to your own. You have thorough douches in Rooney and Terry acting up all the time but they are fiercely defended at every turn. So Carlos gave some trouble....ok he got punished....but nooo you want to tar and feather his entire reputation (admittedly not much)...why??

Very little was said when Manure was dogging him out but when he acted up in return he was a mercenary.

Luis Figo also refused to come on for Mancini....was he vilified this way? No because despite the action being WRONG on the part of both players there were some extenuating circumstances involved.

Now Tevez said that he didn't refuse to come on and he just didn't want to warm up a third time as he did so twice already...Is he lying? who knows...not me for sure.....BUT I see no need to paint him as the monster you (generaliztion for the English...apologies in advance) have. I see NO reason that Man City's HERO and CAPTAIN last year should be continually punished for what was essentially a misunderstanding....


Then there is the INITIAL hurt....denying the guy his transfer to be with his family....where is the redress for that. give me a break!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

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post Nov 10 2011, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE (drucurl @ Nov 10 2011, 08:44 PM) *
Then there is the INITIAL hurt....denying the guy his transfer to be with his family....where is the redress for that. give me a break!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


Even if I agreed with everything else, I'd have to disagree here. No one put a gun to his head or his family and told Tevez to sign up for 180,000 a week. He did it himself. And apparently the man, wants to leave England coz his misses his family, but he's okay with Inter approaching him?

And please...let's not talk about family like this is the 17th century when Britain to Argentina was a couple of years in a leaking ship patrolled by my namesake.

If he wants he can just bring his family over. He's not the only footballer, hell not the only man employed in a country that's a fair distance away from his homeland. The sad part is, that lots of these people (even in England) work there, away from their families and are too poor to even fly home once a year regularly.

We're supposed to feel sorry for poor little rich kid. He made his bed, now he doesn't want to sleep in it. That's what's happening.

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post Nov 10 2011, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE (drucurl @ Nov 10 2011, 02:14 PM) *
No trolling really just disgusted by the double standards and screwed up priorities.

First of all let me say that I'm not a fan in any way of Tevez or his REPREHENSIBLE actions but you guys never apply the same rules to your own. You have thorough douches in Rooney and Terry acting up all the time but they are fiercely defended at every turn. So Carlos gave some trouble....ok he got punished....but nooo you want to tar and feather his entire reputation (admittedly not much)...why??

Very little was said when Manure was dogging him out but when he acted up in return he was a mercenary.

Luis Figo also refused to come on for Mancini....was he vilified this way? No because despite the action being WRONG on the part of both players there were some extenuating circumstances involved.

Now Tevez said that he didn't refuse to come on and he just didn't want to warm up a third time as he did so twice already...Is he lying? who knows...not me for sure.....BUT I see no need to paint him as the monster you (generaliztion for the English...apologies in advance) have. I see NO reason that Man City's HERO and CAPTAIN last year should be continually punished for what was essentially a misunderstanding....

Then there is the INITIAL hurt....denying the guy his transfer to be with his family....where is the redress for that. give me a break!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

What is it with people putting words into my mouth on here today?

The, as you so eloquently put it 'douches' I don't 'fiercely defend at any given opportunity' to be honest. Do I believe Rooney should have got the same amount of ban for what he did as what Totti did when he spat at someone in the face? No.

Though aside of that I hardly defend him, in fact I was the one this time last year saying that Man City goal wasn't up to the level of Berbatov's v Liverpool, so I guess your logic is flawed as you would have probably put words into my mouth suggesting because he's English I'd support him because of that, as the majority of your post did.

About Terry, I don't think I've defended him? I said if the allegations are false then there should be some repurcussion for Anton Ferdinand... just a note he's English too.

Tevez did wrong? Yes. Though, you do realise he didn't turn up for training the other day when he was supposed to?This was something that happened a few days ago?! We're not talking solely about the substitution incident and this news was the basis of Kurt's post.

How did 'manure' 'dog' him out? They dropped him for a few games you mean? Kind of like Berbatov, Hernandez etc do now? Even Rooney has been dropped before. So you're being 'dogged' out unless you're bigger than the club? Which with anyone with knowledge would realise Fergie wouldn't let happen, as proven with Beckham and Cristiano.

If it was a misunderstanding then why would Man City fine him like 5/6 weeks only getting reduced by the PFA? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

£200k a week, to play football, something that to most players is something they love to do. You're talking about him like he's cleaning crap from the toilet and getting paid £5 an hour. Give me a break.

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 10 2011, 02:32 PM) *
Even if I agreed with everything else, I'd have to disagree here. No one put a gun to his head or his family and told Tevez to sign up for 180,000 a week. He did it himself. And apparently the man, wants to leave England coz his misses his family, but he's okay with Inter approaching him?

If he wants he can just bring his family over. He's not the only footballer, hell not the only man employed in a country that's a fair distance away from his homeland. The sad part is, that lots of these people (even in England) work there, away from their families and are too poor to even fly home once a year regularly.

We're supposed to feel sorry for poor little rich kid. He made his bed, now he doesn't want to sleep in it. That's what's happening.

EXACTLY.
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post Nov 10 2011, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 10 2011, 05:32 PM) *
Even if I agreed with everything else, I'd have to disagree here. No one put a gun to his head or his family and told Tevez to sign up for 180,000 a week. He did it himself. And apparently the man, wants to leave England coz his misses his family, but he's okay with Inter approaching him?

And please...let's not talk about family like this is the 17th century when Britain to Argentina was a couple of years in a leaking ship patrolled by my namesake.

If he wants he can just bring his family over. He's not the only footballer, hell not the only man employed in a country that's a fair distance away from his homeland. The sad part is, that lots of these people (even in England) work there, away from their families and are too poor to even fly home once a year regularly.

We're supposed to feel sorry for poor little rich kid. He made his bed, now he doesn't want to sleep in it. That's what's happening.

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post Nov 10 2011, 11:33 PM
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Oh look drucurl is wrong again.

Man U initially never offered Tevez a contract because he said he was going to retire and that he hated Manchester. He hated it so much he decided to join the other Manchester club. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

When did Rooney or Tevez refuse to do anything that they are paid tonnes of money to do? I must have missed that.

I personally am not hating on him because he's Argie. It does make it more enjoyable though.

EDIT: On the note of hypocrisy, I remember you mentioned that you want Ibra out of Milan and Balotelli in. So you complain about us defending Terry/Rooney (which we haven't) for being bad people in their personal lives. Yet you are happy for Milan to sign a player who is hardly a saint with things he's already done in his very short career.

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post Nov 11 2011, 11:47 AM
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Liverpool Club Focus - Time to drop Downing?


By Mushtaq Quraishi
Tuesday 08 November 2011

Liverpool legend Kenny Dalglish signed a number of players during the summer transfer window, as he aimed to construct a squad with enough depth and quality to compete for a place in the top four in the Premier League. These stars included the likes of Charlie Adam, Craig Bellamy, Stewart Downing, Jordan Henderson and Jose Enrique. While Adam, Bellamy and Enrique and have all shown what they can do in a Reds shirt, young Englishman Henderson and former Aston Villa wide-man Downing have not yet managed to fully convince Liverpool fans that they are the real deal.

Fortunately for Henderson, the highly-rated midfielder has found the net and grabbed an assist since moving to Anfield. Supporters are aware of his talent and are generally willing to give him more time to settle given his young age. However, the same cannot be said for Downing. The 27-year-old winger, who has struck the post on three occasions this season, was not bought as one for the future, but more as a player who could be thrown into the mix immediately and perform well. But the England international has failed to produce the goods so far.

Downing was involved in 14 goals for Villa last season, scoring seven and setting up seven. His ability to find the net, to create chances and to ping in crosses made him an ideal signing for Liverpool, who were seeking the quality, out-and-out wide man they had been missing for several years. Dalglish is yet to see a return on his £20m investment.

The midfielder has not scored or produced any goals for the Reds so far this campaign. And although he has been unlucky at times, many believe that Downing simply does not produce his best consistently enough. So is it time to drop the midfielder for either Craig Bellamy or Maxi Rodriguez?

Several supporters believe that Bellamy has been particularly lively when called upon this season and that the fiery Welshman should now be handed a regular starting spot. Maxi’s name is also beginning to pop up into the argument, particularly after he scored an impressive 10 league goals last season. Both players arguably offer a bigger threat in front of goal than Downing currently does.

But would dropping the winger now simply just dent his confidence? Downing was bought as a first-team player and some fans have commented on his low levels of confidence in recent games. Leaving him out of the starting eleven could possibly further lower his self-belief. Dalglish will have to make a firm decision when the Reds return to action after the international break, particularly ahead of some tough games against the likes of Chelsea and Manchester City.

But for now, Liverpool will go into the next couple of weeks thinking of what could have been. The Reds have dropped points at home against newly-promoted sides in the form of Norwich and Swansea, and if they had converted those draws into wins, Dalglish’s men would currently occupy a Champions League place. But all is not lost yet – there are 81 more points to play for and Liverpool still have plenty of time to meet their targets.

Grass aint always greener now is it, Stewart?

Nearly £100m for Downing, Carroll, Henderson and Suarez.. ouch. Man City spent less than that on Dzeko, Balo, Nasri and Silva!
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 11 2011, 10:47 AM) *
Grass aint always greener now is it, Stewart?

Nearly £100m for Downing, Carroll, Henderson and Suarez.. ouch. Man City spent less than that on Dzeko, Balo, Nasri and Silva!

Suarez looks a snip to be honest even though his attitude is pretty bad in terms of play-acting, but many players are like that these days. The rest have been flops, Downing was good at Villa because teams were scared of Young too, thus they could stretch the pitch, Liverpool don't really have another out and out wide player. I don't think Downing has ever really been capable of being an elite winger on his own.

Henderson could come good to be fair, he has some signs, god knows why they bought him and Adam though. Carroll (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) one ok season in the Premiership doesn't make you a £35m player.
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Still not sold on Suarez. Apparently he has missed more shots than any player in the league this season. Doesn't surprise me too much as of late he's been awful in front of goal.

Agreed on Carroll though. I don't understand why they paid so much. Why not go for someone else? You could get most strikers in World football for that money and they go for him!?
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post Nov 11 2011, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 11 2011, 11:08 AM) *
Still not sold on Suarez. Apparently he has missed more shots than any player in the league this season. Doesn't surprise me too much as of late he's been awful in front of goal.

Agreed on Carroll though. I don't understand why they paid so much. Why not go for someone else? You could get most strikers in World football for that money and they go for him!?

I think his movement is second to none, he's there main attacking threat without a shadow of a doubt now. I don't remember him missing too many glaring opportunities, though I'd be lying if I thought he always made the right decision. On his day though he's one of the best in the EPL for me. Unfortunately, with our TV coverage I watch Liverpool quite a lot and he usually seems he's on his day, on his off days though he's nowhere to be seen.

God knows, makes no sense to be honest. It was footballs version of an impulse buy after Torres went. Though, I guess who could they have gone for? Forlan to reunite the Uruguayan front two? I doubt Aguero would have gone in Jan to be honest. Who else is there, I guess you could make a point for the 6'5 target man Llorente but after the flop of Morientes would Liverpool really have risked millions and millions for someone like him? I'm not sure.
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post Nov 11 2011, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 10 2011, 10:32 AM) *
Even if I agreed with everything else, I'd have to disagree here. No one put a gun to his head or his family and told Tevez to sign up for 180,000 a week. He did it himself. And apparently the man, wants to leave England coz his misses his family, but he's okay with Inter approaching him?

And please...let's not talk about family like this is the 17th century when Britain to Argentina was a couple of years in a leaking ship patrolled by my namesake.

If he wants he can just bring his family over. He's not the only footballer, hell not the only man employed in a country that's a fair distance away from his homeland. The sad part is, that lots of these people (even in England) work there, away from their families and are too poor to even fly home once a year regularly.

We're supposed to feel sorry for poor little rich kid. He made his bed, now he doesn't want to sleep in it. That's what's happening.


Well I don't think we or anyone can judge how Tevez should decide how to care for his family. If he ever left ManCity it's not like it would continue to be their responsibility to pay him so while he was there and playing for them he deserved to get the salary they both agreed to. Also I don't care if he was ok with Inter approaching him. He didn't join Inter. IF Calro ever leaves Man City for another European Club then all complaints are justified. Until then, anything more will be per-judgement and that's something I'm not about to do atm.

The troll below that has an unhelathy obsession with me will be continue ignored as per usual (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Finally Tevez was treated badly by Manure in the earlies. Granted his retaliation when Fergie finally decided to talk to him was unwarranted but as with the ManCity debacle, it wasn't Tevez who struck first.

As for Milan Are Brilliant, I apologize for my generalization and grouping you with the British media that I get flooded with daily. It gets rather annoying (i.e. the pro-English player bias) and I tend to lash out. Again my apologies (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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