i don't think anyone can hold kjh responsible for our woes, he's just unfortunate to be in a really crappy unproductive team, hope u gets that much needed 1st goal soonest

Agreed

You know what's intriguing about Huntelaar? How poor he's been since leaving Ajax.

I illustrated his career since he departed Holland, and it's frankly abysmal - something which no one addressed when I pointed it out. And yet everyone's saying 'give him time'.

How much time does this club have to give players who can't perform?

We don't have that luxury guys.

We need to do whatever it is that is possible to get this guy to score. Our season hinges on R80 and KJH.

It really doesn't friend. Far too many problems for just their form to improve to solve.

This season..I mean reaching fourth. If those two click, we do have a chance. Of course it doesn't mark the end of our problems. But at least we won't have a repeat of 1996/97.

Trust me, thinking about anything higher than fourth was the furthest thing from my mind. I was meaning regarding fourth place.

To achieve even that requires surgery more drastic than those two gaining form.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Man you are biased against Huntelaar as much as most of us are against Ronaldinho! Surely what he did in Madrid was anything but poor and abysmal!

And how long exactly is his career after leaving Ajax? 20 games? In two different clubs? The one playing like ****? Zidane took as much time to get accustomed to the game in Spain... I guess he was poor too!

We get it you wanted Fabiano and you have every right to want whoever you want but this is UNFAIR.

TBH..I'd rather have Pippo than KJH. The sad part is we need KJH in form, but we're so up against it, we don't have the luxury of playing him in. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

It was mediocre. Look at his record as I've illustrated in that other post for your perusal. I bet you are one of those who looked at Wikipedia and saw 8 in 21 and thought 'wow, almost 1 every other game'. I know, because I initially was too. But if you look at it much closer, he had very, very few starts, took a month to get a goal, and then stopped scoring entirely 2 months before the season finished. At club and country level.



It's only unfair if there wasn't a rational basis for it. He's doing nothing so far in Serie A, despite the fact I really wanted him to. When we signed him, check my posts around here - they were positive and praising. I was pleased with a Pato KJH partnership. Very pleased. But it's not working out, and closer scrutiny of his RM days shows why.

I cross my fingers for a return of his Ajax days, but I'm not holding my breath.

The difference between my scepticism of KJH and you lots' cynicism of Dinho is that I want KJH to prove me wrong, to start scoring and be successful for us. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind the majority of those who dislike Ronaldinho actually don't really want him to play well at all - they want to simply continue hating him and want a reason to do so.

Personally, I felt Dinho's display against Bari was beyond appalling, and I don't think he can get back to anything like his best, but at least I can see that.

Too many are naive about Hunter.

You seem quite sensible and realistic about the whole thing. I wanted KJH to hit the heights, and hell, maybe he still will, but in the perilous form we're currently in, we don't have time to 'hope' he starts playing well.

Pippo should be our first choice striker along with Pato for now, because we need goals, whether we play well or not. Points will get us out the mire, not experimentation.

No, the difference is Ronaldinho has been mediocre for 3 years now while Huntelaar has been average (I'll say mediocre if you want me to, it does not change anything though it surely is not true) for 6 months while changing teams twice in two different leagues...

9 months. Not 6.

And the issue of time that form has been poor is almost irrelevant in context of my argument which is that the dislike of Dinho is such that I believe many fans secretly don't want him to play well. Whereas we all definitely want KHJ to manage it.

Dinho attracts a high level of hate. And anyone who gives him any support seems to incur the wrath of his detractors.

Who currently are right to not rate him, because his form is so poor. But it's become rather personal with him I feel.

^^

I think part of it is his own performances and part of it was that we sold Kaka so that this guy could play...and 'lead' the team. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I must have missed the summer football season!

It has nothing to do with it but it's The Difference... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

For the record, I'm not one of those who want him to do bad but I never ever liked him.