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Sep 26 2009, 08:48 PM
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QUOTE (Maestro10 @ Sep 26 2009, 03:15 AM)  All strikers score, there is not a sane person that would argue would the goal count or not. The important thing is that the striker delivers. But then there is the issue of is he the right player? Gilardino was not the right player for us, IMO Huntelaar isn't either. we need someone like Dzeko, strong and forceful (Drogba would have been ideal), who can bulldoze his way through defenses. Players like Gilardino or Huntelaar, come with hype and when they do not do a Marco Van Basten they get hung the next day, when in reality they are average at best. kjh is a quality striker, i agree he might not be the ideal guy for our team, what we need is a player who is so damn confident& inspires others too like drogba, i feel for him as i watch him struggle to gain more confidence in the milan shirt, hope he ends his goal drought soonest...
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Sep 26 2009, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 25 2009, 10:13 PM)  When Huntelaar does score, I will make sure to analyse it to see if it's a goal that 'counts'. I remember all of the ridiculous Gila criticism, depsite scoring 17 goals in his first season was stupid because people felt they weren't 'important' (despite the fact I proved otherwise. Huntelaar won't be any better than Gila, in my opinion. 1. More than 50% of Gila's goals came when we practically had won the game IIRC. how did you prove otherwise (IMG: style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) 2. Gila came for E24m. Huntelaar came for E15m. 3. Gila came when we had a much, much better team. Sheva, Pirlo, Rino, Kaka, Nesta, etc. they were all better players back then and that without a doubt helps a striker. now we truly suck balls. My conclusion: you cannot compare these two players in any way.
This post has been edited by Zed.D: Sep 26 2009, 09:09 PM
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Sep 26 2009, 09:51 PM
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I still don't understand why so many are getting on KjH's back. Its not like he's been given a lot of chances and when he has been on the pitch the team has sucked so bad that they even managed to make Pato look average, when in reality he was struggling back in midfield trying to get a touch on the ball, something that we cannot expect a striker like Huntelaar to do.
The problem is the midfield, and until Leo gets his head out of his @ss and drops this ridiculous, stupid, cowardly system the strikers will continue to under perform, simple as that.
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Sep 26 2009, 11:38 PM
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ohh and what does Arrigo Sacchi suggest? This team will not win anything, so chillax, the best we can hope for is a Europa League birth, nothing more nothing less. And the sooner those ***** up there sell up the better, I don't care if it's to an Arab or American just get us people willing to take make us contenders again ! I'm sick of this ******!
This post has been edited by Fillipo Simone: Sep 27 2009, 02:02 PM
Reason for edit: Bad words!
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Sep 27 2009, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Sep 26 2009, 09:07 PM)  1. More than 50% of Gila's goals came when we practically had won the game IIRC. how did you prove otherwise (IMG: style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I did a list of goals Gila scored, the scoreline when he scored them, etc. I believe you even agreed with me. I'll try and find it. The price tag is irrelevant, of course Gila was going to be more as he was hot property in Italy at the time, while Huntelaar was a reject. EDIT: Found the post. QUOTE Here are Gila's goals from the 05/06 season, the final score and at what point in the game Gila's goals came. I'll highlight the goals that I think can be considered somewhat 'important'. What I consider to make a goal important, and it's reason: -If your team wins by 1 or 2 the goal is important no matter when it is scored. Even if you win by 2-0, the 2nd goal is still very important as it kills the game, while 1-0 is still a very cautious scoreline late on in a game. Scoring the 3rd in a 3-0 win, however, isn't what I would consider important.
-Scoring in a defeat when you are losing by 2 or less. If you're losing by 1 it's important as your goal brings the game level, if you're losing by 2 you bring your team back into the game, so it's important at the time. Losing by 3 I don't think it's so important, you're still a way off.
-Scoring in a game that ends in a draw. Pretty obvious it's important, you've helped your team to a point.
@ Sampdoria - Lost 2-1 - Gila's goal made it 1-0 @ Treviso - Won 2-0 - Gila's goal made it 2-0 @ Cagliari - Won 2-0 - Gila's goal made it 1-0 @ Empoli - Won 3-1 - Gila's goal made it 1-1 @ Empoli - Won 3-1 - Gila's goal made it 2-1 vs Udinese - Won 5-1 - Gila's goal made it 1-0 vs Udinese - Won 5-1 - Gila's goal made it 4-0 @ Fiorentina - Lost 3-1 - Gila's goal made it 1-1 vs Messina - Won 4-0 - Gila's goal made it 4-0 @ Livorno - Won 3-0 - Gila's goal made it 1-0 @ Livorno - Won 3-0 - Gila's goal made it 2-0 vs Parma - Won 4-3 - Gila's goal made it 2-1 vs Treviso - Won 5-0 - Gila's goal made it 3-0 @ Reggina - Won 4-1 - Gila's goal made it 2-1 vs Cagliari - Won 1-0 - Gila's goal made it 1-0 @ Udinese - Won 4-0 - Gila's goal made it 2-0 @ Messina - Won 3-1 - Gila's goal made it 3-1
So in my opinion 14 of his 17 league goals could be considered 'important'. One thing people need to remember is AT THE TIME OF SCORING. Some people will probably argue the case that scoring in a 5-0 win - even if it's the 1st goal - isn't important, but it is. How is Gila meant to know his team is going to score another 4? So I base my stats at the time of scoring, obviously the outcome has a little bearing, like if the team was to win 4-3 and he scored to make it 4-0, it's still an important goal as it's essentially a game winner.
So 14 of 17 were important in my view, I think this somewhat dispells the myth that his goals are to just push up the scoreline. Gila goals were 'unimportant'.. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Anybody notice all the victories listen in the games where he scored, too. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Sep 27 2009, 01:29 PM
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Sep 27 2009, 02:04 PM
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IMO any goal scored for his team is important and thinking a strikers ratio or praise should be played down just because he scored for 3-1 or 4-1 is not fair.
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Sep 27 2009, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 27 2009, 03:51 PM)  I did a list of goals Gila scored, the scoreline when he scored them, etc. I believe you even agreed with me. I'll try and find it. The price tag is irrelevant, of course Gila was going to be more as he was hot property in Italy at the time, while Huntelaar was a reject. EDIT: Found the post. Gila goals were 'unimportant'.. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Anybody notice all the victories listen in the games where he scored, too. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) This is his first season record and it can't be argued with. but what about the other 2 seasons? (IMG: style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Also what about his 0 goals in his first season in the CL? in the course of 3 seasons he managed only 4 CL goals. what about that? I think Milan-Gila simply wasn't supposed to work. just like Sheva-Chelsea.
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Sep 27 2009, 07:48 PM
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a goal is a goal! it doesn't matter what colour u paint it or what weight u attach to it, this afternoon i saw the highlights to the late SIR Bobby Robson's first game in charge of newcastle in 99, prior to the game they had been on a poor losing run and they went on to win8-0, would anyone really say the following 7goals were un-important? shearer also had a hat-trick after a firing blanks for several games, this helped the team morale, (like it or not, every goal gila scored was important) yes, he had poor fortunes in the ECL, wait a minute- rooney also had a terrible ECL drought, at a point he also lacked international goals for several months, now he's scoring goals like there's no tomorrow. lets give gila some crdt, pato was our only player to outscore him last year.
i'd like to see KJH get his first tonight& get the monkey off his back.
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Sep 27 2009, 08:00 PM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Sep 27 2009, 03:04 PM)  Really? I remember some saying most of Pato's 18 goals last season were unimportant because we couldn't get all the points from those games... Have I stated something like that?
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Sep 27 2009, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Sep 27 2009, 03:03 PM)  This is his first season record and it can't be argued with. but what about the other 2 seasons? (IMG: style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Also what about his 0 goals in his first season in the CL? in the course of 3 seasons he managed only 4 CL goals. what about that? I think Milan-Gila simply wasn't supposed to work. just like Sheva-Chelsea. I'm guessing the other seasons would be similar, I remember a few goals he scored in 1-0 wins, then he scored past Inter in the 4-3 defeat, I'd say at least 75% of his goals are 'important'. I don't think the CL thing is that important. League comes first in terms of goals, always. Champions League games are just one off games randomly placed around the calender and there's no real consistancy you can get going. Sheva - Chelsea is another mytg really. He scored 17 goals in his first season and was labelled crap. Then he was given no chances after that because for some reason people thought he was crap. :lol Yawn. Personally I feel every goal is important. Even if you win 7-0, the 7th is still important, it can give a player confidence, helps the team GD, etc.
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Sep 27 2009, 09:44 PM
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Gila was the new guy and took all the blame for our sad fall... he simply was at the wrong club at the wrong time.
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Sep 28 2009, 06:45 AM
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I'm with Blue on this
I was an avid supporter of Gila, I still like him, and I had many discussions over him with Max mostly, but Gila was in a great team, atleast in his first season, a team that rivaled Barca in goals scored, over 80 Serie A goals that year IIRC. Also Gila had Carlo's support something that Huntelaar seemingly doesn't have because Leo unlike Carlo in really in a hot seat were as Carlo was always comfortable in his position.
Huntelaar has been getting absolutely no service in any of the games, its not like he's been missing point blank chances in all of the matches, add that to the fact that he's still adapting to the way the team plays and you'll get what we have. We've even managed to make Pato look mediocre unless he's trying to do something all on his own from the middle of the pitch Pato is invisable as well throughout the entire match
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