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If Seedorf is professor of football, Pirlo is doctor. Pure class, gave a lesson to Seedorf and all our midfield. But again, Haters gonna hate.

You have players of that calibre...you need to be able to make the team cover up for their weaknesses and amplify their strengths.

It seems the way you hear our players speak of him..everyone in the team except Allegri knew what a big loss his departure was.

But no...Allegri don't need skill...all we need is hustle. Coz if we run around hard and huff and puff we shall win.

Well..like the story of the 3pigs and the wolf..not all houses are made of matches or straw. All the huff and puff will not get you through.

@d'Arc: I agree with you on Pirlo's loss... but Seedorf is for me as good as Pirlo. They're different players though. And Seedorf's failure is to do with the fact that Allegri wants to use a Rolls Royce as a towtruck. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

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Pirlo at this point is the better player. Pirlo is younger and is being used properly by his new team. I guess when Pirlo talked about wanting a new challenge he just wanted somewhere were he's appreciated...

As for Seedorf, he's just been run into the ground by Allegri. Just ridiculous how he expect Seedorf, Nesta and VB to play every few days.

I think it's time Seedorf is moved away from that midfield spot. Either play him in the AM position or not at all. Boateng as well is being wasted in a position he has no business playing in.

I just find it funny how some considered Pirlo being left to go to Juve a good thing. So ridiculous, I'll just go read through the posts that were made at the beginning of summer when we were debating which contracts should/should not be renewed and laugh (cry) at some of the comments made in regard to Pirlo vs (Ambro & Rino)

To be fair, Cesare Maldini commented on the Pirlo saga ... He stated that Pirlo was offered a reduced contract value and a tenor of one year ... Pirlo on the other hand demanded more and a 3 year contract. He was also a free agent and Juve presented him with a more lucrative offer than Milan were prepared to offer (key being he wanted a 3 yr contract).

This is becoming worse than the Villa forum I use. Pirlo wants a new challenge, so that's Allegri's fault. Milan weren't willing to match the contract Juve offered, so that's his fault too?

Man...Allegri's fault is that he didn't say "Stop! Pirlo is a priority". He just let that happened. He simply removed Pirlo because he didn't know what to do with him. He's more comfortable with guys like Rino, Nocerino or Bommel. You can see it from his comments also - even when we were searching for our mr. X he used to mention Asamoah or Lass Diarra. And that was before Flamini's injury. The problem is, he didn't realize what he's loosing with Pirlo. It's that simple.

It's ridiculous, really. Allegri does the contrary of how things should be run. I completely agree that Seedorf should be moved as trequartista. If anyone remembers, I firmly said so after the Plzen game. And yes, Boateng needs to be relieved from his attacking duties and play in a role more suited to his abilities.

If Allegri has any brains left, then from the next game onwards, this is how we should be playing:



I think Abbiati has filled the cup. Not only he's been quite disappointing in his saves, but now he's starting to make childish errors. I closed an eye after his howler against Udinese, but what he did last night was simply horrific. Even Dida in his worst moments couldn't match such an amateurish mistake. Give Amelia a chance and see how he fares.

Taiwo should be given priority on the left. He's by far our best leftback. He only needs trust and match fitness. Nesta and Mexes should alter with each other.

Van Bommel should be our only DM. Boateng must be deployed in his natural box-to-box position, where he can give a hand in both defending and attacking. Seedorf must be our trequartista, but he must be rotated. Play Robinho or El Shaarawy every now and then to give him a break.

Only with that system and line-up we can play a more dynamic and offensive football.

So very true. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I don't know why, but Abbiati seems to perform much better when he has someone on his tail. Another goalie vying for his place. That's when his performance level is acceptable, even though he still has a tendency to howl a little - whether a bad pass, or stupid little kick straight to the opposing attacker, and now howlers.

I totally agree, Amelia deserves an extended run, if only to raffle Abbiati's feathers a little bit.

Dida vs. Leeds - remember the first one?

You are right about Abbiati. When he becomes insecure, he tends to drop balls easily. The only thing I'm not confident with is Amelia - I don't think he's first team material; he could easily turn into the next Kalac.

It was raining, so the ball slipped. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)



Yeah, Amelia's not exactly top notch either. But he's reliable, that I'm sure of. He's a world champion after all. Definitely no Kalac.

He sure is better then Kalac, but he ain't first team material either. But we don't have many options left.

He earns 3.5m at Juve. Our other oldies are earning an excess of 4m per season. And I'm talking about Seedorf, Ambro and Rino here. Pirlo would have earned more at Milan. Money never factored into it. Like Filippo said, had Allegri made Pirlo a priority then the club wouldn't have had any problems offering the contract length he requested. Allegri never viewed Pirlo a priority from the start since he deemed him as a defensive liability and wasn;t worth the effort to incorporate him into the system, and now we're seeing the fruits of that labour


That's what Pirlo says, but he was clearly unhappy with the way things were going with Allegri and wasn't willing to stand for it. He's a classy guy so he won't say anything bad about Allegri. But if the challenge was what Pirlo was really after he would have left a few seasons ago, not now.


100% with you. But Allegri is obviously set in his ways, so we'll continue to see Nocerino/Rino on the right, Prince behind the strikers, and Aquilani on the bench

Which is why someone should give him a kick in the butt! His stubbornness is what irritates me the most. Doesn't he watch European football? No top club plays the way we do. It's quite ludicrous to believe that we have a shot at winning the Champions League when we're playing with three defensive midfielders!

This post has been edited by X-Offender: Oct 3 2011, 06:38 PM

God I remember that night.