Sorry if you got offended by that but I just had to say it because I know how this will go, we'll go back and forth when we both know that (I won't say like) I trust the player, while you don't trust him over others.

Alo mentioning Carlo and Domenech in that sentence is a flawed argument, Domenech had an agenda against players who played in Italy, it's why Mexes rarely got a call under him as well. Carlo loved the old gaurd of Rino and Ambro and would have never benched either of them for the new comer. Leo usually used 1 DM and last season Ambro was not someone he would have benched because he was in probably the best form of his career. When he needed another DM on Flamini was the one on. Allegri has played Flamini when he's fit most of the time, I wouldn't say that he's passed him by.

Again sorry if I offended you, I usually get the same stick when I don't kiss Ambo's @ss, because I never really liked him as a player or rated him so it seems like my argument isn't even valid, and when you talk about Flamini it just seems that way as well

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Yes, I get it. Thing is, I get irritated by him, because IMO he's simply doing to much and ends up either invisible or yellow carded. I agree with most of the things @Milan is brilliant said, but I hope it still can change. Just that I belive this year is his last chances. Ambro and Rino's careers slightly fade and he's made better performances this season, but overall, if we want to establish a winning team and if Flamini doesn't show up consistently, we should get a proper italian DM, Serie A has plenty of them who are quality.

No harm done, everything okay (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I've seen Fillippo criticize players like Flamini, Boateng and Robinho this season, and at the same time praise corpses like Oddo, Gattuso and Ambrosini. Sorry man, I have nothing against you, but I think most of the time it's just your feelings talking.

Well, football is mostly feelings. Sorry, don't tell me it's a science or I'll... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif) instantly.
I think you all get me wrong, my criticism is mostly because I want to put some light on the other side of the medail. And there's always one. According to some here, Ambro, Rino or Oddo are obsolete and old and therefore useless, while Boateng, Flamini or Abate should be put on a pedestal and celebrated because of their youth. Well, I don't think it's that simple.

Well, that's mostly because Abate, Flamini and Boateng are in fact better than Oddo, Gattuso and Ambrosini nowadays. I know you'll disagree, but I'm sure most of us will concur about that.

Let's have it your way...

Abate is so mediocre it's laughable that he plays for Milan. He's an athlete, he can run very fast, but as a footballer he's just bad.

I'd pick Oddo ahead of him and I don't rate Oddo.

Or let's not. Look, maybe they are momentarily. But I don't forget what they are or were capable to do. And within these parameters Oddo is and always will be better then Abate, Ambrosini the Flamini and Gattuso then Boateng. It's stupid to compare them. You cannot compare giants with work-in-progress beings. And yes, I prefer them over the mentioned ones. And I still rate them, unlike some here. I perfer Marco van Basten over Ibrahimovic anyday too.

But did I ever state anywhere this season Ambrosini or Gattuso should be indesputable starters? I just play down the hype around Flamini and Boateng, because in my eyes and with my experience they are far from being fix starters.
While Thiago for example has done amazing good stuff and surely is a fix starter, like Pato should be (when in form) played logicaly before Pippo.

Like han mentioned, Flamini was one of our better players this season before he got injured. Boateng had an outstanding two months after a difficult start. They've done much better than Gattuso and Ambrosini, and thus they should be starters. Plain, simple logic. We're talking about the present, not the past. Then, if you fail to see the good in any of them, well, that's your problem.

Read my posts better. The last sentence was not neccesary, but you had to make it clever, didn't you?

For the last time - yes, so far they've done good in some periods. And yes, both should be put infront Rino and Ambro. But does that solve our midfield problem? I don't think so.

Yes, it does. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Only Pirlo will solve our problem. Flamini, Rino, Ambro and Boateng are all the backup to Pirlo's simphony, without them it won't be good but without Pirlo it just does not work at all. Until we get him back we'll continue to have trouble. But imo Flamini and Boateng are the ideal duo to be backing him up at this point in time. Ambro has had a terrible last couple of months, while Rino is always up and down as of late. Flamini and Boateng provide the ideal energy to play next to Pirlo

I agree han, which is why we need to get rid of Pirlo too. We're too one dimensional with him in our squad. He's quite a unique player and you pretty much have to build a team around him, it makes it awkward to have a Plan B.

I know you guys like Flamini, and he did a solid defensive job tonight...but hey! He connected the game in our counter strikes terribly! Gattuso compared to him is a creator if you look at the match tonight. I really expect more of him, not just destruction.