I miss carlo (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Max may make strange subs, but Carlo was worse. We complained when the likes of KPB and Robinho were bought on.. Carlo wouldn've just gone even more defensive in a damage limitation exercise!

We were clueless out there, kaddus to Madrid.

Blue, your signature is too damn large. C'mon, you know the rules by now.


Women have been known to say that after an evening with Jack.

This post has been edited by MizNelson: Oct 20 2010, 07:13 AM

Do people still think Ronaldinho adds something special to this team?

He's completely finished, IMO. Awful.

Also can't believe Allegri is still starting Rino-Seedorg-Pirlo. That was suicide against Madrid's midfield.

Agreed on Abbiati/Amelia. No reason to bench a so far good preforming goalkeeper (Abbiati). Abbiati either needs to fail himself, or Amelia needs to prove over more matches he really is better when given the chance.

So far both Leonardo and Allegri didn't seem like good choices indeed. Leonardo's first season as coach, big gamble it was anyway. Leonardo did pretty well considered that, but not well enough for Milan let's say. Allegri let me down so far. About Rijkaard: I don't think he good enough to be our coach to be honest.

NOTE: Can a moderator or helper open the Napoli - Milan thread? I cannot, but now people are talking about the match in this thread and I rather want to reply to it in the Napoli - Milan thread. Thank you!

Ah, arrogance. The answer to everything in life! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Really Allegri, that's rich, oh man, very rich. In fact, any more show of arrogance from Milan, and we'd be staring at a much larger scoreline in Real Madrid's favor.


Effort is the magic word. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) To think of it after those two fluke goals, Real did nothing of note. Sure they had a cushion, but deep down inside me I still had hopes for a 3-2 finish. Little did I know that this team has got nothing to do with effort. Out of the midfielders, only Pirlo tried something. Or at least tried to try for something.


Well there's always the middle line: Professionalism. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Any professional coach would do at Milan, someone who is dedicated to his job, and has enough experience in the bag to steer the team to it's maximum potential. I'll be the first to admit, Leo was not that man (his first coaching gig, remember?). From the look of things Allegri is fast becoming the v2 of Leonardo. Most of the time we hope (there's that word again) to get an early lead, and when we do, we hope to keep it. The team lacks the self belief, and frankly I think Allegri is not that good of a motivator as well. Never in these ten or so matches have I seen the team pumped up, the body language just drops when we are losing.

Each successive match should see improvement in a team, here I don't see any. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Maybe he's giving in to player pressure and seniority shtick, maybe he is too afraid to try something new. I also think we missed Ambrosini in both our CL matches.


Quiet possibly, but at least Carlo would have known what he would be doing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) He may have taken negative decisions, but at least he'd have used his brain cells to come to that conclusion. Allegri, for my money is either too overawed managing a 100 million dollar club like Milan, or is too confined in his comfort zone to see what's coming.

It's understandable that a team switches off the engine for a few minutes, different phases of a match. But a completely directionless team, from start to finish that knows not what it's doing is a serious cause for concern.


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Good one, Miz. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Can't doubt that statement even if I tried. The man's too darn drunk for his own good most of the time!


Well he may be able to add something special if he got the the darned ball at his feet. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleepysmiley03.gif) If we are building our attack through R80, then we need to look at quantity, not quality. Pass the ball to him as much as you can, and occasionally he will deliver a killer through ball or two. He is not the guy to go win the ball in the midfield (and that too against a hard hitting team like Real Madrid), and then make the pass to either Pato or Ibra.

For this reason along I think Seedorf was the flop of the match. He did nothing of note, other than to stick with the frigging ball every time he got it, trying to dodge players like he is 25, and slowing down our game. We should either bench them both, or play one at most of either Ronaldinho or Seedorf. In a perfect world, R80 should play the first 60 minutes, and Seedorf the remaining 30. But then again, in a perfect world both would not be playing in Milan, at least in this condition.

PS. Ronaldinho did go in with a hard tackle on CRON that probably prevented a sure-fire goal. That's special enough, LOL!

I agree. the only coach I can think of right now is (as Fillipo mentioned) Rijkaard who we should've brought in after Carlo left. has Milan is his blood and is not, well, clueless. maybe he's a bit soft but I don't think that's a bigger problem than cluelessness!


Depends. a few days before he played a great game against Chievo. last night he was unbelievably woeful. it's the same story for Seedorfs and Gattusos really. they can put in a good show against smaller sides but it's against top team that their liabilities are exposed. we can continue being good enough to finish in CL zone every season with them, but I doubt we can win anything with them anymore.



It seems people on MF can see that better than Max does. I mean, before the game we were all praying the midfield wouldn't be this...

Who bets we will start the Napoli game with the exact same midfield (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)

1. Chelsea.
2. Chelsea has two monster finishers.
3. Agreed. Not since 2005.
4. Chelsea. Please refer to recent player interviews about Carlo.
5. Agreed.
6. I think 3rd or 4th. And knock out in this stage or the next.
7. Duh!

8. Hey man! I'm pretty good. How is you?



Rijkaard just gpt fired by Galatasaray for Pete's sake. I'd rather take MvB. At least we'll have players put in their place even if results suck major butt.

Unless of course we're going to hire Rijkaard AND Ten Cate.



You make me wear a chastity belt...you make me wear a T-shirt which says, 'I belong to Miz' and then you say this??

Of course they're gonna be disappointed. But now that we're seperated those things are in the past! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I don't think Rijkaard getting fired by Galatasaray means much tbh... but I agree about MvB. everyone keeps saying how bad a coach he is. but I think his charisma, his discipline and his will to work with young players could turn out for good in a club like Milan.

Besides, we're not in a position to say no to these guys. I can't see any world class coach wanting to coach Milan (do you?), despite our stars. our squad is far from complete. we should start building a future with coaches such as Rijkaard or MvB then turn to better options when time is right. to think that we can get anyone better than these two at this moment is nothing but wishful thinking.

This post has been edited by Zed.D: Oct 20 2010, 11:11 AM

He's been there two years and he's been pretty bad. I don't think the club is as bad as you think..it's one of Turkey's top clubs. He's also never been the most tactically aware coach out there either. Plus if he comes in there'll be all those old problems with R80.

MvB's pedigree as a Milanista and as a player cannot be questioned. Tactically he's suspect too.

Not necessarily. We could play Robinho on left and Boateng on the right. Robinho will be the third striker who tracks back and Boateng the box-to-box midfielder whom attacks when we're playing the ball. So, basically, more like a 4-2-2-2 line-up.

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I'd really love to see that happen.

In Allegri's world that will be a 4-3-3.

Imo all of our problems last night centered around the midfield 3, before the match I said that playing Rino and Seedorf instead of Flamini and Boateng will get our midfield overrun, and that is what happened. We just couldn't keep up. The only times I saw Dinho or Pato was when they were in the center circle, and Zlatan was invisible. Imo that is because of the midfield which couldn't get the ball past the halfway line.

I'm 100% sure that had we started with those 2 instead of Seedorf and Rino the result would be totally different. The only reason we got a couple of chances was because Real weren't really bothering to play and let us have the ball.

Imo non of the players are at fault (not even Seedorf), Allegri is the one who chose the tired, slow players to start against a fast team like Rea, it's not their faults they couldn't keep up. Allegri decided to play a CL game against Real as he would play a Serie A game, where we easily boss posession even with our slow midfield. He payed for it dearly, and from his comments I still don't believe that he's learnt his lesson.

Seedorf will still be playing every match and we'l still see Flamini and Boateng on the bench. The players who actually deserve to be on the pitch for more then just their seniority and status at the club.

Had we played well and still lost because of those 2 stupid goals, I wouldn't be p!ssed as I currently am, but the fact that we played the way we did p!sses me more off then the loss

You're right han, judging from his comments it feels like he thinks it was just a bad night, when in fact things could have turned out differently had he played the right formation. We can field the same guys that played last night in most of the Serie A games, but you can't expect to outperform teams like Real Madrid and Ajax with Pirlo-Gattuso-Seedorf-Ronaldinho. We need speed, agility and pace against these teams, and the players that can provide such characteristics are sadly benched every time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

What a joke this Allegri fella is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)