As stable as they might be, Bayern is a stingy club that rarely even undertakes bidding wars; most of their time they are oriented on the Bundesliga, only the few last years the broke out of that cycle. I stand my ground - Milan could get a Mr. X much sooner then Bayern.


Are you now comparing Monto and Aqua to Pirlo, Kaka and van Bommel? Really? Kaka was cheap because he was young and not yet fully tested, Pirlo because he wasn't yet put in a position comfortable to him and because of the chaotic Inter situation, while van Bommel...well...was running out of contract. Why are those two cheap? One is also running out of contract, but at an age that is different then van Bommel, where real talent or quality would have been sold long before his contract was running out, while Aquilani failed at Liverpool and failed at Juventus (who decided not to pick him up) and has a serious history of injuries.

I never said they're bodies thrown into our team, they are solid player who make the right steps into a the direction of a stronger team, but only a few steps. I don't expect them to bring us to the next level, because they simply can't IMO. It seems to me that you are willing to say that any creative player in Serie A and abroad, no matter if it is Valbuena, Sergio Pinto or any one else would get us to the next level.


I can agree only to an instant, because this is way to simplified. It certainly does not come only to those things. Especially in inter-Serie A or inter-Italian transfers this won't apply.


And yes, cycles last for years. What, you'd expect a cycle last 1 year? Italian football will maybe be able to come back in 5, or 10, or 20 years, I can't tell, but it's normal.


Silvio yes, are you sure about Galliani though?


You see, this is exactly what I've been talking about. You've been blowing things out of proportions. I mean, with such an attitude you are no better then me or R7 who still think of our club as the mighty AC Milan. Because only arrogance can lead you to the conclusion that a elimination against Tottenham, Manchester and Arsenal, and a prior win in the CL final are embarrassments on the grandest scale. The you could say Real Madrid is doing the same even longer then us. In fact, those are set-backs, painful moments of weakness or blows, but going on that far to call us a team that has been embarrassing on the grandest scale is, or was, a title reserved for Inter.


I get you. +1


You know that wasn't meant to be the main point. Sure, Aquilani and Montolivo are better then Brocchi. But, let's forget Brocchi now. Are they closer to being average at best then world class? I think they're much closer to a Flamini then they'll ever be to a Kaka or Rui.


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I guess no one can say who's right unless it occurs, but I stand by what I said. They might be stingy but at least they would have the money to back an offer up, unlike Italian teams.


Oh my. I only compared them to when they came over not the top class players they became. And I'm not even saying that Montolivo and Aquilani will become top class players either. I'm saying the situations would be similar to those players when they were brought in. Pirlo was a failure at Inter, Kaka was an unkown, even though he was a hyped Brazilian, you can never really tell how those signings turn out. I remember people were appaled that Carlo would even try to test Pirlo out in the DM spot, since I remember Ambro was doing well at the time in that position, they thought he'd be a utility player, same goes for Kaka, someone to releive Rui Costa of some of the work load. The VB transfer was different in certain way but the same as others, everyone thought that he'd be an extra DM in the growing pile we were already accumulating, yet he turned out to be an integral part of our Scudetto win.

My point is, that I'm not expecting these players to become huge stars or to turn us into the next Barca, that was never really my point. But if they do adapt well and integrate into our system quickly, then we don't need a star, we already have those, we need low key quality players who will make that extra bit of difference, and that is what Aqui and Monto would offer.


We were champions last season, no one really thinks that we can win the CL just yet, and maybe next summer we can get the star player in to take us to that level. But for now, those extra few steps will enable us to hopefully reatain the title as well as go further in Europe, I don't know about you, but I'd be happy with that. And no I wouldn't be willing to take just anyone, I've always really liked Aquilani, although I do acknowledge that he's never really reached the potential he once alluded to having, I was iffy about Montolivo, but out of the realistic names that we've been linked to, I think he's the best option


I think you glorify certain things too much. I made a point about mentioning foreign players, because imo, that is the way most of them value things. We've seen it happen countless times now


We've been talking about it for years now not just 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or even 5 years. Serie A has been going down for a long time now. While other leagues continue to move ahead. 20 years from now? Maybe, no one can tell. But until then I don't see any plans for improvement being made, so I wouldn't discount the possibility that the French league will overtake Serie A by that time


I'm going to take a wild gues and say that he knew. Galliani only spends money with the full consent and approval of Silvio, I'm 100% sure of this (we've seen the cissokho debacle (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ). So if Silvio didn't want Galliani to spend any money, then we wouldn't have see the Shaarawy deal go through, not in a million year would Silvio consent to such money being spent on an unkown kid, especially when he knew the financial situation he was in. I really don't believe that he would keep Galliani in the dark about such things since he handles the club finances


When I said on the grandest scale, that was to imply the CL, not the size of the emberassment (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

However, all the exits were emberassing, and I never said that Real's have been dignified (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) The fact here is that ever since we went out to Arsenal it has been one humiliation after the other in Europe, losing the way we did to Man U was horrifying imo, and should never be happening to us. And yes I do hold Milan in as high as standards as you guys do, wanting Montolivo and Aquilani does not make me less of a Milan fan. I know what we're capable of and what is unrealistic expectations. And imo, retaining the title and doing better in the CL is what we're capable of should we bring in suitable players for our midfield, if not we'll struggle to retain the title, while I don't have any false hopes of winning the CL. In the next 2-3 seasons


I don't believe that, I think they're somewhere in the middle, they're good, solid players, which imo, is what we need to achieve the goals we've set out. Galliani can talk about the CL all he wants, but he's just BSing, he knows we're not there yet, and splashing all our money on one star still won't get us there imo.

How could I loose you? Broochi is an average-good player at what he does. Just like Aquilani or Montolivo, sure they have different attributes, but that does not mean they are any better. Had both players been all that you are claiming, why hasn’t Madrid, City, United, Barca, FFS Juventus, Roma, Genoa, anyone Getafe come sniffing about.

First delusional.. Now illogical … Milan bringing in a quality player ! God forbids it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)
There is something called faith, have a little of that when you sit and dwell about how bad our midfield situation is. You want realistic? Realistic is the track-record of this club bringing in high-quality players to win for you, however you never seem to give the benefit of the doubt. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Running around up and down this thread stating we wont win without them? Please, and hell-no! They wont be starters if we bring in a quality midfielder.

My point is, why are you making everything seem so dramatic? Wait till August 31st, then you can set torches on fire, surely that would be much more fun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

yup (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

i'm not happy with just kaka and montolivo

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Aug 15 2011, 05:06 PM

U still positive they both are coming

Yeah kaka will come and either we'll get montolivo now ----- or ------ aqualani now and montolivo in january.


But thats not enough.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Aug 15 2011, 06:11 PM

Why in January? I expect him to come in Summer then.

news:


“We are closely following a midfielder from France, who is a phenomenon,” - Braida


-Ibra has called on Milan to sign more players.


"Cassano will stay. I have no doubts, and neither does the entire club." - Allegri


-Carolina (kaka's wife) has come out and said that she will be house shopping in Milan next week and if possible she'd like to work for Armani again.


-talks have broken down in regards to the 3 way swap for montolivo as veloso does not want to leave genoa. Milan is now proposing a zambrotta and montolivo swap.


-Galliani has said in an interview that our squad is fine as it is and we do not need more players. He also said If Kaka were to join Milan, it would only be on a permanent transfer.


-Drogba has come out and said that he has no intention of leaving chelsea and that he wants to finish his career there. He is looking to sign an extention.






Inter stuff:

-Eto to Anzhi is looking like it will happen.

-Sneijder is also on the verge of moving to manchester.

-Tevez's agent has landed in Milan to begin talks.

-Inter are now after aqualani as well.


MN/TMW/CM

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Aug 15 2011, 06:34 PM

Cuz in January his contract expires in 6 months so we'll pay fiorentina 2 or 3m and get him. Like we did with Emanuelson.

Reduced price. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Fiorentina will be desperate to sell him then as his contract will run out in 6 months time in January. They are trying to get 10m at least now, while we know we can lure the player out either fore free of for peanuts. To be honest, I rather liked Fiorentina and how they bought Gilardino from us.

I'd probably buy Monty for 6-7 million now, and have it as a win-win for all parties involved.

Big head slap (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I'd be happy with Kaka and Aquilani and Montolivo coming in January, I'd also be happy with Montolivo and Aquilani. But we are certainly not fine as we are

R7, I have a monster post coming your way (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Where does that guy Braida come up with all that crap? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


You keep calling him that, he's not some water product, his name is Aquilani.

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Haha, Olives and water - mostly make people sick when combined, didn't you know?

I have to (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) at you comparing them to Brocchi. Didn't Liverpool spend 20m on Aquilani? They loaned him because he got injured a lot and didn't manage to adapt to the EPL, like most Italians fail to do, so nothing special there. Montolivo has had ups and downs at Fiorentina, and he's known for disappearing in the big matches, but then again the same could be said for Fabregas. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Again, I never said you're delusional. I always agreed to an exent with what you said, I just didn't find it logical due to our current circumstances. Huge difference there. And a big fat OH PLEASE to the bolded part. Just because a troubled Robinho and Zlatan came in last season does not discount the recent history of the (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) "Mega" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) deals Galliani has pulled off. Are you talking about bringing in Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, getting ripped off for Zambrotta, Becks, Brocchi, Emerson, Oliveira, etc, etc the list could go on. That has become the reality of our situation. Zlatan and Robinho were massive coupes and Galliani deserves the credit for them, but you have to take into account their situations with their previous clubs, plus we had to make some kind of big moves after 3 dire seasons for the club in both the league and the CL.

I stand by what I say, I believe we will struggle without a new injection of brains into our midfield. Take into consideration that last season Inter were horrible in the first half under Rafa, yet almost managed to over take us, not to mention our toughest competition were Napoli. Next season will be different, and resting on our laurels and going into the season as we are will not help us in the title race.

The main point here is that you guys don't rate either Aquilani or Montolivo, while I do. I believe that they can help us to improve next season, while you don't. And personally I'd rather have them then not, while you would prefer that we go into the season as we are if they are our only options, and that is what I find illogical.