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> CL - Round of Last 16 - Tottenham - Milan (2nd leg), Date: 09/03/11 Time: 19:45 GMT 1st Leg: 1-0 Spurs

 
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post Mar 10 2011, 08:36 AM
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QUOTE (drucurl @ Mar 10 2011, 07:28 AM) *
[*]Have we beaten any quality opposition?

Inter? Napoli?

How many quality teams have we played exactly?

QUOTE (drucurl @ Mar 10 2011, 07:28 AM) *
[*]Do we REALLY need a squad of superstars to beat Tottenham?

They finished 4th in the EPL and are in the last 8 of the CL. Does this not suggest they're a pretty good team? They play long ball all game long which can be quite difficult to cope with since Crouch fouls all game.

QUOTE (drucurl @ Mar 10 2011, 07:28 AM) *
[*]If we do....do we need a squad full of super stars to score a single goal? Can you name the goalscorers from Wolves?

Wolves didn't beat Spurs. One goal was a penalty, 2 were Gomes making a mistake. I fail to see how which players we have makes a difference on their defenders giving away a penalty/keeper making a mistake.

QUOTE (drucurl @ Mar 10 2011, 07:28 AM) *
[*]Has our squad and depth improved dramatically improved this year?

Yes. But then most of that depth and quality was injured/unable to play last night.

QUOTE (drucurl @ Mar 10 2011, 07:28 AM) *
[*]Is it conceivable that Ronaldinho might have been of assistance vs such a tight defensive team?

You can never know,, but he'd have been more of a negative slowing the game down in attacking positions.

QUOTE (drucurl @ Mar 10 2011, 07:28 AM) *
[*]What exactly is our attacking strategy other than mindlessly pressing?

I don't even get this question. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

QUOTE (drucurl @ Mar 10 2011, 07:28 AM) *
[*]Pato doesn't play well he rides the bench...what about iBra?
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We have players who can replace Pato. Who's replacing Ibra?

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post Mar 10 2011, 08:59 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 10 2011, 03:36 AM) *
Inter? Napoli?
An under strength Inter and an overrated Napoli *cough*cough*Villareal's b!tch anyone?

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 10 2011, 03:36 AM) *
How many quality teams have we played exactly?
Real, Juve (when they weren't CRAP), Roma (see Juve comment) and Spurs
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 10 2011, 03:36 AM) *
They finished 4th in the EPL and are in the last 8 of the CL. Does this not suggest they're a pretty good team? They play long ball all game long which can be quite difficult to cope with since Crouch fouls all game.
OMG 4th in the EPL?? Wow. Scary (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 10 2011, 03:36 AM) *
Wolves didn't beat Spurs. One goal was a penalty, 2 were Gomes making a mistake. I fail to see how which players we have makes a difference on their defenders giving away a penalty/keeper making a mistake.
Didn't say they beat Spurs only that they scored THREE (3) goals more than we could manage. The reason for asking the goal scorers is that there's NO way the Wolves team could EVER be superior to Milan....but this n00b coach has us playing with this small team mentality where Milan fans are actually scared of any decent opposition.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 10 2011, 03:36 AM) *
Yes. But then most of that depth and quality was injured/unable to play last night.
LOLZ a team with the players that played last night needed Emmanuelson, Cassano and Van Bommel....yeah sure!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 10 2011, 03:36 AM) *
You can never know,, but he'd have been more of a negative slowing the game down in attacking positions.
What we needed more than anything was a supply to the forwards and he's still the best....nobody slowed the game down more than iBra last night
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 10 2011, 03:36 AM) *
I don't even get this question. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
its not your fault you're in the wrong forum anyway (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 10 2011, 03:36 AM) *
We have players who can replace Pato. Who's replacing Ibra?
Just imagine...a strategy that doesn't involve using iBra...sounds crazy doesn't it?
Well Allegri seems to think so anyway....so we'll keep using him till he can't walk....no matter he'll still be screaming at everyone who doesn't play the way he wants (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Mar 10 2011, 09:03 AM
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What kurt said.

While Ibra provides a tactical outlet that Pato or Cassano or Robinho doesn't. He's the ONLY forward we've got who doesn't require the ball to be played to his feet to do something with it.

We had lots of attacking strategy. The fullbacks putting in crosses..Boateng's power. Midfield making runs etc. But tell me what exactly you define by attacking strategy.

We needed to play a perfect game, but we didn't. We failed to take our chances. If Robinho had played instead of his lousy twin Canfinishinho( thanks Z.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) we wouldn't be complaining.

Will Ronaldinho have been of assistance, was the only non-Allegri/Ibra-hate based question you've truly asked and the answer is BOTH.

He'd have made passes and runs that Boateng can only jerk off to in his dreams. Seedorf would have had an amazing outlet for creativity.

But we would have gotten prison-F@cked down the left flank with Lennon running wild...coz the Boa and Janku really pulled a number on that side. Something R80 wouldn't have done.

It's fast becoming my belief that modern football cannot have more than 2 players who do absolutely no tracking back.


As for depth, if we had Pirlo back....we'd be in the QFs. Enough said. Did you see that bench?? What depth were you talking about?
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post Mar 10 2011, 09:10 AM
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As for the comebacks, Udinese crosses my mind first.

Can't belive we're making now Leonardo better then Allegri. Gee, the man lead us to two of the most humiliating moments of our entire modern history!

No...it simply cannot fall on the sholders of Allegri.
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post Mar 10 2011, 09:25 AM
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Oh puhleeze. Last night was not on Allegri. It was just not having the players ready.
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QUOTE (drucurl @ Mar 10 2011, 07:59 AM) *
(on naming quality opposition) Spurs


QUOTE (drucurl @ Mar 10 2011, 07:59 AM) *
(when I call Spurs quality opposition) OMG 4th in the EPL?? Wow. Scary (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

So are Spurs quality or not, make your mind up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Though I'm beginning to see why you've been banned on another forum lately. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Mar 10 2011, 09:31 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 10 2011, 01:57 PM) *
So are Spurs quality or not, make your mind up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Though I'm beginning to see why you've been banned on another forum lately. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Nah! R&B is a weird place.

He has very strong unpopular opinions, but in general dru doesn't flout too many guidelines. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I know worse. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Myself included. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

However I believe in R&B having strong unpopular opinion warrants you get banned. At least from Miz's and dru's experience.
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post Mar 10 2011, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Mar 10 2011, 04:25 AM) *
Oh puhleeze. Last night was not on Allegri. It was just not having the players ready.
lolz who's job is it to get the players ready? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)
Oh and whoever mentioned Udinese as one of the teams we came from behind to defeat....that game ended 4-4 so to date we still haven't come from behind to beat ANYONE. I'm really surprised at how strongly this guy is being defended. Clearly I'm missing something. And I'm not being sarcastic in any way about it it's just from my standpoint I think he's massively overrated and under performing.....just like iBra.
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post Mar 10 2011, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 10 2011, 04:27 AM) *
So are Spurs quality or not, make your mind up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Though I'm beginning to see why you've been banned on another forum lately. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
It's easy....in one light Spurs are NOT quality opposition in terms of
1)prestige
2)overall caliber of players ("the team on paper")
3)team ranking in the league

However to us they stood in the way of qualifying for progression in the CL so they are an important (hence my wrongly chosen choice of the word "quality") opponent.

Yeah I know you have your friends on R&B....really I think you guys should get your own forum instead of flooding yet another Milan forum with your EPL propaganda. All I can say is that it's truly a sad day when iBra is called "king iBra" in a team with someone like Nesta. Enjoy your protected life on R&B...who knows maybe you can incite the mods here against me too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 10 2011, 10:37 AM) *
I fail to see how I was being childish but fine.

By blaming Pato for Robinho's big miss! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

No one else here seems to agree with you on that since they all mentioned Robinho's poor finishing.

Anyway...
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post Mar 10 2011, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE (drucurl @ Mar 10 2011, 08:48 AM) *
Yeah I know you have your friends on R&B....really I think you guys should get your own forum instead of flooding yet another Milan forum with your EPL propaganda. All I can say is that it's truly a sad day when iBra is called "king iBra" in a team with someone like Nesta. Enjoy your protected life on R&B...who knows maybe you can incite the mods here against me too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

None of this makes any sense.

1) I hate Harry Redknapp more than anyone on here.
2) I hate Tottenham more than anyone on here, with the exception of Locke.
3) I've never been on R&B in my life.

You either have me mistaken for someone else or you're being very paranoid.

@Zed. I'm not getting into this again. You think it was a good pass from Pato, I don't. That's it. I don't think having a different opinion than you makes me childish, regardless.
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 10 2011, 05:01 AM) *
None of this makes any sense.

1) I hate Harry Redknapp more than anyone on here.
2) I hate Tottenham more than anyone on here, with the exception of Locke.
3) I've never been on R&B in my life.

You either have me mistaken for someone else or you're being very paranoid.
My bad. Mistook you for a Villa fan I crossed swords with a couple times at R&B. You sound exactly like him and I'm thinking what are the odds that different Villa fans live on various Milan forums. My apologies. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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QUOTE (drucurl @ Mar 10 2011, 09:08 AM) *
My bad. Mistook you for a Villa fan I crossed swords with a couple times at R&B. My apologies. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Fair enough, no worries.
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You think it was a good pass from Pato


I think it was a big miss from Robinho. that's it.
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dru has a point, one that I agree with mostly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) The biggest blame (not all of it, though) must fall on Allegri's shoulders. The guy has overworked Ibra, went in with the wrong players/formation, and generally seems to not have a plan to unlock very tight defenses. In other words he did most of the stuff right, but never once did the guy made a tactical masterstroke to really stamp his authority as a coach. You can call it vanilla-tactics if you want, when we needed strawberry or mango flavored ones.

Playing all three (Ibra, Robinho and Pato) up front, with not a creative soul behind them? Yeah. Who's gonna pass to the guys who are gonna score. Maybe hold Ibra up for the second half with the tired defenses, give Robinho (the forward who doesn't want to score goals) a more laid back role behind the strikers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Try something different for Pete's sake, disrupt the opposition's plans.

And did I mention the absolutely stupid last ten or so minutes in the first leg when he should just have closed shop instead of inviting a lethal counter attack? With the slow CB pairing? Against a fast, fast team? For all it's worth the tie was pretty much 90% over in the first leg. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) This is not a Milan of 2006-07 or before that, when even giving away two goals at home, one would expect to turn the deficit into something positive away.

It's moments like this when all the chips are down that a coach is require to step up. When everything is going your way, the players take the steering, but in situations like these (with players missing or ineligible, 1 away goal to the worse, and all that) should a coach take the reins, do something out of the ordinary to surprise the other team. And never underestimate the power of fresh legs taking on tiring ones after the 60 minutes. That's a surprising factor right there, one of the oldest tricks in the book.

Allegri tried to play it safe and hoped for the best. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) It rarely works this way in crucial knockout CL games.
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