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han2503
post Mar 26 2010, 09:07 AM
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Well danny you talk about changing personnel when Plan A isn't working but what personnel are we talking about here, bringing in Rino for Ambro or Pippo/Hunter for one of the mids? Those are the only options Leo has on the bench, he just doesn't have anything to work with on the bench, it's no like Barca or Inter or Man U, they have top class options on the bench that can come off the bench and change up the fomation and shape of the team. We just don't have that, would Pippo or Hunter or Mancini really make that much of a difference in the way we play no matter what formation we play? Not really.

The team is down to the bones, even the backups for the backups are getting injured FFS!!! This shold have been thought out in the summer, we don't have a good squad, a couple of injuries to the first 11 and we're in a mess.

Fact is Leo can't do anything about this. No matter what formation ad tactics he thinks up we're still going to labour to win matches. This is when we're really starting to feel the loss of Kaka and Paolo.

And @ the people wo say that Leo ha no plan B, then please enlighten me on how Carlo had a plan B???

The only solution to us not being able to score under Carlo was putting in another DM to salvage the draw. Carlo's only system was the xmas tree, whether it worked or not, you could count on him to start it week in week out. Rino, Pirlo and Ambro in midfield, Kaka and Seedorf behind Pippo. Pato would stay on the benchwhen Pippo was available and come on in the last few minutes if we're losing, yeah great plan B there (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Mar 26 2010, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 26 2010, 08:07 AM) *
Well danny you talk about changing personnel when Plan A isn't working but what personnel are we talking about here, bringing in Rino for Ambro or Pippo/Hunter for one of the mids? Those are the only options Leo has on the bench, he just doesn't have anything to work with on the bench, it's no like Barca or Inter or Man U, they have top class options on the bench that can come off the bench and change up the fomation and shape of the team. We just don't have that, would Pippo or Hunter or Mancini really make that much of a difference in the way we play no matter what formation we play? Not really.

The team is down to the bones, even the backups for the backups are getting injured FFS!!! This shold have been thought out in the summer, we don't have a good squad, a couple of injuries to the first 11 and we're in a mess.

Fact is Leo can't do anything about this. No matter what formation ad tactics he thinks up we're still going to labour to win matches. This is when we're really starting to feel the loss of Kaka and Paolo.

And @ the people wo say that Leo ha no plan B, then please enlighten me on how Carlo had a plan B???


He didn't have one either! Why do you think we ended up in such a mess?

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The only solution to us not being able to score under Carlo was putting in another DM to salvage the draw. Carlo's only system was the xmas tree, whether it worked or not, you could count on him to start it week in week out. Rino, Pirlo and Ambro in midfield, Kaka and Seedorf behind Pippo. Pato would stay on the benchwhen Pippo was available and come on in the last few minutes if we're losing, yeah great plan B there (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


Hope you're not attacking me for a view I don't actually have (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Mar 26 2010, 03:19 PM
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Time NOT TO try something new (or old) Leo. There was no reason Seedorf should start.
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post Mar 26 2010, 03:22 PM
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He has been invisible the past couple of matches. Though there were two great opportunities he served up.

What's weird is how our forwards sometimes look surprised when the ball does finally reach them. As if they're totally not expecting it. And then they gaffe their lines. There's a complete lack of chemistry up front.
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post Mar 26 2010, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Mar 25 2010, 03:15 PM) *
mancini got hurt in training today.

And about three people are concerned.
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post Mar 26 2010, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Mar 26 2010, 01:35 PM) *
He didn't have one either! Why do you think we ended up in such a mess?

Hope you're not attacking me for a view I don't actually have (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Agreed, but most people make Carlo out to be a gift bestowed upon football by God, when really, the moment the team wasn't World Class throughout he faultered big time.

No not attacking you at all. It's another general reply to those who thought Carlo was so much better. When Leo acually tries to go for it, while Carlo was comfortable settling for the draw instead of risking a loss. I'm just so over the entire 'Leo doesn't have a plan B' thing, since the guy that coached us before wasn't any better at it either but no one really complained
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post Mar 27 2010, 03:43 AM
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The fall of Carlo began with the dependence on Kaka. Hopefully SAF will not walk that path himself.
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post Mar 27 2010, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 26 2010, 08:35 PM) *
Agreed, but most people make Carlo out to be a gift bestowed upon football by God, when really, the moment the team wasn't World Class throughout he faultered big time.

No not attacking you at all. It's another general reply to those who thought Carlo was so much better. When Leo acually tries to go for it, while Carlo was comfortable settling for the draw instead of risking a loss. I'm just so over the entire 'Leo doesn't have a plan B' thing, since the guy that coached us before wasn't any better at it either but no one really complained


Not sure that I'd agree no one complained - Carlo only had 2 systems - the diamond and the xmas tree, but never had a plan B when the formation in a game didn't work. He just made stupid substitutions instead.

I'm not one of those who thought he was 'all that'. Yeah, we won a couple of CLs which is the pinnacle of European football, and a scudetto, but when the chips were down he'd stand on the touchline looking clueless.
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post Mar 28 2010, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Mar 27 2010, 12:22 PM) *
Not sure that I'd agree no one complained - Carlo only had 2 systems - the diamond and the xmas tree, but never had a plan B when the formation in a game didn't work. He just made stupid substitutions instead.

I'm not one of those who thought he was 'all that'. Yeah, we won a couple of CLs which is the pinnacle of European football, and a scudetto, but when the chips were down he'd stand on the touchline looking clueless.

Agreed.

Also 'the no one complained' part is about the people wo are compaining now, that it's Leo on the bench not Carlo.
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post Mar 28 2010, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 28 2010, 12:49 PM) *
Agreed.

Also 'the no one complained' part is about the people wo are compaining now, that it's Leo on the bench not Carlo.



..to settle the argument, why don't we have a poll?>Do you think Leo is better than Carlo? measurements: choice of formation, pitch coverage, speed, playing ball to feet, entertainment, defence, adaptability, squad rotation..
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post Mar 28 2010, 04:32 PM
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It's not really about if he's better then Carlo. Leo is still so new to the coaching game. It's about the fact that Carlo's faults were overlooked, but Leo can't make a mistake
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post Mar 28 2010, 04:41 PM
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So, we shouldn't criticize Leo at all when he does make mistakes?
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post Mar 28 2010, 06:24 PM
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Criticizing is one thing. Saying he should be removed coz of a few mistakes in his debut year with a sub par team is another.
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Well I know that Formation is very important but for me , more important are training sessinos and I think that Leo most of errors is making in Milanello not in pitch with formation.

I saw some taining sessinons some weeks ago and I was really upset with what I saw. All players just took a ball and walked with it , I don't even saw them runing for 20 or 30 minutes. And I think this is the main problem Leo has.All the players got injured in muscles since they dont have a good training rules or what ever.We can not fight with Inter cos' they pracitise much more than our players and they are far more powerfull then ours.

It's interesing to see the "slow" game of the team in the last quater of the game, this is very bad.
The 4-3-3 or 4-2-fantasia formation is burning the players and if they don't get used with it in the training too, there are going to be more injured players.

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AH-HA!!! I knew the training session was behind the injuries!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif) I'll let you guys decide in what order you wish to kneel down and pay obeisance to me.

Leo said as much in the pre-match interview. That the 4-2 fantasia depends on the players being in top physical shape and that without it, the ball movement is very slow. He also said, the injuries had hit hard, and now he needs to find a solution. I like how he always makes it sound like he's leaving it up to the team to sort things out for themselves.

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We must be good to think about ourselves, the team is ready to react, there's the will to react to the difficulties and this is felt inside the dressing room.


Oh and this from his press conference on the official site:

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"This year we have played in many ways, at first we were finding it tough in front of goal, in the famous 4-2-fantasy we proposed a way of playing which gave us in about 18 games very good results. This setup can be used if all the players are in good condition. In January against Genoa, Juve and Siena we scored many goals from set-pieces. There have been other periods where we found it difficult to score. This depends from the problems tied to the injuries, our move has slowed down and we have become less effective. Today we have three players in attack who are fine, we'll see the choice depending on the way we play. Our approach to the games? Changing players makes us find new balances, this situation at times must be improved. The worry of finding a balance betwen defence and attack often makes us become less sterile. This situation must surely be improved."


Didn't understand the bolded part...his conferences are a little less structured than Carlo, but he seems to know what he's talking about...
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