What lies?

I don't buy this. If it was the club's fault, he'd have gone to Man City, but it was the player who rejected their offer.

But he did accept Real Madrid's. Interesting that isn't it.

I may be being betrayed by tense, but I mean the lies I believe he told before he left, which I believed, before he then left and I resented what he'd said:

'I intend to stay here for life, be captain, be an idol' etc.

That's what he said after City offered their deal.

If what he said had been true, he'd have rejected Madrid as well. The club accepted City's offer, but Kaka rejected. But he happily accepted Madrid's. So much for his ambitions with Milan.

But why should I be surprised, most footballers are full of sh!t. He's by no means the first, and he won't be the last.

I statement of intention is not necessarily a statement of promise.

You sure have a nice way of showing that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)


And you say that I make assumptions (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) You're only basing that on what you personally believed happened.


I immediately said that hate was a strong word. However that does not mean I like either of them, mostly due to their antics in the past


Exactly.

Milan made it clear that they wanted to sell Kaka. Would you stay where you're not wanted? Kaka was one of the top players around, why should he stay in that situation when an other club was making such efforts to sign him?

Milan wanted to sell him to City, Kaka rejected because he was not going to lower himself to that, no matter what money they offered. Real came calling in the summer, Milan again accepted again, Kaka got the message loud and clear and since this time it was a club that he deemed fit for himself accepted as well since Milan made it pretty clear that they needed to sell him.

Kaka' was a Real Madrid player since February. One week after the ManCity proposal, Perez contacted Galliani to seal the deal.

Doesn't really matter when it happened after the Man City fiasco. Real wanted him, Milan needed the money, Kaka was more then willing to go to Real if Milan agreed to it. At the end of the day all parties won out, accept for Real on hindsight since Kaka is more injured then not.

Kaka always said hat he was happy to stay at Milan as long as the club wanted him and as their objectives remained the same, clearly that was not the case, Kaka left only when the opportunity presented itself, had it not, he would never have tried to push his way out, ala Sheva

Kaka' always said that until the club's and his intentions matched, he wouldn't leave. The club's intentions changed, so he was sold. In the end, he wasn't really lying. I still think he could have easily refused to go to Madrid, but then like han said, why stay when you're club doesn't want you? Isn't that why we've been bashing Kaladze, Jankulovski and Oddo all this time?

Lies are on purpose. I believe he really had those intensions, but if your club rather wants you to be sold and convince you that it's for the best, then you can debate about that a lot, but to say he is full of kaka, is just not seeing the difference between true lies and things that work out differently than expected.

If your club wants you sold, you're going to Manchester whether you want to or not.

And yet the player himself said no...

Says it all for me.

Wtf? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Why should he go to a club he doesn't want to play for?

What exactly says it for you?

Kaka' did nothing wrong. He didn't want to leave, but the club pressured him into doing so. Why should he go somewhere he doesn't want to go? He wanted to do what was best for the club - the money from selling him - but you can't expect him to just go anywhere. What if some team in Qatar bid for him, would you expect him to have to go there too? Kaka' did what was best for Milan, but obviously had some of his own interests to look after too, and there's nothing wrong with that.

edit: never mind.

This post has been edited by MizNelson: Sep 14 2010, 12:26 AM

The fact he left at all. He said he wasn't going to, that the reason he wasn't going to Manchester wasn't because he didn't want to go to Manchester, but because he DID want to stay and become an idol for us. Then Real come calling and that's all forgotten.

Don't know why some folk can't grasp this.

I get the feeling this thread has been taken viciously off topic, I barely remember what we were meant to be discussing here.