I don't know how much of that is true, because I haven't read or heard anything about it in the Italian media today. Nevertheless, if it is true, then it's a clear fall from grace from Ricky boy. Begging us to get him back, when he could have easily declined Madrid's offer in the first place.



Silverware comes before values and class. If you have both, as in our case, then it's perfect. If you have only silverware, it's still OK. But if you have only values and class, I doubt anyone would care about you. For all we know, Albinoleffe could be a very respectful club, but does anyone care? Silverware is what makes a club important, not class. And I want Milan to continue remaining a successful and important club, by starting winning trophies again. With or without Ibrahimovic matters little to me. But if he's giving a big hand in the said aspect, then I'd greet him from the bottom of my heart.

This post has been edited by X-Offender: Mar 19 2011, 02:47 AM

So basically you're saying you wouldn't support a club unless you had bragging rights?

He never said anything like that.

He basically said he'd rather Milan have success than be classy and I agree 100%.

Ah okay. Well....to each his own.

Exactly.

I can't take anyone seriously who says they support Milan because of their class. Had they not won all these trophies under Silvio, the majority of people on here wouldn't support Milan in the first place. If it is all about class, then why not some other club? There's plenty of classy clubs out there, so why pick Milan?

As X-Off says, for all we know some lower league teams are just as classy as Milan, but we don't know. Why? Because nobody cares. They aren't on tv, they don't win things, they don't have flashy players. Outside of the city very few people will care about their club. It sounds disrespectful, in fact it is disrespectful, but it's true. I would say Villa are a pretty classy club. Our players are all linked with charities and the club make them do numerous events during the year and we recently gave up our shirt sponsor to create awareness for a local charity for 2 years. We also have a chairman that says nothing to the media rather than getting himself all over the papers and news all the time.. am I happy? Am I ****. I want to win. It's been 15 years since we last won anything and whilst it's all well and good that we're though of as a nice club, I just want to win something!

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Mar 19 2011, 07:48 PM

I supported Milan because of Maldini. I didn't even know what he'd won then. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

And I support Newcastle in EPL....and it's not like they won anything ever since I started watching them. oh well...League One champs...I guess. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

So then it's nothing to do with class, Newcastle have been about the least classy club in the country for a number of decades. You followed it because of Maldini but had no idea what Milan had won.. yet you knew how classly the club was? How exactly?

I'm not going to lie, I support Milan because of Sheva. Had he not been a great player on a good team, I highly doubt I would have grown any attachment to Milan at all.

Yeah, I think some of us started supporting Milan this way too. Not so much of class or success but a player you admire, a player you grow watching. That's how I became attached to AC Milan.

Milan is a club that is widely supported. Some of the fans are sentimental, some football philosophers, some of them gloryhunters. It's reality.

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But X-Offs point still remains. The only reason the club is widely supported is because they're successful, not classy. It's easy to become sentimental after support a top club. I could just as easy sit here and say it's because of classy guys like Paolo, Billy and Franco, etc.

Actually, no. It isn't. But it's just like I've said in my earlier post.

If you say so. But I'm talking more about people on this forum, than the whole fanbase. And judging by the ages of the majority of this forum, most either weren't born or wouldn't exactly be avid tv watchers before Milan were successful.

Yes, there is a difference between supporting a successful team and supporting a team because of their success.. But even with the former, I don't think alot on here would support Milan had they been unsuccessful - like X-Off says, it's the reason people on here don't support classy Serie C teams instead.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Mar 20 2011, 03:36 PM

I don't think anyone can argue that they know about Milan because they were successful, the only one's I'd really let off are the ones who were born near Milan. I guess compared to other major clubs they are a lot more respectful, I mean you look at Madrid/Barca, Chelsea/Liverpool etc the club is nothing like that.

If Milan never won the European Cups or Scudetto and resided in the Serie B all their existence etc are you telling me this board would be so popular because they have good ethics? There are clubs with just as good ethics all over the world, yet we don't know about them because they aren't successful or anywhere near as.

Like it or not Milan are a massive club, arguably bigger than everyone bar Madrid in terms of history. It would be like someone supporting Barca now and then saying solely it's down to when they ran the Unicef campaign, I mean how many truely would believe that? Many on here got into Milan because of Maldini, Van Basten, Kaka, Shevchenko, whatever the age range, these are massive, world-class players still.

It's good if you know the history/ethics of a club and there's a difference between being a glory supporter and following a team, a big difference in my mind. I mean for a start you wouldn't have much glory in the last few years and they've probably all gone to support Inter as their Italian team now anyway.