Carlo Ancelotti is one of the top three to have coached Milan in my lifetime ! Allegri has yet to win any of us over (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

When I say no one, I'm talking about the ones who were so quick to judge Allegri yet came to Carlo's defense no matter to what we were treated that current week, be it a drubbing against his favourite side Palermo, a last minute winner for Atalanta, playing 10 games straight without scoring a single goal, or only managing meager 1-1 draws, etc, etc.

Carlo messed up big time during his last few seasons at Milan, he turned into the almost man he was at Juve, going for the defensive option being happy with a draw as long as it's not a defeat. And I'm not even going to go into the 2 episodes I mentioned above, which imo are the 2 biggest mistakes in his carreer, without a shadow of a doubt.

My instinct tells me that Allegri will find his feet at Milan and estalish himself as a great coach. What I saw on matchday 1 imo is more signifacant then what we saw yesterday. Against Lecce he had the team he'd been preparing with all through summer, then suddenly international break and everything is turned on him. Even if it just 2 players, its 2 big players that bring in massive expectaions, as well as egos and change the way we play completely, especially Ibra.

It will take time, but I'm more comfortable with him as coach then I was with Carlo during his last years and certainly more comfortable then I was with Leo as coach


You're making my brain bleed!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I still stand by my point! He was a major underachiever for the calibre of the squad he had at his disposal

And he might be the rhird best coach to have coached Milan during our time, but it goes like this:

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You are treading on thin ice my friend .. The polar bears are not far from where you are ... While I am sure the Piranha is rather hungry these days (IMG:style_emoticons/default/96.gif)

What? How can you rate Carlo so low? You know, Capello himself messed up a few seasons as well, even worse then Ancelotti ever did. And where the hell is Zaccheroni? He won us the miraculous scudetto.

Bring it on!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/96.gif)


Tabarez was a joke to rile people up. What that very nice digram shows is that yes Carlo came in third but he's a big step down from the other 2.

Zaccheroni, comes in somewhere under Carlo, like I said, Tabarez was a joke, hence the (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) next to him

Capello made mistakes on his second appointment as Milan coach, that team under him during his first spell, even if it wasn't as great as that of Sacchi's was just amazing, deadly efficient. Plus he gave us the most beautiful CL win in Milan's history

Carlo for me just doesn't hold a candle to the other 2, yes the CLs put a shine to him, but I don't buy into it. He made a lot of mistakes, too many mistakes to ever redeem himself in my eyes

I see your point han, you are only counting the trophies we won under Carlo. But try to be a little more thorough and you'll see: 3 Champions League finals, 1 semi-final and 1 quarter-final in 5 years. That is a massive achievement for a coach. Surely, in Italy he wasn't as successful as we'd all had wished, but Carlo brought us back to the top of Europe after a long period of abstinence. Not to mention all the spectacular football we played back then. That doesn't mean I rate him higher than Sacchi and Capello, but the guy sits just next to them.

With the 3 CL finals I see Istanbul as well with them. Same thing with the Deportive thing. Carlo was a KO genius in the CL I don't deny that, I'm also the first to tell you that between 03 and 05/06 we played some of the best football in Europe. But some of his mistakes to me are just way to big to look past. The league disappointment to me is another thing that I cannot get over not when he had the team he did

1-1 Ht,Napoli vs Bari.Cavani has impressed.He scored the goal,and in addition to his work up front.He was able to help the midfeild.

Elaborate more on the team he had between 02 and 06, the team that finished 2nd on more than one occasion with a Juve team that was of the highest caliber. You take the 2nd place finish along with the fact that Milan was flying the italian flag alone at the most elite brand of European football. Hence, I see no wrong done by Carlo until then.

07 till 09, he was with a drained out squad with not much depth into it. I didnt see Leo doing any better. And the creme de la creme was the issue of Serie A being robbed from Italian football since 2006

I am not decorating Carlo, he is already decorated and is continuing his career as a grand coach in England.

If you find his flaws to be greater than the Champions League badge, on the side of the shirt, jumping from 5 to 7 in the span of four years, bar the final in between (which could have made it an 8). That is injustice in itself han.

Juve's team was great but Milan had an edge over it. Imo Carlo could have done more. During those times, we had an all Italian final, 3 teams in the semi finals, Inter and Juve both going long way in the CL as well. It wasn't as bad as you make it seem. Milan flew the flag in Europe from 05 to 07, seasons before that the other top teams in Italy were competitive

So what you're saying is that Carlo is ok as long as he has a top quality team, but when some of that quality is lost he cannot compensate for it. We'll see how he does at Chelsea when his squad isn't as good as it currently is, a squad that imo is one of the top 5 in Europe.

I never said Carlo is sh!t or anything along those lines, but imo he could have done a lot more at Milan, he could have built a leagcy that surpassed the other 2 coaches mentioned, but made mistakes that prevented that.

Also talking about Leo, he inherited an even weaker squad off Carlo and managed a better finish then Carlo, that imo says a lot

Juve played with only 3 Non-italians that game against sampdoria. That is impressive !

This is basically my opinion of him.

I'm not going to say he's a bad coach, because a bad coach will still fail with a great team and Carlo didn't fail. I just don't think he won enough, 2 CLs and 1 league title in a decade in charge of Italys big 2, it's not all that impressive.

You keep bringing up does mistakes, while I honestly mean Istambul was pure luck.

On the other hand, we keep mentioning Capello and Sacchi, but can we compare those two time periods? Honestly? Champions Cup and Champions League makes a hell of a difference. In Capello/Sacchi days Milan had usually a easy start with teams like Ljubljana or HJK from Finland to deal, while tuff opposition occured only in quater finals and the semis. It was way easier to get to the final, then in the complicated Champions League system, espcially in the pre-Platini era with two group stages.


IMO it says very little and masks the reality. It's like saying - Capello managed to finish 11th with Milan, while the next season Tabarez and Morini did better end the next one Zaccheroni got us the scudetto - does it say a lot?

Honestly, can't we agree that Leonardo was a rookie coach who marked one of Milan's biggest defeats against Inter in history? Can someone like the guy or rate him after such a debacle?

han, Carlo is not an ok coach .. Name one coach post Sacchi & Capello's first stints, that hauled in 8 trophies at their time with Milan.

la merda and Juve don't come close to Milan's record in that competition when Carlo was coach. Agree Juve had a remarkable squad, while la merda had a great XI, but neither of them showed what Milan under Carlo showed in that competition.

Leo had as much chance of winning the Scudetto as Roma did twice post 2006; zero chance.

8 trophies in 8 years, but only 3 major trophies. The World Club Cup, European Super Cup and Italian Super Cup are glorified friendlies. I see Jose get alot of criticism on the board and if I were to claim he'd won 17 trophies in the past 8 years(which also includes an 8 month period where he wasn't managing), some on here would go on about how some 'dont count' or whatever.

If 8 in 8 years is great, then 17 in 8 years is, well, Special.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Sep 13 2010, 12:40 AM