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post Mar 12 2011, 05:34 PM
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Robinho is still a usefull team player, but he's not what Milan needs. He's a nice bonus to have around, and I think he'd be a great bench player, but he's not first team material.

Sadly, we don't have many options, and Oduamadi isn't one.
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post Mar 12 2011, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 12 2011, 05:34 PM) *
Robinho is still a usefull team player, but he's not what Milan needs. He's a nice bonus to have around, and I think he'd be a great bench player, but he's not first team material.

Sadly, we don't have many options, and Oduamadi isn't one.



Robinho is a good player , but he just isnt one that can make a difference during a game.

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post Mar 12 2011, 06:26 PM
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I still think we haven't seen the real Robinho yet. Remember Eto'o last season at Inter. He did decent enough, but he wasn't determinant in Inter's success. This season, they can't do without him. Robinho could very well be another player next season. Let's not jump to conclusions yet.
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post Mar 12 2011, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE (Nova @ Mar 12 2011, 07:58 PM) *
Robinho is a good player , but he just isnt one that can make a difference during a game.


He is a good player indeed, his work rate is admired very much ... But yeah, he is not a good controller of the ball, and hence he is not a player to look to when the going gets tough.
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post Mar 12 2011, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Mar 12 2011, 09:11 PM) *
I just can't get my head wrapped around a striker with no finishing/control/airial prowess as easily as you.
Btw his peek was at pre-City IMO. I can't understand how overrated a player he is and how much he cost us...

This. A 100 times over. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Robinho is, and always will be a dud. A difference maker he is not, and him being a discard is the biggest reason he is playing for us. Same holds true for quite a few new players we signed up recently, players who did not cut or were past it, and Galliani got them in on cheap.

I can potentially name a dozen attackers who we could have gone for instead of this whaler, 18 million would have got us much more exotic choices, from Rossi to Nilmar and friends. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Having said that, I am not ungrateful for him being here, I always thought of him as the first choice backup to our attacking combo, something to bring on from the bench with not much noticeable dip in quality. And he has done okay up till now in the league (terrible in the CL, though), but his displays are no way near the hype/cost/hoopla. The two biggest reasons he played so much are:

1) R80 got shown the door,
2) Our savior Ibra is not compatible with Pato, and vice versa.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 12 2011, 10:26 PM) *
I still think we haven't seen the real Robinho yet. Remember Eto'o last season at Inter. He did decent enough, but he wasn't determinant in Inter's success. This season, they can't do without him. Robinho could very well be another player next season. Let's not jump to conclusions yet.

And who knows, maybe we won't ever. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Having followed and observed Robinho for years, I know his limitations, and what he is capable of. For him to bring his A+ game he'll have to play like he did 6-8 years back. A lot of people in Brazil think of him as someone who failed to live up to his full talent/potential. The keyword being full. And besides, Eto still was more than decent enough in his first season. Can't really compare him with Robinho.

But all said and done, you are right, let's not jump to absolute conclusions yet. Still the guy has a lot to do, starting with improving his finishing. Tenfold.

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Mar 12 2011, 10:39 PM) *
He is a good player indeed, his work rate is admired very much ... But yeah, he is not a good controller of the ball, and hence he is not a player to look to when the going gets tough.

True, that's one way to put it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But still, I fail to see any signs of improvement. Neither to his ball control or finishing. And that's worrisome, IMO.
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post Mar 12 2011, 07:44 PM
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To me, Eto'o is overall a much better player.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 12 2011, 11:44 PM) *
To me, Eto'o is overall a much better player.

Agreed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Big difference, one is proven, other still has a lot to prove. Weird thing is that both have loads of natural talent, I would be inclined to put both in A+ when it comes to raw talent and skills.
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post Mar 12 2011, 08:08 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 12 2011, 11:34 AM) *
Robinho is still a usefull team player, but he's not what Milan needs. He's a nice bonus to have around, and I think he'd be a great bench player, but he's not first team material.

Sadly, we don't have many options, and Oduamadi isn't one.

they are the same type player, and long term i feel odu can offer alot, i doubt he will get a chance, but he's got talent, and lots of it.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 12 2011, 12:26 PM) *
I still think we haven't seen the real Robinho yet. Remember Eto'o last season at Inter. He did decent enough, but he wasn't determinant in Inter's success. This season, they can't do without him. Robinho could very well be another player next season. Let's not jump to conclusions yet.

We haven't seen the real him? So then he *isn't* peeking? Which one is it? BTW i would take 1 eto'o over 3 Robinhos, There's not even the slightest of resemblance in class.
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post Mar 12 2011, 11:13 PM
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Robinho is a good and useful player to have as long as we don't have to rely on his finishing abilities...
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post Mar 12 2011, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Mar 12 2011, 11:13 PM) *
Robinho is a good and useful player to have as long as we don't have to rely on his finishing abilities...

But problem is, there's not much he can offer anyway. Is his passing great? No, Cassano's is far superior. Is his speed in decline? Well, yes. And what about his creativity? Also questionable.

The player with his abilities and skill should be a good finisher, but unfortunately Robinh isn't one.
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post Mar 12 2011, 11:48 PM
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I disagree with most of you.

Many see Robinho's misses, but his contribution not so much. In my opinion, Robinho is one of the reasons why we are top of the table. I disagree with the one saying Robinho doesn't make the difference in a game. He does, just not as eye catching as a good day from Pato for example. No, Robinho is important for us by linking midfield and attack well and also contributing in defending, by have a great movement, also having pace, and a lot of energy, and a very well work rate. He is the best passer in the final 3rd this season of all Serie A players, so say stats, as in completed passes. Robinho makes Milan better, his importance is not always easy to notice. Whenever we played without Robinho this season, I notice how much Robinho is needed. Though, I think Boateng might be a good alternative. Hopefully always one of them play. Robinho has a great understanding with players/Zlatan also. He is awesome; he has been so important for us this season. Shame his finishing is often disappointed, but that's nothing compared to what he gives us.
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post Mar 12 2011, 11:55 PM
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Good post.

I await the "he only scores and assists against bad teams.." arguement.
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post Mar 13 2011, 01:47 AM
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QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Mar 12 2011, 09:08 PM) *
they are the same type player, and long term i feel odu can offer alot, i doubt he will get a chance, but he's got talent, and lots of it.


I'll never understand this obsession of yours with Oduamadi. We've only seen him play in the pre-season games, and frankly, he was anonymous in most of them.

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Mar 12 2011, 09:08 PM) *
We haven't seen the real him? So then he *isn't* peeking? Which one is it? BTW i would take 1 eto'o over 3 Robinhos, There's not even the slightest of resemblance in class.


Seriously? The Robinho of Real Madrid was a breathtaking player. His speed and finishing were top notch. I kinda lost track of him when he moved to Manchester, but then again, he was Brazil's best player in the World Cup. That's why I say we should give him time before we make a final judgement.

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Mar 13 2011, 12:48 AM) *
I disagree with most of you.

Many see Robinho's misses, but his contribution not so much. In my opinion, Robinho is one of the reasons why we are top of the table. I disagree with the one saying Robinho doesn't make the difference in a game. He does, just not as eye catching as a good day from Pato for example. No, Robinho is important for us by linking midfield and attack well and also contributing in defending, by have a great movement, also having pace, and a lot of energy, and a very well work rate. He is the best passer in the final 3rd this season of all Serie A players, so say stats, as in completed passes. Robinho makes Milan better, his importance is not always easy to notice. Whenever we played without Robinho this season, I notice how much Robinho is needed. Though, I think Boateng might be a good alternative. Hopefully always one of them play. Robinho has a great understanding with players/Zlatan also. He is awesome; he has been so important for us this season. Shame his finishing is often disappointed, but that's nothing compared to what he gives us.


Bravo! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif)
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post Mar 13 2011, 03:39 AM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Mar 12 2011, 10:48 PM) *
I disagree with most of you.

Many see Robinho's misses, but his contribution not so much. In my opinion, Robinho is one of the reasons why we are top of the table. I disagree with the one saying Robinho doesn't make the difference in a game. He does, just not as eye catching as a good day from Pato for example. No, Robinho is important for us by linking midfield and attack well and also contributing in defending, by have a great movement, also having pace, and a lot of energy, and a very well work rate. He is the best passer in the final 3rd this season of all Serie A players, so say stats, as in completed passes. Robinho makes Milan better, his importance is not always easy to notice. Whenever we played without Robinho this season, I notice how much Robinho is needed. Though, I think Boateng might be a good alternative. Hopefully always one of them play. Robinho has a great understanding with players/Zlatan also. He is awesome; he has been so important for us this season. Shame his finishing is often disappointed, but that's nothing compared to what he gives us.

totally agree, great post!
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Mar 12 2011, 10:48 PM) *
I disagree with most of you.

Many see Robinho's misses, but his contribution not so much. In my opinion, Robinho is one of the reasons why we are top of the table. I disagree with the one saying Robinho doesn't make the difference in a game. He does, just not as eye catching as a good day from Pato for example. No, Robinho is important for us by linking midfield and attack well and also contributing in defending, by have a great movement, also having pace, and a lot of energy, and a very well work rate. He is the best passer in the final 3rd this season of all Serie A players, so say stats, as in completed passes. Robinho makes Milan better, his importance is not always easy to notice. Whenever we played without Robinho this season, I notice how much Robinho is needed. Though, I think Boateng might be a good alternative. Hopefully always one of them play. Robinho has a great understanding with players/Zlatan also. He is awesome; he has been so important for us this season. Shame his finishing is often disappointed, but that's nothing compared to what he gives us.


while I agree with most of what you have said, I would say Robinho is not full team material for Milan. He is a great player to inject as a sub. Unless he can improve on his finishing and sometimes the dismal corner kicks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif) he belongs to the bench.
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